Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

Tombi!

shrewd wrote: »

how would you know, you were a child back then.

In response to question about being vocal, i believe there is an audience for racisms issues these days compared to back then.

Well, to me growing up it was normal and I never remembered any of the parents being bothered the the doctor was Asian. I was about 9 or 10 so not that young to forget.

But yeah, it might be that today there's more avenues to report stuff.

SEPT 23 1989

For me it all comes down to how hard people work and contribute to society

Gabriele

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

If I lived in the country that you are describing above I would move somewhere else, or even consider going home if its that bad. I certainly would not stay.

Trust me, this country is not less racist than Poland, Italy or Spain as many want to beleive to feel good with themselves, and again superior to the others EU countries

Tombi!

Gabriele wrote: »

Trust me, this country is not less racist than Poland, Italy or Spain as many want to beleive to feel good with themselves, and again superior to the others EU countries

Well, doesn't Poland have neo-nazi gangs that target blacks or Jews or whatever it is that aren't "white" enough? I dunno about Italy or Spain, though.

The_Kew_Tour

Gabriele wrote: »

Trust me, this country is not less racist than Poland, Italy or Spain as many want to beleive to feel good with themselves, and again superior to the others EU countries

Can you give examples?

Tombi!

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Can you give examples?

Well for one there's the taxi business in Ireland. Which basically has admitted that there is bullying of non-Irish drivers to get them out of the taxi ranks.

BidillyBo

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well for one there's the taxi business in Ireland. Which basically has admitted that there is bullying of non-Irish drivers to get them out of the taxi ranks.

Oh yea that level of racism is definitely on par with black people being told not to go to a country for a big football tournament. Ireland is certainly just as racist as poland.

Gabriele

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well, doesn't Poland have neo-nazi gangs that target blacks or Jews or whatever it is that aren't "white" enough? I dunno about Italy or Spain, though.

Italy has Casa pound, and others ( which are neo fascist groups) I don't know about Spain. But this is not really the point. We are not talking about fascist, we are talking about racism (the two things are related, but are different things). We are talking about insult when walking in city centre, or different treatment in stores, or being insulted for your accent, etc.. . The creation of organized groups is only an escalation, but everything is born from ignorance..

Noel Kinsella

Gabriele wrote: »

Trust me, this country is not less racist than Poland, Italy or Spain as many want to beleive to feel good with themselves, and again superior to the others EU countries

You seem very unhappy in Ireland its a terrible place, just as bad as Poland (of which I personally have no experience) why are you still here ? You never answered my last question, surly "home" must be better than here surly there must be somewhere better than this terrible place.

BrokenArrows

Ireland might be mildly racest but a lot of Europe is much worse.

Went on holidays to Germany with some friends. Went to a club and we were told we couldn't come in because we had some black people in the group.

They didn't even hide it.

gallag

I think black people are against equality, they separate them self at every opportunity, the black music awards, black police federation, the black lawyers, the black entertainment channel etc etc. They believe every advantage should be afforded to them as a right because of the guilt we should feel from our great grand parents being dicks to their great grandparents.

Gyalist

Gabriele wrote: »

Italy has Casa pound, and others ( which are neo fascist groups) I don't know about Spain. But this is not really the point. We are not talking about fascist, we are talking about racism (the two things are related, but are different things). We are talking about insult when walking in city centre, or different treatment in stores, or being insulted for your accent, etc.. . The creation of organized groups is only an escalation, but everything is born from ignorance..

The reason I tend not to comment on these threads that regularly pop up in AH is that they tend to generate more heat than light. The people who do not experience racism are always the loudest in decrying your experience.

Gabriele

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

You seem very unhappy in Ireland its a terrible place, just as bad as Poland (of which I personally have no experience) why are you still here ? You never answered my last question, surly "home" must be better than here surly there must be somewhere better than this terrible place.

For the same reasons a lot of EU citizens are here, multinational companies have their headquarter in ireland, and they require multilingual skills... that's all, if it wasn't for a job, I would be in another place. Anyway, Europe is not much better, and that's true, my point is that Ireland isn't this open minded paradise neither

Tombi!

BidillyBo wrote: »

Oh yea that level of racism is definitely on par with black people being told not to go to a country for a big football tournament. Ireland is certainly just as racist as poland.

I imagine that being told "you're not welcome to work here" is pretty offensive.

