Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

vicM

My 2c..

I'm black Kenyan and have been in this country about 4 years now.. And in that time I have experienced xenophobia maybe twice and that too over the phone as I worked in customer care.. In one of the instances it was actually a East European who called me a black f****** c**t, " I wasn't even offended( maybe I'm just thick skinned,- forgive the pun)
I honestly think there is very little racism in this country, and and if you speak cordially to most people, you will get on fine..
Happened to be India for about 4 years as well and the amount of open racism I faced was unnerving, was actually amused when Indians were up in arms when their was a spate of muggings in Oz of Indian students claiming racism
Obviously there will be racist people. In Kenya tribes discriminate against each other as well
Ireland in fact I think is very tolerant.

MaxSteele

I think it comes down to they're work ethic when compared to Eastern Europeans or orientals. There's always been an air of distrust toward black africans when it comes toward they're intentions for emigrating here or attitude to work.

Whether it's to do with scam marriages, or milking the social. You don't really get near as many complaints in regard to those things with the other ethnicities.

MaxSteele

MaxSteele wrote: »

I think it comes down to they're work ethic when compared to Eastern Europeans or orientals. There's always been an air of distrust toward black africans when it comes toward they're intentions for emigrating here or attitude to work.

Whether it's to do with scam marriages, or milking the social. You don't really get near as many complaints in regard to those things with the other ethnicities.

It hasn't been PC to call Asian people 'orientals' for a few decades.

MaxSteele

Valentina Bitter Nitpicker wrote: »

It hasn't been PC to call Asian people 'orientals' for a few decades.

I thought that was the general terms for those from the far east ? Same way we'd be called europeans.

Stinicker

An Irish view on them foreigners

MaxSteele

MaxSteele wrote: »

I thought that was the general terms for those from the far east ? Same way we'd be called europeans.

Nope...really un-PC now. It's like called a black person coloured.

Cian92

I work with Black people, Asian people, Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians and I'm probably missing a few others. The Poles and the Blacks would be the majority where I work, followed by the Irish and then the Asians.

I get on great with all of them, and I honestly couldn't fault any particular group. As the Poles are such a large group they don't often integrate that well but for the most part they get on fine. However I can tell you that they are the most racist group of people I have met (not all but especially the older Poles). I have listened to some Poles try and tell a Black man that he is stupid but if isn't his fault as all black people have smaller brains etc... Another fella spat on a guys face and called him a nig**r! The List goes on!
It seem clear to me that racism is creeping into Irish society

A friend of mine works for an Irish road building company. They won a contract to build a road in Poland. They were signs put up where they were living for the few months "IRISH LEAVE NOW YOU ARE NOT WELCOME" or "JOBS FOR POLES NOT IRISH". I think that is kind of cheeky considering that so many of them work in Ireland.

Cian92

Valentina Bitter Nitpicker wrote: »

Nope...really un-PC now. It's like called a black person coloured.

Wow I'd never have thought that calling a black person coloured was un-pc. I use the words interchangeably.

Nodin

MaxSteele wrote: »

I think it comes down to they're work ethic when compared to Eastern Europeans or orientals. There's always been an air of distrust toward black africans when it comes toward they're intentions for emigrating here or attitude to work.

Whether it's to do with scam marriages, or milking the social. You don't really get near as many complaints in regard to those things with the other ethnicities.

...doesn't mean its true.

Nodin

vicM wrote: »

My 2c..

I'm black Kenyan and have been in this country about 4 years now.. And in that time I have experienced xenophobia maybe twice and that too over the phone as I worked in customer care.. In one of the instances it was actually a East European who called me a black f****** c**t, " I wasn't even offended( maybe I'm just thick skinned,- forgive the pun)
I honestly think there is very little racism in this country, and and if you speak cordially to most people, you will get on fine..
Happened to be India for about 4 years as well and the amount of open racism I faced was unnerving, was actually amused when Indians were up in arms when their was a spate of muggings in Oz of Indian students claiming racism
Obviously there will be racist people. In Kenya tribes discriminate against each other as well
Ireland in fact I think is very tolerant.

The thing with indians mystified me for years, but apparently its to do with the whole caste thing. The lower you are in the caste system (generally) the darker your skin. Therefore dark skin is seen as a bad trait to have.

mikemac1

Everyone gets abuse in customer care

Cries of Retail thread, best thread on boards! :pac:

coolbeans

Valentina Bitter Nitpicker wrote: »

It hasn't been PC to call Asian people 'orientals' for a few decades.

