400m Swim TT - shave off those seconds!

Kurt Godel

A sort of challenge to track how swimmers progress over the next six months. The idea is simple, you TT 400m swim once (or more) a month, and write a bit about training, stroke tips, etc, to help others learn from your progress. Cut and paste yourself into the table below.:)

Name|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|6:50|||||||
AN Other|x:xx|||||||


25m pool, I want to go as close to 6:00 as I can. Never do drills, so I hope to introduce them, as well as coached lessons, in January.

tunney

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|6:50|25m||||||
AN Other|x:xx|100||||||

Kurt Godel

tunney wrote: »

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|6:50|25m||||||
AN Other|x:xx|100||||||

Why would you bother tunney? If you've a point to make, just make it. Your cryptic points generally aren't that interesting to spend the effort deciphering them.

tunney

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Why would you bother tunney? If you've a point to make, just make it. Your cryptic points generally aren't that interesting to spend the effort deciphering them.

Sorry no point. I have my own table of PBs and I track pool length in it too.

I'll be in a 25m but if I do a 1:30 and MCOS does a 1:30 in UL then its not *quite* the same.

Sorry didn't think the addition of a column warranted my usual drivel.

I'm meant to be doing a 400m TT tonight if i can get out of work before 8pm. Timely post

Kurt Godel

tunney wrote: »

Sorry no point. I have my own table of PBs and I track pool length in it too.

I'll be in a 25m but if I do a 1:30 and MCOS does a 1:30 in UL then its not *quite* the same.

Sorry didn't think the addition of a column warranted my usual drivel.

I'm meant to be doing a 400m TT tonight if i can get out of work before 8pm. Timely post

Right, sorry, I get you now. I didn't put in a LC or SC column because I didn't really want it to focus as a comparison chart between posters, more of a measure of individual progress. Maybe people can add (25m) or (50m) after their name if they like though? And a bit of comment on what is working for you, as the times improve, will be of benefit for everyone looking to improve.

tunney

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Right, sorry, I get you now. I didn't put in a LC or SC column because I didn't really want it to focus as a comparison chart between posters, more of a measure of individual progress. Maybe people can add (25m) or (50m) after their name if they like though? And a bit of comment on what is working for you, as the times improve, will be of benefit for everyone looking to improve.

Makes sense.

But I know as well alot of Boardsies (at least the lucky ones) swim LC and SC as have two pools! So two PBs if they are anal about it.

pgibbo

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
AN Other|x:xx|100||||||

Kurt Godel

tunney wrote: »

Makes sense.

But I know as well alot of Boardsies (at least the lucky ones) swim LC and SC as have two pools! So two PBs if they are anal about it.

Sure, stick LC or SC after times, if you like? Or add another column, I don't mind at all, whatever is an improvement. The main idea is to get a bit of useful discussion going (and I guess as well the bit of public competition will serve a useful function too:)

BTH

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||


Actually done on 15th November, but that'll have to be my December number as I won't be re-testing this month anyway.

interested

BTH wrote: »

Actually done on 15th November, but that'll have to be my December number as I won't be re-testing this month anyway.

really ?

BTH

interested wrote: »

really ?

A random quote from a certain swim coach last Monday.

"We're beyond doing 400m TTs"

promethius

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June

Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||

great idea, this got me in this evening to do one and will keep everyone pushing. thanks

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||


A 6 sec improvement on my last tt, not good enough and not reflective of where i thought i was at. I will be retesting in one of my swims this week or next. A number of contributing factors.

Bambaata

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||


An 8 second improvement on one done in August. Happy enough. I didnt swim it right though clocking too fast a time for the opening 100m. 1 toe started bloody cramping then too so had to ease off the kicking for about 50m with that leg. Happy though to take some time off the last one as im only back swimming regularly about 5 weeks, although ive been swimming better than ever in that few weeks.

griffin100

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||

Was hoping for closer to 7.10 - taking 10 secs off your 400m time from 4 months ago is not really good progress at this level. That equates to faster turns more so than faster swimming.

Excuses? Last time I tested I was a couple of weeks out from an IM; at the minute I'm a couple of weeks away from forgetting how to swim!