Marsden

Franticfrank wrote: »

I've experienced this on multiple occasions. I remember waiting in line for the cinema and a black person cut in front of me. I confronted him and was promptly accused of discrimination, just because he was black. It also happened on a crowded train - I booked a seat and a black lady was sitting in it. I asked her to move, saying my name was displayed above but she wouldn't leave the seat...trying to label me as some kind of racist for making her move. I'm not sure but I think that the word 'racist' is thrown around a little too often in this country.

I've unfortunatley experienced the same, a girl I know would claim racism whenever she was asked to sweep the floor in a shop she worked in just so she could get out of doing it, she laughed about it like it was a big joke but I thought it was out of order. I also worked with a woman who put down in her anual review that she was treated badly because of her colour, when she was asked to give a specific example she said there was none, it was just a general feeling.

Its unfortunate that a bit of crying wolf goes on because the majority of africans I know are great people with a attitude and humour similair to Irish people. The people who claim racism for the sake of it make actual complaints seem less true.

The_Kew_Tour

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well for one there's the taxi business in Ireland. Which basically has admitted that there is bullying of non-Irish drivers to get them out of the taxi ranks.

and your 2, 3 and 4 so on are?

Noel Kinsella

Gabriele wrote: »

Italy has Casa pound, and others ( which are neo fascist groups) I don't know about Spain. But this is not really the point. We are not talking about fascist, we are talking about racism (the two things are related, but are different things). We are talking about insult when walking in city centre, or different treatment in stores, or being insulted for your accent, etc.. . The creation of organized groups is only an escalation, but everything is born from ignorance..

I lived in Italy and they are very racist but I think the media makes them that way every time you turn on the TV there is news of rapes by Roma Gypsies or gangs of Africans, Murder.... Robberies.... the media may be teaching the public to "HATE" or maybe they are just telling it like it is I dont know but its very bad there. I was in a groceries shop in Rome and all the Italians were picking up fruit and veg to squeeze it as they do to pick the fresh ones, a black man came in and started picking up apples to pick a nice one and the owner roared at him "dont pick up the fruit like that use the plastic gloves" but myself or the Italians were not using gloves ! It gave me a bad feeling in my stomach to be honest. But then if you arrive in Italy as a refugee you are not housed and fed and given spending money like here you are basically left to rot thats why there is so much crime and prostitution robberies etc It really pisses me off when non nationals complain about Ireland because I "KNOW" they have it good here.

Seaneh

MagicMarker wrote: »

I would have thought it's generally accepted that Ireland is a pretty racist country, by "first world" standards.

Nonsense.

You don't leave the country much, do you?

BidillyBo

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I imagine that being told "you're not welcome to work here" is pretty offensive.

He asked for example of how Ireland was as racist as those other places. Being told your not welcome somewhere isn't the same as being told don't go over to this country or you could be beaten to death.Ireland is nowhere near as racist as Poland, like your trying to make it out to be

Tombi!

BidillyBo wrote: »

He asked for example of how Ireland was as racist as those other places. Being told your not welcome somewhere isn't the same as being told don't go over to this country or you could be beaten to death.Ireland is nowhere near as racist as Poland, like your trying to make it out to be

Okay, fine. It's not as racist as having your life threatened. But it's still pretty messed up to be intimated out of a job because you're not Irish.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

and your 2, 3 and 4 so on are?

What?

The_Kew_Tour

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Okay, fine. It's not as racist as having your life threatened. But it's still pretty messed up to be intimated out of a job because you're not Irish.



What?

What other many descriminations have you seen in Ireland?

Just taximen is it? are they all the same are they?

nlgbbbblth

danslevent wrote: »

I think the awkwardness is funny sometimes though, irish people sometimes feel uncomfortable even saying "black people" as if pointing out their skin colour is rude and shouldn't be mentioned. "Coloured" insinuates they have been coloured in

I work with a person like this. Shes thinks coloured is fine but black is "un-PC" (her words - spoken with some irritation)

She's oblivious to / ignorant of:
1) the fact that saying "coloured" make one sound like they're living in the 1960s.
2) James Brown - "say it loud / I'm black and I'm proud"
3) Black music awards
4) Books like "Growing up black in Britain".
5) Proper definitions of political correctness and what constitutes racism.

She also came out with the blackboard myth - "You can't say blackboard anymore". It seems that Daily Mail lies get everywhere.

Tombi!

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What other many descriminations have you seen in Ireland?

Just taximen is it? are they all the same are they?

Yeah and sure, all taximan are racist feckers and they want all the non-Irish out. :rolleyes:

The_Kew_Tour

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Yeah and sure, all taximan are racist feckers and they want all the non-Irish out. :rolleyes:

You said that not me.

