King George

droidman123

droidman123 wrote: »

Mis type..i meant 2m3f. Why do you try to ne a smartass all the time? I,m not the first to mis-type and i,m sure i wont be the last.

he was bred out of a horse who produced many stayers, and his dam, wicked crack (lol what a name for a horse:)) won a lot of staying races and ran in the grand national, so i guess tizzard has to take a chance with him, he has the class and his jumping in the haldon was superb. whether he stays or not, we will know on the 26th.
p.s. you might see the haldon as being 2m2f...but its an extended 2m2f which brings it to nearer 2m3f : )

RichieLawlor

droidman123 wrote: »

Mis type..i meant 2m3f. Why do you try to be a smartass all the time? I,m not the first to mis-type and i,m sure i wont be the last.

When did they start running the Haldon Gold Cup over 2m 3f?

RichieLawlor

Just to finish this the Haldon Gold Cup is an extended 2m1f. Hope his helps

droidman123

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Just to finish this the Haldon Gold Cup is an extended 2m1f. Hope his helps

well whatever, the point i,m making is he is bred to stay the extra mile, whether he does or not remains to be seen.

GampDub

Anybody know if/when Paddy Powet went NRNB for this race?

Goldcupfav

GampDub wrote: »

Anybody know if/when Paddy Powet went NRNB for this race?

Boylesport only firm NRNB. PP i think go nrnb Christmas eve.

hucklebuck

Bet365 have all races from Kempton on Stephens Day priced up

TheMilkyPirate

droidman123 wrote: »

i probably forget more about horse racing than you will ever know..

droidman123 wrote: »

Mis type..i meant 2m3f.

droidman123 wrote: »

p.s. you might see the haldon as being 2m2f...but its an extended 2m2f which brings it to nearer 2m3f : )

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Just to finish this the Haldon Gold Cup is an extended 2m1f. Hope his helps

I'm sorry but LOL

droidman123

baraca wrote: »

I'm sorry but LOL

bit unfair to be laughing at ritchie, but why would you say sorry, then laugh at him anyway?

droidman123

hucklebuck wrote: »

Bet365 have all races from Kempton on Stephens Day priced up

thanks for the heads up, just logged on now to check prices.

TheMilkyPirate

droidman123 wrote: »

bit unfair to be laughing at ritchie, but why would you say sorry, then laugh at him anyway?

I was saying sorry to everyone else for going off topic and I was laughing at you.

Anyway Riverside theatre seems to be getting overlooked a bit for this, I suppose he's not a guaranteed stayer and in ground like this that's certainly going to be tested. But his record at Kempton is 3 from 4 the defeat coming to Long run in the 2011 gold cup. His record fresh is phenomenal as well his only defeat FTO also being that loss to Long run.

droidman123

baraca wrote: »

I was saying sorry to everyone else for going off topic and I was laughing at you.

Anyway Riverside theatre seems to be getting overlooked a bit for this, I suppose he's not a guaranteed stayer and in ground like this that's certainly going to be tested. But his record at Kempton is 3 from 4 the defeat coming to Long run in the 2011 gold cup. His record fresh is phenomenal as well his only defeat FTO also being that loss to Long run.

i know u were laughing at me, what is this, a wexford loon fest???

TheMilkyPirate

droidman123 wrote: »

i know u were laughing at me, what is this, a wexford loon fest???

Why say this then.

droidman123 wrote: »

bit unfair to be laughing at ritchie, but why would you say sorry, then laugh at him anyway?

Please go away.

Arctic89

With SDC's confirmed absence and my stake back in my pocket I think I'm allowed another go at finding some value here!

Long Run should win on the figures but with his form since his Gold Cup win and his poor jumping lto at Haydock you just couldn't back him. Add to that the Dentist on board and he's certainly far from value.

Cue Card and Riverside Theatre both look like they need shorter trips on better ground. I'm not willing to gamble on them staying at the prices.

Grand Crus clearly loves the track and is a classy animal at his best but his last 2 appearances haven't inspired me and it's too big a risk that the Grand Crus of 2011 will turn up.

Kauto Stone looks the value pick of the remainder. Loves the soft ground,has proven he can stay 3m on the ground at Down Royal this year and in my opinion,is a better jumper on right handed tracks (his best performances have been Down Royal 2011,2012 and last year's Tingle Creek). If he's still 8/1 on the day I'll have a few quid on him each way.

I look forward to Richie tearing my argument apart! ;-)

Huntley

baraca wrote: »

I was saying sorry to everyone else for going off topic and I was laughing at you.

Anyway Riverside theatre seems to be getting overlooked a bit for this, I suppose he's not a guaranteed stayer and in ground like this that's certainly going to be tested. But his record at Kempton is 3 from 4 the defeat coming to Long run in the 2011 gold cup. His record fresh is phenomenal as well his only defeat FTO also being that loss to Long run.

You should probably laugh at yourself while you are at it. Gold Cup at Kempton?

baraca wrote: »

Please go away.

What kind of a s**t comment is this?

The last three pages are the epitome of why this forum has little credibility. People trying to pull up others over gender and race distances like they are billy big balls. We can all read the racingpost, there is no credibility in such behavior.

Droidman, Cue Card has plenty of stamina in his breeding but I would be worried about him on that ground. He is too exuberant to see out 3 miles on that surface so I'd be careful.

Arctic89 wrote: »

Long Run should win on the figures but with his form since his Gold Cup win and his poor jumping lto at Haydock you just couldn't back him. Add to that the Dentist on board and he's certainly far from value.

He has really only run one bad race since then and that was last season's Gold Cup. Haydock is just too sharp for him and he just didn't have the toe to win it this year or last. He put in a gallant effort in the King George last year that was probably a pound or two shy of his ability at most imo. I don't think his jumping was any poorer than before last time out either.

Arctic89 wrote: »

Kauto Stone looks the value pick of the remainder. Loves the soft ground,has proven he can stay 3m on the ground at Down Royal this year and in my opinion,is a better jumper on right handed tracks (his best performances have been Down Royal 2011,2012 and last year's Tingle Creek). If he's still 8/1 on the day I'll have a few quid on him each way.

Don't waste your time with Kauto Stone, he just doesn't have the quality to win this.

Arctic89 wrote: »

I look forward to Richie tearing my argument apart! ;-)

Anybody can tear an argument apart. The only people worth taking notice of are those who actually put up winners on a regular basis. That seems to be a rarity around these parts.

Slattsy

Grand Crus being backed, only 8/1 now :eek:

Bookies running scared of Slattsy's NAP

(yes i speak of myself in the thirdperson sometimes)

hucklebuck

baraca wrote: »

I was saying sorry to everyone else for going off topic and I was laughing at you.

Anyway Riverside theatre seems to be getting overlooked a bit for this, I suppose he's not a guaranteed stayer and in ground like this that's certainly going to be tested. But his record at Kempton is 3 from 4 the defeat coming to Long run in the 2011 gold cup 2010 King George. His record fresh is phenomenal as well his only defeat FTO also being that loss to Long run.

FYP

Riverside is class but for me he is too skinny.

The more I look at it the more I like Captain Chris, it will be between him and Long Run imo, Cue Card will be bang there if he sees out the trip.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

The more I look at it the more I like Captain Chris, it will be between him and Long Run imo

Do you have reservations about Captain Chris or For Non Stop staying the trip?

The reason I ask is because if you don't then you have to take account of the Williams runner surely. If they ran that Ascot race off level weights than he wins. Or do you think that CC will improve for the step up in trip and FNS won't? What appeals to you about Captain Chris?

I'd be interested to hear your angle on that, because the more I look at it the more I realise how poor the race would have to be for Captain Chris to win on the conditions.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

Do you have reservations about Captain Chris or For Non Stop staying the trip?

Capt Chris ran in it last year and he belted so many fences that must have knocked some wind out of him. All things considered I think 3rd was a very good effort given the form of the yard and the mistakes he made.

