Usenet busted (Read mod notes: posts #2 & #12)

Khannie

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I tried to switch to usenet a while ago but it wasn't worth the hassle. I stuck with <most famous torrent site - Hint: Think eye patches>.
If I'm caught, I'm caught. The prospect of that isn't going to change my behaviour.

It should. Ireland is a soft target IMO. People roll over here at the drop of a hat and they will hang someone out to dry to set an example IMO. Once paid for services like netflix are up to scratch I would encourage everyone to use them.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Just like torrents, private indexing servers are the way to go. You can easily run your own, it's just that being a database running myphp and mysql, it's a little heavy to run and would need a dedicated server.

This is clearly the way people are going to go. I expect to see newsnab becoming the norm very soon. Lightweight versions. Access to shared databases (use your own frontend) for a fee. That kind of thing. Essentially a distribution to overcome the problem of centralised servers (i.e. nzbmatrix) going down.

PogMoThoin

Khannie wrote: »

This is clearly the way people are going to go. I expect to see newsnab becoming the norm very soon. Lightweight versions. Access to shared databases (use your own frontend) for a fee. That kind of thing. Essentially a distribution to overcome the problem of centralised servers (i.e. nzbmatrix) going down.

This is just Usenet going to a new level. There are guides, it's pretty simple to setup, but running on anything other a dedicated server in a datacentre is madness. I've been looking into it but from what I've read 1200days needs a good few TB of storage, indexing takes about a week needs considerable bandwidth to keep the index up to date.

I got myself setup on a nice private site that's now closed to new registrations (i've already given away my only invite), it's early days, it's still indexing but it is working fine, for now. I'd much prefer if we could get a group together and run our own.

Khannie

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I'd much prefer if we could get a group together and run our own.

If you're talking about one from people on here - Just to be up front here: Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any venture like that.

Discussion surrounding technology and what not is perfectly fine of course.

the_syco

Tails142 wrote: »

the next thing to spring up will be personal usenet indexing services that you run on your own PC surely?

Indexing is easy to do, but indexing and commenting on the file that is indexed is what NZBmatrix allowed. This allowed users to not get the wrong or bogus files.

I think NZBmatrix went down as they found that DMCA takedowns were coming in faster than the automatic process could upload them, and so files were taken down as soon as they were indexed and so they didn't see the point in having a site that indexed non-existent files.

Khannie

Just so we're clear here:

Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any private indexing venture. Thanks for your understanding.

sink

Khannie wrote: »

Just so we're clear here:

Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any private indexing venture. Thanks for your understanding.

Sorry, that was stupid of me.

Khannie

No worries. PM sent. :pac:

Snake Plisken

also a disaster the nzbmatrixxx porn indexing site is gone too! Double blow

Khannie

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Double blow

Pun-tastic!

mikom

Snake Plisken wrote: »

also a disaster the nzbmatrixxx porn indexing site is gone too! Double blow

Suck it up.

kaimera

well ****.

may as well cancel my astraweb.

didnt use newzbin too much recently anyway

shame.

Whatever about NZB indexers shutting down. The actual binaries are being targeted with DMCA takedowns at super rate.

Usenet got way to popular, this is who is behind the recent events.

http://www.morganelligroup.com/

:: September 2012 ::
We are now proud to announce we have turned our technology on to monitor both Google and Bing with the same expertise that we have conquered Usenet with. We have sent out over 1 million DMCA notices as of today.

https://twitter.com/Morganelli

His ego is blowing up at the moment.

PogMoThoin

Yeah, Nzbmatrix was a public list of all the content, private indexers is the way it is going, with no Google bots. All behind closed doors

Khannie

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Yeah, Nzbmatrix was a public list of all the content, private indexers is the way it is going, with no Google bots. All behind closed doors

Ask cisk says - that may be of limited value if the takedowns are automated (which Astraweb have confirmed they are). Really it would be a simple task for a takedown company - monitor usenet headers, match show on your protected list, issue automated takedown. It wouldn't even be hard to fully automate.

Tea_Bag

how safe is private indexing?

kippy

vibe666 wrote: »

things get shut down, internet savvy users find a way of doing the same thing differently, then more and more people catch on and eventually so does the industry and the cogs turn to get that shut down and the whole thing goes round in circles.

i'm sure someone somewhere is already working on the next big thing.

I've never used Usenet, heard plenty about it though.

You're comment is interesting however I don't think it is entirely correct.
For the past few decades the technology was evolving and people setup something, got closed down, then somebody set up something else, it be came popular, got closed down etc etc and this generally continued and has done so however in the past 2-3 years we have seen the rights holders catch up generally by impacting on governments decisions making when it comes to laws and indirectly by forcing ISP's to act.
That coupled with the explosion of "legal" sites and services, in my opinion, will mean that there will be less and less people and services that are "illegal" in nature as the chances of getting caught and the repercussions for doing so will be far greater than they have been.

Thats not to say people won't do it, just that there'll be less of them at it and probably less content as a result.

sink

kippy wrote: »

I've never used Usenet, heard plenty about it though.

You're comment is interesting however I don't think it is entirely correct.
For the past few decades the technology was evolving and people setup something, got closed down, then somebody set up something else, it be came popular, got closed down etc etc and this generally continued and has done so however in the past 2-3 years we have seen the rights holders catch up generally by impacting on governments decisions making when it comes to laws and indirectly by forcing ISP's to act.
That coupled with the explosion of "legal" sites and services, in my opinion, will mean that there will be less and less people and services that are "illegal" in nature as the chances of getting caught and the repercussions for doing so will be far greater than they have been.

Thats not to say people won't do it, just that there'll be less of them at it and probably less content as a result.

