Aggressive Artic Drivers

CiniO

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

I was there, you weren't so stop typing $hite. If you can't accept what I am saying and de facto call me a liar then please bugger off and bother someone else's thread you moron

OK so.
I'll trust what you are saying is true.

In that case I'm really sorry for you.
We all know how annoying it might be, when road is frosty and everyone must be really cautious and slow down to 95km/h as conditions require.
Also being surrounded by 3 maniacs in big trucks can be very stressful. One flashing and making some strange manouvers, while other two bombing at way over 100km/h on icy road overtaking - pure madness.

In that case I believe this could have been really stressing days, and please take my condolences as you truly deserve it.

No one would like to be in your situation.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

I know it from my own experience as I drive buses from time to time on motorways here.
I'm limited to 100km/h.
I go nicely 100km/h for a good while, and then I approach a car doing 95km/h.
So I indicate right and start overtaking. Unfortunately by the time I'm in line with the car, he accelerated to 102km/h and all my overtaking plans must be interrupted. So I come back to driving lane, to find out in 10 seconds, that this car has slowed down to 95 again.
I keep driving 95 behind him for a while, and the he accelerates and leaves me much behind. So I accelerate to 100 again, and after few minutes I've got the same car in front of me again doing 90. I try to overtake, and the same thing happens - he accelerates to over 100 while I'm overtaking unabling me to finish the manouver.

Trust me - that is frustrating.

Thats just bad driving, which is sort of a seperate issue, but no less frustrating. You see that nonsense all the time; go to pass a car on a motorway and suddenly they put the boot down. Seems to happen to me a lot; I think a lot of dickheads seem to think that because I drive a Type R I want to race them...

Patser

Just to add my 2 c.

I drive coaches and we are limited (both legally and mechanically) to 100kmh. Recently while driving into Dublin on the N7 I had to pass a middle lane hogging Honda Civic. It was one of the newer models of the Honda, which has a large digital display, so by glancing down I could clearly see the Honda was doing 107ing by her Speedo. My
speedo read 100kmh, so did the small speed display on my digital tacho and I had a sticker showing my limiter had been recently calibrated in the cab. And I was briskly passing the car.

If that driver was to have been the OP, she'd be complaining of a bus speeding by her at well over 110, above any limit. But instead it shows how individual speedo calibration can be. So in this thread the OP states he was driving at 95-100kph, which to the Artic could have been 80-85.

CiniO

Patser wrote: »

Just to add my 2 c.

I drive coaches and we are limited (both legally and mechanically) to 100kmh. Recently while driving into Dublin on the N7 I had to pass a middle lane hogging Honda Civic. It was one of the newer models of the Honda, which has a large digital display, so by glancing down I could clearly see the Honda was doing 107ing by her Speedo. My
speedo read 100kmh, so did the small speed display on my digital tacho and I had a sticker showing my limiter had been recently calibrated in the cab. And I was briskly passing the car.

If that driver was to have been the OP, she'd be complaining of a bus speeding by her at well over 110, above any limit. But instead it shows how individual speedo calibration can be. So in this thread the OP states he was driving at 95-100kph, which to the Artic could have been 80-85.

My car at 100km/h shows 108 on speedometer.
And that's linear. So it shows 8% more always.
At 50km/h speedo will show 54.
At 200km/h speedo will show 216km/h.

djimi

Should you not be more concerned with driving your bus than with trying to read the speedo of the car you are passing...?

foxboy

What to do when somebody overtakes you
Continue at the same pace.
Keep as near to the left as is safe to do so.
Do not accelerate.
Be alert in case the overtaking vehicle suddenly pulls back in front of you.

taken from rules of the road on RSA website

Where To

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

OMG you're right, what was I thinking and the time of year and all - the kids won't get their toys until Stephens Day - won't someone think of the children?:rolleyes:

Kinda true actually. Although the time the truck was behind you might have been relatively small, you have to realise that the difference in ten minutes arriving at certain junctions or traffic hotspots can quite easily add one, two or even three hours to a journey time.

I'm not excusing the actions of this driver but the singlemost frustrating thing for a truckdriver is a vehicle fluctuating in speed ahead of them, particularly when their schedules are tight.

glic71rods46t0

Where To wrote: »

Kinda true actually. Although the time the truck was behind you might have been relatively small, you have to realise that the difference in ten minutes arriving at certain junctions or traffic hotspots can quite easily add one, two or even three hours to a journey time.

I'm not excusing the actions of this driver but the singlemost frustrating thing for a truckdriver is a vehicle fluctuating in speed ahead of them, particularly when their schedules are tight.

I don't doubt this at all - I have never been in this situation before, like I said earlier, I normally travel at or a little higher than the posted limit.
Anyone know the name of an android app I can download to test my speed against the speedometer?

foxboy

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

have a look at the 2nd point on this page

glic71rods46t0

foxboy wrote: »

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

have a look at the 2nd point on this page

I had a look. Whats your interpretation of it?

foxboy

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

I don't doubt this at all - I have never been in this situation before, like I said earlier, I normally travel at or a little higher than the posted limit.
Anyone know the name of an android app I can download to test my speed against the speedometer?

you could use a sat nav

H3llR4iser

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

I don't doubt this at all - I have never been in this situation before, like I said earlier, I normally travel at or a little higher than the posted limit.
Anyone know the name of an android app I can download to test my speed against the speedometer?

Search the Google Market for "GPS speedometer" or even "speedometer", you'll find a few. You'll have to try some as they tend to work well with some devices, less with others - but you'll eventually find one. I used one called "Ulysses" on an LG P-500.

foxboy

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

I had a look. Whats your interpretation of it?

I'd say both truck driver and car driver could be wrong but on this occasion because of possible icy conditions and tailgating the truck driver was wrong

guil

Del2005 wrote: »

Or the driver who has to get past the HGV/Bus on a motorway, but then swerves into the driving lane about 10m past you and slows to 70km/h. Believe me folks, if HGV/Bus drivers where as bad as at driving as some people like to believe they'd be a lot more carnage on our roads.



It's illegal for a HGV to use the overtaking lane of a motorway which has a higher speed limit than there restriction of 90km/h. There's no law against flashing lights, there is against tailgating but it's rarely enforced.

It is illegal for any vehicle with a speed limit of less than 90 kph to be in the right most lane on a road with 2 or more lanes. Where are you getting higher speed limit from. It's the same in both lanes

CiniO

guil wrote: »

It is illegal for any vehicle with a speed limit of less than 90 kph to be in the right most lane on a road with 2 or more lanes. Where are you getting higher speed limit from. It's the same in both lanes

He meant that if there is a stretch of motorway with 80km/h speed limit, then trucks can use right lane for overtaking.

CrowdedHouse

I suppose the dicks that drove the trucks into the ditch last week blocking the Mountrath -Portlaoise road thought there was no ice either

foxboy

CiniO wrote: »

He meant that if there is a stretch of motorway with 80km/h speed limit, then trucks can use right lane for overtaking.

if you read 5th point on rsa page a truck limited to 81km or more can use right hand lane

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

CiniO

foxboy wrote: »

if you read 5th point on rsa page a truck limited to 81km or more can use right hand lane

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

That's not up to date. It applied when trucks were limited to 80km/h.

Now trucks limit changed to 90km/h and also prohibition of usage of right lane on motorway was increased to vehicles limited to 90km/h with exception of motorways with speed limit less than 90.

foxboy

CiniO wrote: »

That's not up to date. It applied when trucks were limited to 80km/h.

Now trucks limit changed to 90km/h and also prohibition of usage of right lane on motorway was increased to vehicles limited to 90km/h with exception of motorways with speed limit less than 90.

but the limit for a truck is still 80kph

guil

CiniO wrote: »

That's not up to date. It applied when trucks were limited to 80km/h.

Now trucks limit changed to 90km/h and also prohibition of usage of right lane on motorway was increased to vehicles limited to 90km/h with exception of motorways with speed limit less than 90.