There is nothing wrong with calling people from the Orient Orientals.
How is it offensive?

mikemac1

We had a thread one night and the OP looking for advice in the motorbike forum

Get a Jap bike was the advice. You won't go wrong with Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki.

Whooah, got lashed out of it for saying Jap

This isn't 1940's America

And we were praising their products

Now Nip, yeah I wouldn't say that

But Toyota is a Jap car, Honda is a Jap bike and both are great :cool:

Sand

I was watching the RTE news at 6pm and I was somewhat disturbed by their interview with a lawyer in Limerick in relation to this report. She was agreeing with the findings, and noted that when black Africans went to a hotel they would be asked "What do you want?" instead of being asked "What can I do to help you?"

I sincerely hoped she was just the victim of poor editing of a wider point she was trying to make because at best its anecdotal, and its an *extremely* low threshold for evidence of racism. If that is the threshold being applied I've been the unknowing victim of rampant racial abuse.

There is certainly racism in Ireland - plenty of Asian shop owners and workers get dogs abuse from junkies and lowlifes. There is certainly a tendency to over-focus on cases of Irish racism, ironically enough because we're Irish so clearly anything Irish is vastly more important just because it happened in Ireland. Are we the most terribly racist people in the world - no.

Boskowski

I don't think Ireland is a racist country - if there is such a thing.

For starters there aren't skinhead gangs roaming trying to turn entire regions into no go areas for blacks, arabs, anyone different. Yet there are in my home country.
Only now the Bundesgerichtshof turned over an acquittance of a police officer by a local court. That police officer was on duty when a black fella supposedly burned himself to death in a holding cell only the black guy was actually restrained to his bed and searched before put to bed. I say he was 'on duty' cos nothing else can be proven but when they examined the charred remains they found the black guy had his nose broken etc. Oh and the police offer did override the fire alarm three times which he couldn't conceal cos it was logged in the system. I say no more. The local court found the police officer innocent.
This is what you're up against in some parts of Germany. Mississippi Burning stuff that is.

I wouldn't say anything like that would happen in Ireland. Ireland and Irish people are really pretty friendly and I feel welcome here tbh.

I would concede there may probably a bit of underhand, subtle racism against African immigrants.

I remember when I was not long in the country however I attended a Fianna Fail Christmas do being brought along by my girlfriend. I was 'inspected' by the old-timers as the German arrival and then one of them says not even quietly to the guy next to him 'ah well, at least he's not fvckin black'

Boskowski

Boskowski wrote: »

I don't think Ireland is a racist country - if there is such a thing.

For starters there aren't skinhead gangs roaming trying to turn entire regions into no go areas for blacks, arabs, anyone different. Yet there are in my home country.
Only now the Bundesgerichtshof turned over an acquittance of a police officer by a local court. That police officer was on duty when a black fella supposedly burned himself to death in a holding cell only the black guy was actually restrained to his bed and searched before put to bed. I say he was 'on duty' cos nothing else can be proven but when they examined the charred remains they found the black guy had his nose broken etc. Oh and the police offer did override the fire alarm three times which he couldn't conceal cos it was logged in the system. I say no more. The local court found the police officer innocent.
This is what you're up against in some parts of Germany. Mississippi Burning stuff that is.

I wouldn't say anything like that would happen in Ireland. Ireland and Irish people are really pretty friendly and I feel welcome here tbh.

I would concede there may probably a bit of underhand, subtle racism against African immigrants.

I remember when I was not long in the country however I attended a Fianna Fail Christmas do being brought along by my girlfriend. I was 'inspected' by the old-timers as the German arrival and then one of them says not even quietly to the guy next to him 'ah well, at least he's not fvckin black'

Got a link to that case? I've come across a few things about Germany with immigration that I don't like, generally they don't like to give someone citizenship unless they can prove a familial connection to German lands back in the day.

mikemac1

Sure it's the same here

You can get married, move to a parish in the next county and 30 years later the locals will still call you a blow in

coolbeans

coolbeans wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with calling people from the Orient Orientals.
How is it offensive?