It's probably true that file sharing will become less mainstream in the future. However I wouldn't say there will be a drop off in content, it may just be more inaccessible to laypeople, which is entirely different.

99% if all content publicly available today, be it usenet, torrents, filelockers or others, is released by "The Scene" which is composed of shadowy groups for whom warez is a lifestyle. The Scene has been around long before the internet and piracy became mainstream and will probably always exist. They will always release content as prolific as they do now because they see it as some sort of cause and competition.

blu3r0ri0n

How I laughed!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/14ogx0/til_piracy_remover_joseph_morganelli_ran_a_usenet/

http://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/14oz8x/heres_joe_morganelli_defending_himself_and_his/

Antar Bolaeisk

Khannie wrote: »

Ask cisk says - that may be of limited value if the takedowns are automated (which Astraweb have confirmed they are). Really it would be a simple task for a takedown company - monitor usenet headers, match show on your protected list, issue automated takedown. It wouldn't even be hard to fully automate.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were using the well-know usenet pvr replacement program to do it either

It is fully automated from what I understand and it's the reason why indexers such as NZBmatrix are becoming irrelevant, stuff goes up and within the hour is down again. Unless you have an automated setup yourself to nab what you want as soon as it's there, there's just no point. All this talk of running private indexers as well doesn't really make much sense to me either as they're still going to suffer from the same problems. From what I recall there are only four Usenet providers and they're all fully DMCA compliant.

Tails142

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if they were using the well-know usenet pvr replacement program to do it either

It is fully automated from what I understand and it's the reason why indexers such as NZBmatrix are becoming irrelevant, stuff goes up and within the hour is down again. Unless you have an automated setup yourself to nab what you want as soon as it's there, there's just no point. All this talk of running private indexers as well doesn't really make much sense to me either as they're still going to suffer from the same problems. From what I recall there are only four Usenet providers and they're all fully DMCA compliant.

There is a lot of stuff on Usenet worth downloading that isn't targeted by DMCA take downs. all i ever noticed being affected was big name movies

PogMoThoin

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if they were using the well-know usenet pvr replacement program to do it either

It is fully automated from what I understand and it's the reason why indexers such as NZBmatrix are becoming irrelevant, stuff goes up and within the hour is down again. Unless you have an automated setup yourself to nab what you want as soon as it's there, there's just no point. All this talk of running private indexers as well doesn't really make much sense to me either as they're still going to suffer from the same problems. From what I recall there are only four Usenet providers and they're all fully DMCA compliant.

What we're going to see is people moving from the USA providers to NL as they are braver and don't instantly react to the DMCA notices. Usenet is changing shape, much like the takedown of Napster, bittorrent dispersing into thousands of private indexes. Here's a map I found.

Squeaky the Squirrel

sink wrote: »

99% if all content publicly available today, be it usenet, torrents, filelockers or others, is released by "The Scene" which is composed of shadowy groups for whom warez is a lifestyle. The Scene has been around long before the internet and piracy became mainstream and will probably always exist. They will always release content as prolific as they do now because they see it as some sort of cause and competition.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/82078

The acknowledged leader of once prolific movie piracy group IMAGiNE was sent to prison today for five years, one of the longest sentences ever handed down for criminal copyright infringement.
In addition to his prison term, Jeramiah Perkins, 40, of Portsmouth, Va., was sentenced to serve three years of supervised release and ordered to pay $15,000 in restitution. On Aug. 29, 2012, Perkins pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement.

kippy

Squeaky the Squirrel wrote: »

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/82078

This is exactly what we will see more and more of in my opinion as the lawmakers catch up.

IMAGiNE was a p2p group so they don't adhere to any scene rules. Also mainly use BitTorrent for distribution. And as the article mentions they were profiteering of it via donations etc.

They are the very tip of the iceberg.

kippy

cisk wrote: »

IMAGiNE was a p2p group so they don't adhere to any scene rules. Also mainly use BitTorrent for distribution. And as the article mentions they were profiteering of it via donations etc.

They are the very tip of the iceberg.

The point is, the industry has managed to get a large number of laws implemented in a massive amount of countries.
Ultimately if the ISP's are forced into complying with these laws and the wishes of the record/music industry there will be very limited ways of distribution.

MOH

Anyone know if any Irish ISPs are blocking port 119 altogether?
Having trouble setting something up, getting 'connection refused' from a range of public usenet servers.
Don't think it's a firewall issue at my end unless it's something I missed, and I don't want to waste any more time on it if it is an ISP related thing.

Squeaky the Squirrel

MOH wrote: »

Anyone know if any Irish ISPs are blocking port 119 altogether?

who you with? I read nothing, so no.

PogMoThoin

MOH wrote: »

Anyone know if any Irish ISPs are blocking port 119 altogether?
Having trouble setting something up, getting 'connection refused' from a range of public usenet servers.
Don't think it's a firewall issue at my end unless it's something I missed, and I don't want to waste any more time on it if it is an ISP related thing.

Try using ssl and port 443. I get much faster speeds with Eircom with ssl, I've a suspicion they're throttling traffic on port 119.

MOH

Squeaky the Squirrel wrote: »

who you with? I read nothing, so no.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Try using ssl and port 443. I get much faster speeds with Eircom with ssl, I've a suspicion they're throttling traffic on port 119.

Thanks, but it was actually extreme idiocy on my part, some basic config stuff that I'd changed but hadn't saved

Leiva

Is there really any point in setting up a SABnzdb-Couchpotato-Sickbeard-Headphones system these days?

Hardware and software at the ready but this thread doesn't inspire confidence.:(