Where exactly does it say that. All I see is the bit about not using the right most lane if the vehicle has a speed limit of 90kph or less

guil

foxboy wrote: »

but the limit for a truck is still 80kph

Only on national roads. On a motorway it's 90

CiniO

guil wrote: »

Where exactly does it say that. All I see is the bit about not using the right most lane if the vehicle has a speed limit of 90kph or less

I could bet I saw somewhere (in the times when limit was 80) that this restriction didn't apply on motorways with prescribed speed limit of less than 80.
However I can't find anything like that now, so that could have been just my imagination.

All what was update this year is this:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0074.html

3. The Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997 ( S.I. No. 182 of 1997 ) are amended by substituting for Regulation 33(1)(d) the following:

“(d) drive a vehicle of a class for which an ordinary speed limit of not more than 90 kilometres per hour is prescribed by regulations under sections 3 and 4 of the Road Traffic Act, 2004 in the traffic lane nearest the right hand edge of a carriageway having more than one traffic lane except where it is necessary to proceed in that lane due to an obstruction or because another lane or lanes is or are for the time being closed to traffic.”

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0075.html

“ 4.(a) The ordinary speed limit prescribed for a Category N2 or N3 vehicle and a combination of a Category N2 or N3 vehicle when drawing a Category O3 or O4 trailer and when driven on—

(i) a motorway, is 90 kilometres per hour, or

(ii) any other public road, is 80 kilometres per hour.

(b) the ordinary speed limit of 80 kilometres per hour is prescribed in respect of all public roads for a combination of a mechanically propelled vehicle drawing another vehicle except for any combination of vehicles to which paragraph (a) refers.”

Slig

guil wrote: »

Only on national roads. On a motorway it's 90

Could you point me towards that particular bit of legislation, I heard rumours but have seen nothing official.

guil

CiniO wrote: »

I could bet I saw somewhere (in the times when limit was 80) that this restriction didn't apply on motorways with prescribed speed limit of less than 80.
However I can't find anything like that now, so that could have been just my imagination.

All what was update this year is this:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0074.html


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0075.html

It's not in the legislation so I wouldn't believe it. Also lots of people don't realise that at the start of the piece you quoted it says a driver must NOT

guil

Slig wrote: »

Could you point me towards that particular bit of legislation, I heard rumours but have seen nothing official.

See ciniq's posts above yours for the link

CiniO

guil wrote: »

It's not in the legislation so I wouldn't believe it.

True.
If it's not there, then it's not there
I don't know where have I seen it.

Also lots of people don't realise that at the start of the piece you quoted it says a driver must NOT

Heh "Must not" is in original regulation from 1997.
This is just the amendment of it's part.
But surely good you mentioned that.

guil

I only mentioned it cos on another truck forum some lads thought it meant they could now use the overtaking lane because must not is not in the amendment

corktina

c2bskz0iypm1t6 wrote: »

Yea, real professional to drive right up to a car's bumper and flash blinding lights into the car.
I am at pains to emphasise that I was doing between 95-100kph - you on the other hand are making assumptions that I was, in fact, doing a lower speed.
Were you on the M1 northbound this morning at approx 6am? If the answer is no, then stop making assumptions about driving conditions!

you simply weren't doing that speed or the trucks would not have got past you.

OldmanMondeo

So what if the OP was driving at 95 or 50 kph, the Trucker was being a dangerous ucker. There was room to pass, as pointed out by the OP, 2 other trucks passed. OP did nothing wrong and a lot of people here need to learn that safe driving is more than just the ROTR.

working fool

working fool wrote: »

I've never driven a truck that could legally do 100k
They are set at 90 but some have a bit of leeway and can do 95k
Maybe your speedo is out a little op ?
One or two trucks messing with their limiter is possible but not a few of them .

There's an appreciable minority that don't seem to be speed limited. If you're ever on a coach (at 100km/h) overtaking a lorry on a hilly bit of motorway you might notice how the lorry speeds up relative to the bus going down hills but slows relative to the bus going up hills.