I really like For Non Stop but for me it's a much riskier bet than Captain Chris, he is untested over 3 miles. I think he will end up in the Ryanair and I hope he does as I endulged myself at 33/1 earlier in the season.

All that said if Sam Cohen uses his noggin and lets Long Run bowl along in front he will win it. There are too many quick horses in the race and he will be blitzed if they stay and he hasn't turned the screw down the back side.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

Do you have reservations about Captain Chris or For Non Stop staying the trip?

The reason I ask is because if you don't then you have to take account of the Williams runner surely. If they ran that Ascot race off level weights than he wins. Or do you think that CC will improve for the step up in trip and FNS won't? What appeals to you about Captain Chris?

I'd be interested to hear your angle on that, because the more I look at it the more I realise how poor the race would have to be for Captain Chris to win on the conditions.

I completely agree, FNS is a machine, he made a few mistakes in that race. I think in time he will achieve a higher rating than CC's highest rating.

I think the two horses go on all ground from good to heavy, attached is the head to head depending on the ground so I don't think Chris will be put out by better ground.

All told he was beaten 18 lengths last year but given the number of mistakes and the form of the yard for the last 12 months but that appears to be behind them and he jumped and travelled very well in heavy ground so he has to be bang there at the business end.

TheMilkyPirate

Huntley wrote: »

You should probably laugh at yourself while you are at it. Gold Cup at Kempton?

What kind of a s**t comment is this?

Jesus Huntley relax. The King george sorry it was a mistake. And it's not a shitty comment he was obviously being a troll and winding me up what did you want me to say?

Anyway leave it at that thread is de-railed enough as it is.

droidman123

baraca wrote: »

Why say this then.



Please go away.

to confuse you, and it clearly worked.

ste2010

If I was interested in laying on betfair I'd lay riverside theatre and captain chris..
I don't think there is sufficient improvement from both or sufficient decline from long run for them to win..
It'll be
Grans crus - if he returns which I doubt
Cue card - if he stays. I think he will.
Kauto stone - his form from DR holds well with First lieutenant so I think he is a little underrated. However that was one run, but last seasons runs could have line drawn through them given nicholls issues
Champion court - he found too much against silvianaco conti in aintree over 3m but if we are to read into everyone jabbering on about kempton being an easy 3 this may suit..given they ran him
Over 2 1f in ascot (why nobody knows) could suggest they wanted a handy enough race before the king George
For Non Stop - kindly noted by huntey! was a superstar in everyone's eyes before ascot..ascot was run in bottomless ground I would consider drawing alone through that race. Will the trip bring on further improvement ?? Who knows
Long run - on all known form is the
Likely winner..I hope the dentist is unseated after 2 fences

droidman123

baraca wrote: »

Jesus Huntley relax. The King george sorry it was a mistake. And it's not a shitty comment he was obviously being a troll and winding me up what did you want me to say?

Anyway leave it at that thread is de-railed enough as it is.

a troll i am certainly not. you and ritchie have been nitpicking nearly every comment i posted here about racing. i love horse racing like no other sport, no i am not perfect and i make mistakes, (haldon cup over 2m3f). its actually a race i look forward to every year, dont know why i thought it was 2m3f, but there you go. for what its worth, i backed cue card at 7/1 last week before alferof came out, going to back it again at 5/1 in the morning. best of luck to everyones selection.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

Capt Chris ran in it last year and he belted so many fences that must have knocked some wind out of him. All things considered I think 3rd was a very good effort given the form of the yard and the mistakes he made.

I really like For Non Stop but for me it's a much riskier bet than Captain Chris, he is untested over 3 miles. I think he will end up in the Ryanair and I hope he does as I endulged myself at 33/1 earlier in the season.

I'm not a big advocate of value, if you find the winner that's all that matters in reality. However, if you are looking for something with a price than the difference between CC and FNS is excessive.

Captain Chris ran in this last year but he only beat Somersby and Nacarat. Nacarat couldn't live with the pace and Somersby was trying 3 miles for the first time aswell. It wasn't really conclusive as to whether he stayed a solid 3 miles at G1 standard. Knowing how much you all love PTP's here it might be worth adding that For Non Stop did win one before on heavy going. Unless you think that CC can improve for the step up in trip or the conditions than I couldn't agree that For Non Stop is a "much riskier bet". (FNS should be 11lbs better off in your spreadsheet aswell.)

hucklebuck wrote: »

All told he was beaten 18 lengths last year but given the number of mistakes and the form of the yard for the last 12 months but that appears to be behind them and he jumped and travelled very well in heavy ground so he has to be bang there at the business end.

It's all well and good saying he jumped and travelled well but that performance isn't good enough. If he ran to his Ascot form then no, he wouldn't be "bang there at the business end."

He probably needs 10lbs improvement in him to win unless it is a poor race, do you genuinely believe he has that in him on the conditions? Its dreamland stuff to suggest he has realistically isn't it?

hucklebuck wrote: »

All that said if Sam Cohen uses his noggin and lets Long Run bowl along in front he will win it. There are too many quick horses in the race and he will be blitzed if they stay and he hasn't turned the screw down the back side.

People automatically assume that Long Run has the speed to bowl along in front. The reality is that when there is a speed horse in the race he just isn't/wouldn't be able. He tried to take on Kauto a mile out in the Betfair last year and suffered because of it. He wouldn't have been able to go the gallop with Kauto Star in the King George last year either if they tried, he simply doesn't have the toe for it.

Similarly, he wouldn't have been able to go with Silviniaco Conti at Haydock last time out. The one time that he was able to take a race on a good way out was Newbury, when there wasn't anything in the race with any real speed. He idled up the straight that day until Burton Port came to his quarters and he ran away from him again.

He probably should have done the same in the Gold Cup when Kauto pulled up but the jockey just didn't have the brain to do it.

The fact the ground is so poor means that nothing will be going a strong enough pace early on that Long Run won't be able to deal with. If he was mine I'd let him to take it up about 6 furlongs out and see what can challenge him, I wouldn't think there is anything in the field that could match his engine. He might be able to make all this time and leave his massive engine pull him clear over testing conditions but that isn't the way I'd always ride him. He wouldn't be able to do it against Cue Card if it was good ground here and he certainly won't be able to make all in March if it is a quick surface.

Baraca - perfectly calm mate, comment wasn't necessarily directed as you but more with the people who tried to display their "racing knowledge" by pulling up others on minuscule issues. Highlighting the Gold Cup was tongue in cheek.

Again this isn't directed at you but the best way to show your credibility is by posting winners, the one person who took it upon himself to 'educate' droidman rarely does.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

I'm not a big advocate of value, if you find the winner that's all that matters in reality. However, if you are looking for something with a price than the difference between CC and FNS is excessive.

Captain Chris ran in this last year but he only beat Somersby and Nacarat. Nacarat couldn't live with the pace and Somersby was trying 3 miles for the first time aswell. It wasn't really conclusive as to whether he stayed a solid 3 miles at G1 standard. Knowing how much you all love PTP's here it might be worth adding that For Non Stop did win one before on heavy going. Unless you think that CC can improve for the step up in trip or the conditions than I couldn't agree that For Non Stop is a "much riskier bet". (FNS should be 11lbs better off in your spreadsheet aswell.)

In relation to the price it may be as simple as the bookies have the same view that Chris is more likely to see out the trip. FNS has been very good this year so I can't think of any other reason why the gap is so vast. The Ascot race was Chris first run of the season and it was FNS second race.

Thank re the mark but that column is the horses highest winning mark, I have a lot more info in it but stripped it out. I have that in my program as it's handy for trying to get to the bottom of a handicap.

I meant riskier on the basis that he is untested over 3 miles, Chris wasn't legless last year either. I know he was a fair way back but yard form is massive and if he puts in a clear round there is no reason why he won't be there.

The other thing to consider is Kauto got a mark of 183 for last year and it's hard to see who can put in a run near that level this year. Cue Card if he gets the trip is capable of a mid 170s and Long Run is capable of this and more but I think he is broken and will struggle to run mid 170s imo.

Huntley wrote: »

It's all well and good saying he jumped and travelled well but that performance isn't good enough. If he ran to his Ascot form then no, he wouldn't be "bang there at the business end."

He probably needs 10lbs improvement in him to win unless it is a poor race, do you genuinely believe he has that in him on the conditions? Its dreamland stuff to suggest he has realistically isn't it?

To me that shows he has improved, in last years King George he did neither and I never read too much into a first run.

If the horses being stepped up don't get the trip it will be a poor race especially if SWC runs the usual race. I can't see anyone who is trying the trip wanting to force the pace if there is a doubt they will see it out.

I think it speaks volumes that someone of Mullins calibre is supplementing Junior, he mustn't think it is going to be a classic either.

Huntley wrote: »

People automatically assume that Long Run has the speed to bowl along in front. The reality is that when there is a speed horse in the race he just isn't/wouldn't be able. He tried to take on Kauto a mile out in the Betfair last year and suffered because of it. He wouldn't have been able to go the gallop with Kauto Star in the King George last year either if they tried, he simply doesn't have the toe for it.

Similarly, he wouldn't have been able to go with Silviniaco Conti at Haydock last time out. The one time that he was able to take a race on a good way out was Newbury, when there wasn't anything in the race with any real speed. He idled up the straight that day until Burton Port came to his quarters and he ran away from him again.

He probably should have done the same in the Gold Cup when Kauto pulled up but the jockey just didn't have the brain to do it.

The fact the ground is so poor means that nothing will be going a strong enough pace early on that Long Run won't be able to deal with. If he was mine I'd let him to take it up about 6 furlongs out and see what can challenge him, I wouldn't think there is anything in the field that could match his engine. He might be able to make all this time and leave his massive engine pull him clear over testing conditions but that isn't the way I'd always ride him. He wouldn't be able to do it against Cue Card if it was good ground here and he certainly won't be able to make all in March if it is a quick surface.

Long Run isn't the quickest but he has bags of stamina and if SWC was smart he would try steal the race, the horse may very well jump better when he is not given time to think about about the fence.

When I say run from the front I mean the way Denman or Imperial Commander do, have him handy and go to the front a mile out and make the rest catch you if they can.

It's ridiculous running him the way they do, even if he gets a boot once he is on the other side of a fence and make the use of his engine in between fences as he loses loads over them.

Quite simply if they run him the same way and even just one of Cue Card, Grands Crus, Captain Chris For Non Stop or Riverside Theatre are getting the trip and are near him turning in he is going to be beaten.

Long Run is so frustrating as I was expecting a superstar in the 190's and if anything I think he is sliding backwards.

Slattsy

droidman123 wrote: »

a troll i am certainly not. you and ritchie have been nitpicking nearly every comment i posted here about racing. i love horse racing like no other sport, no i am not perfect and i make mistakes, (haldon cup over 2m3f). its actually a race i look forward to every year, dont know why i thought it was 2m3f, but there you go. for what its worth, i backed cue card at 7/1 last week before alferof came out, going to back it again at 5/1 in the morning. best of luck to everyones selection.

You'll have to get used to that amigo

Re: Cue Card. Really fancied him up until the ground went heavy. Stamina doubts for a horse that shows a lot of speed.

He'll go off in front i'd imagine. Anyone else got an idea who'll take the lead on?

hucklebuck

Slattsy wrote: »

Re: Cue Card. Really fancied him up until the ground went heavy. Stamina doubts for a horse that shows a lot of speed.

He'll go off in front i'd imagine. Anyone else got an idea who'll take the lead on?

Would like to see Long Run but will probably be Giant Bolster/ Junior, can't see the horses stepping up trying it.

All said if Cue Card takes it up I will back him in running as the Tizzards know something that I don't.

droidman123

hucklebuck wrote: »

Would like to see Long Run but will probably be Giant Bolster/ Junior, can't see the horses stepping up trying it.

All said if Cue Card takes it up I will back him in running as the Tizzards know something that I don't.

Yes I think you are right about who will make try make the running,definitely giant bolster. Personally I would like to see cue card sitting in behind,if he handles the ground, I think he will run a great race. On breeding,he should stay the 3 miles, but it really is down to whether he handles what is going to be very tacky going.

Slattsy

Junior will lead for sure, i forgot about him.

Grand Crus to be handy too, and try kick on like he did a few furlongs out the Feltham last year. Scu was very aggresive that day.

Huntley

You just don't seem to get it hucklebuck.

If there is a speed horse in the race - Long Run can't/wouldn't be able to make all. He doesn't have the toe.

No pace in the race - he could take it up a mile out or so, a la Newbury last year.

It isn't as straight forward as saying let him take up the running a circuit out.

He is always ridden handy aswell, the criticism recently is that connections should try and let him win his races sooner. That wouldn't have been possible against Silviniaco Conti (Doesn't have the speed), probably will be possible in the King George as the conditions will probably mean there won't be anything going off too quickly that could threaten him.

Mullins supplementing Junior? I'm not quite sure if you think its Uncle Junior that has been supplemented? Anyway, its Pipe's and he also has Grands Crus in the race. It probably doesn't speak volumes, more that connections are going to hope for the best.

Captain Chris will need to improve on his Ascot run to win, at least 10lbs to be competitive unless it turns out to be a very poor race. You seem to be hoping for the latter.

Good luck with your bets anyway, you were warned.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

You just don't seem to get it hucklebuck.

If there is a speed horse in the race - Long Run can't/wouldn't be able to make all. He doesn't have the toe.

No pace in the race - he could take it up a mile out or so, a la Newbury last year.

It isn't as straight forward as saying let him take up the running a circuit out.

I think we have a different opinion rather than me not getting it. I think he needs to take it up somewhere between the start of the last circuit and a mile out to give himself the best chance, he isn't as slow as you are making out though.

Huntley wrote: »

Mullins supplementing Junior?

Sorry I put the wrong trainer in but I was thinking about the right horse

Huntley wrote: »

Anyway, its Pipe's and he also has Grands Crus in the race. It probably doesn't speak volumes, more that connections are going to hope for the best.

It's an odd entry all the same, he is not what I would consider good enough to set a decent pace for GC but they may think a lot of them will not stay and he might stay past a few like Mon Mome in the Gold Cup.

Huntley wrote: »

Captain Chris will need to improve on his Ascot run to win, at least 10lbs to be competitive unless it turns out to be a very poor race. You seem to be hoping for the latter.

Good luck with your bets anyway, you were warned.

It's a mixture of both to be honest, I think it's reasonable to come on for the run and Johnson will have to keep him stuck to the rail for him to have a chance.

I am backing him on the basis that he has a decent chance of winning and will probably finish in the places.

Who do you fancy? Did you say Long Run before?

BorneTobyWilde

Giant Bolster to come of age,
Rock home by 4 lengths
Beat Long Run before,
Can beat him again

dave3004

Long Run not same horse. Hopefully he recaptures his old form.....owes me a small fortune.

I've always had time for Junior and think he could go well. Might be slightly outclassed.

Kauto Stone at 15/2 ?? Why so short I've no idea?

The last thing Bridgwater said to Tom Scu when giving him the leg up for the GC last March was "Its all about next season with this fella".

Giant Bolster for me. Massive overs at 10/1. Must be a huge each way bet.

mdwexford

Slattsy wrote: »

He did beat Bobs Worth and Silviano Conti last year

SC beat Long Run this season.
Bobs Worth is the Gold Cup fav.
His form stacks up with the best of them.
His last 2 runs need serious questioning mind you, but i'll take a chance.

Wasnt BW conditions when he beat him and he has improved since.
I dont rate SC that highly and again he has also improved past GC.

Hes not seeing out his races for some reason when he could over hurdles.
I hope they can find the key to him but if he were mine he would be going back hurdling unless he puts in a cracking run in the King George.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

Who do you fancy? Did you say Long Run before?