First 2 x 100m splits were the exact same as last time I tested. Didn't get a third 100m split but swam the last 200m 10 secs faster than last TT. A small positive.


Was in awe of Bambatta and Tango doing their 400m TT. Feckers don't look like they are working any harder than I am and I'm pretty sure I'm swimming the same as they are ; but the stroke count gives a lot a way - Tango was covering the 25m in about 7-9 strokes less than I was. A lot of progress to be made me thinks!!

shotgunmcos

tunney wrote: »

I'll be in a 25m but if I do a 1:30 and MCOS does a 1:30 in UL then its not *quite* the same.

What do you consider the variance to be?

EC1000

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
AN Other|100|x:xx||||||

Good job its only december... Lots of work to do!

Oryx

We never do 400m tt's, but Ill give one a shot next session. I already know Im bottom of the league, but I can take the shame.

peter kern

Oryx wrote: »

We never do 400m tt's, but Ill give one a shot next session. I already know Im bottom of the league, but I can take the shame.

what test sets do you do ?

Oryx

peter kern wrote: »

what test sets do you do ?

100, 750, 1500

shotgunmcos

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||

griffin100

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||

Thought I might as well set a LC marker. Started off well - first 100m in 1.41 (fastest ever for LC); next 300m all at 1.57-58ish pace :rolleyes:. Pretty obvious that fitness is my biggest limiter (if you exclude my inability to swim). I really should be able to hold 1.50ish per 100m pace for the full 400m rather than dying a death like that. Hopefully if I return to proper training in January for a Spring Marathon the increased fitness will transfer to better times in the pool.

shotgunmcos

griffin100 wrote: »

Thought I might as well set a LC marker....

15 secs between SC and LC? Would you say you gave them both as good an effort? How did you find the TT in the LC vs SC?

griffin100

I always assume 4-5 secs between LC and SC times for 100m so it's around what I expected.

Did I give it as much as the last one? I tried to, but its hard to replicate the pressure of doing a TT in front of a group (and with JB in the next lane ) when you have an entire olympic size pool to yourself.

I find the 50m a much harder swim, one turn per 100m as opposed to three in a 25m gives less time for resting and pushing off the wall. I think swimming in 50m does give a better return. I trained for my first two IM's in a 20m pool and the bigger pool is fantastic. I keep meaning to go do some 100m repeats in a smaller pool and see how my times have improved over last year (if they have!)

Chartsengrafs

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||

I've a list of excuses the length of my arm but my time is what it is. At least this got me back in the pool. Looking forward to big improvements.

Solobally8

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||
Solobally8|25m|9:38||||||

No laughing!!

Dory Dory

I may have to jump in here this spring when my pool is open...but I'll have to convert yards to meters and then post it in a 20 yard pool!!!

verbatim92

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||
Solobally8|25m|9:38||||||
Verbatim92|25m|7:05||||||

Did this test last week after xmas when calculating my CSS to work off. Down from around 8 minutes during the summer and not too much proper swim work done since so fairly happen with starting point for this year.

MrCreosote

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||
Solobally8|25m|9:38||||||
Verbatim92|25m|7:05||||||
MrCreosote|25m||7.06|||||

I'd be very happy to get it down to 6:30 or so this year.

mickmc7

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||
Solobally8|25m|9:38||||||
Verbatim92|25m|7:05||||||
MrCreosote|25m||7.06|||||
MickMc|25m||7.28|||||


I don't use fins or pull buoys or any of that, just do different sets of lengths. Aiming to take a minute off if I can.

Fazz

Name|Pool Length|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June
Kurt Godel|25m|6:50||||||
pgibbo|25m|6:38||||||
BTH|25m|5:53||||||
Promethius|25m|5:04||||||
Jackyback|25m|7:28||||||
Bambaata|25m|5:40||||||
Griffin100|25m|7:20||||||
Griffin100|50m|7:35||||||
EC1000|25m|7:14||||||
shotgunmcos|50m|5:42||||||
Basster|25m|7:50||||||
Solobally8|25m|9:38||||||
Verbatim92|25m|7:05||||||
MrCreosote|25m||7.06|||||
MickMc|25m||7.28|||||
Fazz|25m|5:50||||||


Went out too hard in 1:21, gave away precious seconds.