Noel Kinsella

kiffer wrote: »

Are you saying that travellers don't apply for jobs or are you saying that there is little/no discrimination against them when they do?

Either way I have no stats to hand, just years of hearing various racist employers saying they'd rather hire a black person than a traveller and only one that said they'd never hire a black person...
His position was that "african blacks couldn't be trusted. An american black person would be ok but would have friends that where black and african and would drop in more CVs so he'd have to interview and turn away more of them away, which would make him look racist" (yeah... That's what would make you "look" racist)

I agree I feel Travellers are probably the most racially discriminated against group in the country. The difference with travellers is they just "man up" in general and get on with it, they dont cry racism every chance they get. Travellers have been here for hundreds of years and just because they want to keep their culture they are victimised on a daily basis in my opinion, but yet we are having other peoples culture forced on us daily and an air hostess cant even wear a crucifix nowadays but others can go around with their face covered.

Gabriele

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

I lived in Italy and they are very racist but I think the media makes them that way every time you turn on the TV there is news of rapes by Roma Gypsies or gangs of Africans, Murder.... Robberies.... the media may be teaching the public to "HATE" or maybe they are just telling it like it is I dont know but its very bad there. I was in a groceries shop in Rome and all the Italians were picking up fruit and veg to squeeze it as they do to pick the fresh ones, a black man came in and started picking up apples to pick a nice one and the owner roared at him "dont pick up the fruit like that use the plastic gloves" but myself or the Italians were not using gloves ! It gave me a bad feeling in my stomach to be honest. But then if you arrive in Italy as a refugee you are not housed and fed and given spending money like here you are basically left to rot thats why there is so much crime and prostitution robberies etc It really pisses me off when non nationals complain about Ireland because I "KNOW" they have it good here.

I totally agree that Italy is Racist, never said otherwise, but you are confusing politics (the refugee strategy, which you got wrong because italy offers much more help than other country in EU, just inform yourself better) with the people. The fact that your corporate tax, or refugee strategies etc are allowing people to get a salary doesn't give the "locals" the right to feel superior in any way. If we discuss about politics, as italian I just feel extremely ashemed and since you have been there, well you know perfectly why, Ireland on that sense is much better, but if we talk about the mind set of the people, well it's not much better

Madam_X

It's worse in Britain but it would be utterly nonsense to say Britain is a racist country.

MagicMarker wrote: »

I would have thought it's generally accepted that Ireland is a pretty racist country, by "first world" standards.

Well I'd hope not, because that's bollocks. A racist society is one in which racism is ingrained in its culture, like Mississippi, not Ireland. A racist society is one in which discrimination is no big deal and carried out unashamedly.

This is clear just from reading boards, anyone remember when that TD declared that he would no longer deal with "Black Africans"? It was absolutely disgusting the amount of people defending him over that.

Thick keyboard warriors, not real life - and always cut to pieces by the sensible and fair-minded majority.

Of course there are dumb racist ***** in Ireland like anywhere, but does that make it a racist society, in which racism is encouraged and thrives and dissenters get punished?

The people who say Ireland is a really racist society to the core tend to be middle-class self loathing intellectual snobs who think it's really enlightened and progressive of them to claim this country has a deep-seated racist attitude. Part of the "Ireland is backward and unsophisticated" self flagellating thing that's become so fashionable.

Thats not a denial there are racist incidents of course but that even happens in bastions of tolerance unfortunately because some folks are just thick and horrible. It can be bad in holland and Scandinavia but of course they're sophisticated so let's not say they're racist societies.

Tombi!

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You said that not me.

I really didn't. I pointed it out that there's a large amount of racism (well xenophobia) towards non-Irish. But I didn't mean it to come across as all taximen are racist like that, sorry.

Well, I've still seen all sorts of races that aren't white being told to get back to their own country and called all sorts of slurs

Then there's the whole "polish are stealing our jobs" and "travellers are scum" attitude that a lot of Irish have.

I don't think we're as bad as going out trying to kill people but we're still pretty bad.

The_Kew_Tour

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well for one there's the taxi business in Ireland. Which basically has admitted that there is bullying of non-Irish drivers to get them out of the taxi ranks.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I really didn't.

You really did.

Tombi!

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You really did.

I never said all taximen were like that though. There was a documentary done and they asked a few taxi drivers and they all agreed that there's a problem with non-Irish drivers and there's a... whatever (mentality? I don't know what word to use) that non-Irish drivers shouldn't be in ranks and such.