On first glance I thought he may be good enough to win despite his limitations.

I'm not a particular fan of the horse, but his effort in this last year was brilliant. He is incredibly resilient and just didn't know when to give in. He motored up the straight and even after being hard at work for 6 furlongs he had another lunge at Kauto after the last. Really was a smashing effort and as I said I think his only poor effort was the Gold Cup last year. Every other run has been pretty consistent in my view.

As I said, he is the one recognised top quality stayer in the field on these dour conditions. Long Run is the bet.

ft9

Long Run @4/1. No stupid €20 limits either.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/powerplay/enhanced-padvent-special?ev_oc_grp_ids=1011281&AFF_ID=3409

ft9

ft9 wrote: »

Long Run @4/1. No stupid €20 limits either.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/powerplay/enhanced-padvent-special?ev_oc_grp_ids=1011281&AFF_ID=3409

Finished already. Wasn't going to have a bet in the race until I saw that, had 50 on at 4's. Savage Price.

ste2010

ft9 wrote: »

Finished already. Wasn't going to have a bet in the race until I saw that, had 50 on at 4's. Savage Price.

You got it?? Did you get a mail about it??

ft9

ste2010 wrote: »

You got it?? Did you get a mail about it??

Yeah I had a bet on it. I came across it on twitter.

tryfix

Will be taking the 8/1 on offer about Kauto Stone, don't really fancy Long Run and I'll just have a punt on Kauto Stone for an interest, with Cue Card the danger.

mailburner

I think long run is a stupid price at 2s
on the other hand you couldnt be confident about any
of the others either imo
Long run doesn't look to be the same horse who won a kg and
a gold cup


I would confidently put a line through riverside theatre, grand crus
and kauto stone as i dont think any of those three are good enough
to win what is a sub standard king george imo

if cue card stays he could win it but for me i'd be happy
to have a little ew on giant bolster at 8s and junior at 25s and
both should run their race and giant bolsters form is up
there with the best of these
junior might not be good enough to win but might sneak
a place and i'd hope he would go off in front and make
it a true test
if captain chris jumps a bit better he could also go close

this would be a steering job for kauto even past his prime

too many ifs and buts in the race though

think there could be a few happy bookies tomorrow

Amazed at Long Run's OR of 172, that's neither here not there though. 2/1 or 9/4 looks looney short but I could see Long Run winning this but Mr S Waley-Cohen in the saddle would prevent me from having a bet, I rarely consider jockey bookings but when it's an amateur riding in the races like this I just have to, not meaning to take away from Mr S Waley-Cohen's achievements to date but I find him a tad unnerving to watch and that's without backing him

As it's Stephen's Day I'll be having a little bit on Grands Crus, CD to suit and I think there's a very decent top class chaser in that horse that we'll see eventually, maybe not tomorrow admittedly

mailburner

RoverJames wrote: »

As it's Stephen's Day I'll be having a little bit on Grands Crus, CD to suit and I think there's a very decent top class chaser in that horse

you might be right
he's cost me a bit at cheltenham but really looked the part
at kempton this time last year
i shouldnt be really writing this one off so soon

mailburner

mailburner wrote: »

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he's cost me a bit at cheltenham........

I was over at the Open Meeting and had a fair bit on him, my heart sank when I saw him going down so reluctantly, if he's acting in a similar fashion tomorrow I won't bother with my bet tbh.

Overthelast

PP doing money back special if your 2nd to Long Run tomorrow.

Im with The Giant Bolster.

Colonel Sanders

The Giant Bolster will definitely see out the trip on the ground. While normally Kempton is an easy enough track to see out they often go a brutal clip in the KG

His reappearance was promising, I think he'll come on for it & the champ is booked. Looks hard to keep out of the 3 for me but I still don't think I'll get involved tbh

mdwexford

Can't believe I'm almost getting sucked into backing Long Run. Awful race tomorrow.

3ndahalfof6

Tis a tough race so I will be doing JUNIOR and FOR NON STOP without LONG RUN.