It just is! It's an outdated term that is now considered offensive. Anyone in in the UK or US knows this. I was born in the UK in the 80s and remember being told in primary school that things are oriental and people are Asian/East Asian. When I hear someone using the term oriental to describe a person, it makes me think of some snobby Hyacinth Bucket type. It actually shocks me when I go back to visit Ireland and hear people still using the terms oriental and coloured.

vicM

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The thing with indians mystified me for years, but apparently its to do with the whole caste thing. The lower you are in the caste system (generally) the darker your skin. Therefore dark skin is seen as a bad trait to have.[/Quote]

True but the 'southerners' who are traditionally darker skinned, - are now the more affluent with the rise of bangalore, chennai etc and this wealth is eroding the whole lower caste mentality
But it's so entrenched In the psyche, " I don't think it will make much of a difference tbh

Boskowski

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a link to that case? I've come across a few things about Germany with immigration that I don't like, generally they don't like to give someone citizenship unless they can prove a familial connection to German lands back in the day.

I can't comment on German immigration laws as I'm not familiar with them but the story is as horrific as it gets. Makes you want to go on a killing spree in a certain German police station.
Google 'Oury Jalloh' and 'Dessau' thats the name of the chap and town where it happened.

PizzamanIRL

Racism is disgusting. Just because you're here in your own country and you see foreigners coming in doesn't mean you can look down on them. If you were in another country you wouldn't like to be treated like that.

Most racists are hypocrites. They'd say something about foreigners in general without actually knowing the people but then they have friends who are foreigners and they get on with them because they actually got to know them.

Childs play really.

coolbeans

Valentina Bitter Nitpicker wrote: »

It just is! It's an outdated term that is now considered offensive. Anyone in in the UK or US knows this. I was born in the UK in the 80s and remember being told in primary school that things are oriental and people are Asian/East Asian. When I hear someone using the term oriental to describe a person, it makes me think of some snobby Hyacinth Bucket type. It actually shocks me when I go back to visit Ireland and hear people still using the terms oriental and coloured.

Bollox. I suspect I am somewhat younger than you and therefore may not share your perspective but calling someone oriental is not offensive. Coloured yes, as it implies a default position of white and that the blacks were "coloured in" but not oriental. The term pertains to geographical position relative to the west. No way will I preclude using it just cos it is so in your mind and may have been used disparagingly by old racists. Letting idiots control the language like that just lets the racists win. Screw that.

Piliger

coolbeans wrote: »

Bollox. I suspect I am somewhat younger than you and therefore may not share your perspective but calling someone oriental is not offensive. Coloured yes, as it implies a default position of white and that the blacks were "coloured in" but not oriental. The term pertains to geographical position relative to the west. No way will I preclude using it just cos it is so in your mind and may have been used disparagingly by old racists. Letting idiots control the language like that just lets the racists win. Screw that.

I agree with your statement about language control. Oriental is a perfectly normal inoffensive word - as is coloured. Only the pathetically obsessed get into a twist over words. It's actions that matter.

end of the road

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'm not a racist at all but

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0ph0rce0 wrote: »

If you don't like where you are then go home and bitch there.

or just stop being racist, then they shouldn't bitch.
for the record usually anyone who comes out with "i'm not a racist but" more then litely is exactly that. a racist doesn't want to be known or thought of as being one, if your genuinley not one you won't care if anyone thinks you are, and you won't be afraid to express your opinion, nor will you try justifying it by saying "i'm not racist but"

Piliger

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'm not a racist at all but really, if your going to move to another country, Don't be bitching, your here for a reason, and its obvious cause your country either has no hope for you in say work and that or its a ****hole.

If you don't like where you are then go home and bitch there.

Not a racist perhaps ... but a bigot nonetheless.

Oranage2

I love how white people get offended by the words oriental and coloured - has anybody asked the race in question op do white people know best?

happyoutscan

Nothing to add to the OP in genera (I'm sick of these)l, but I'm a bit miffed at the 'German' thing the last few posts.

coolbeans

Piliger wrote: »

I agree with your statement about language control. Oriental is a perfectly normal inoffensive word - as is coloured. Only the pathetically obsessed get into a twist over words. It's actions that matter.

To be honest I do think words matter as they are the basis for ideas which lead to actions. I wouldn't use coloured for reasons outlined but I wouldn't automatically attack the use of it either. It's inelegant, inaccurate and patronizing in my opinion and implies that white is normal and black less normal if you get my drift. However it was a normal term used on on this parochial island. Its use should not be held to the same criticism as it might be in the UK or the US with their somewhat sordid histories when it comes to race relations.

coolbeans

Oranage2 wrote: »

I love how white people get offended by the words oriental and coloured - has anybody asked the race in question op do white people know best?

Some people like to be offended on behalf of others.

mikemac1

How did the Irish speakers manage to turn black man into fear gorm? :pac: