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The Borg - An ethical/moral discussion...

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    #32
    the_syco
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    In the past, it was a voice, and thus I view the queen as their representative. A human face, as it were.

    Having her as the "head" of the collective is a chink in their armour; something that can be attacked.

    The Borg assimilated the information from whom it took in, but didn't seem to have any creative side; it could make tactics based on existing tactics, but not pull something out of the hat like a human would.


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    #33
    Myrddin
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    the_syco wrote: »
    Having her as the "head" of the collective is a chink in their armour; something that can be attacked.

    Well not really, they went as far as killing her in FC...for her to be present later on in Voyager. I think she's only an avatar, as previously mentioned.
    The Borg assimilated the information from whom it took in, but didn't seem to have any creative side; it could make tactics based on existing tactics, but not pull something out of the hat like a human would.

    I think the pure computational & analytical ability they have at their disposal gives them a serious advantage. Also, the time travelling sphere in FC was 'pulled out of the hat' after the Cube was destroyed


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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    seamus wrote: »
    Unlike the humans, who are effectively socialist - each individual working for personal betterment, and therefore indirectly for communal betterment -

    sounds more randian than socialist tbh


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    #35
    Kirby
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    sounds more randian than socialist tbh

    Not so much. Randian or objectivism isn't really about the betterment of individuals.....striving for excellence etc. It's more about embracing the selfish thinking that your happiness and life is more important than everyone elses.....because it's yours. And that it's perfectly okay to think that.

    That's what I've taken away from the subject after reading a bit about it anyway.


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    #36
    Myrddin
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    Voyager, Season 6 - "Survival Instinct"

    A small group of drones, 7 of 9 included, crash on a planet surface causing them to be disconnected form the hive mind. Soon after, they all start remembering who they were, memories of childhood etc start to surface. They were all very 'un-Borg like' anyway even at the start of the episode.

    In TNG, you could really see drones were drones...they were acted in such a way that it left little doubt they were automatons. I don't recall Hugh ever remembering anything about himself, or his past life...nor any of the freed Borg under Lor's control. In VOY, the waters really get muddied, the use of "I" slips in here & there and its far more difficult to conclude that the Borg are drones. They're not even acted in the same way they are in TNG.


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