Sexism at it's most extreme

titan18

desertcircus wrote: »

Next: Manny Pacquaio wouldn't last two minutes against Vitali Klitschko, so what's the point of weight classes in boxing? What a moronically stupid argument, not to mention incredibly offensive to both female and Paralympic athletes. Why do we have weight classes in combat sports, or age grades in pretty much any sports? Because it creates a fair basis for competition.

As for the mooted idea about women being overpaid relative to their output: a single-digit percentage difference in world-class performances in a physical contest has about as much relevance to productivity in the average workplace as the relationship between ambient temperature and the number of millimetres below my body that my left testicle hangs at.

Whilst the thing about having women compete in the Paralympics was harsh, there is a point about women receiving equal money to men in sport. Even taking away the performance gaps that exist, there's a difference in the amount of people actually interested. How many people actually watch male events, such as 100m (considering it's one of the bigger events in the athletics program), mens Wimbledon final etc in comparison to the women's version. The pay should be appropriate to not only the performance level of the athletes (although much like weight classes, it's hard to make a huge difference in pay through this) but also on the amount they affect viewership (either TV or the amount people are paying to get in to the event)

Hippies!

Why do we allow men to compete in a 100m sprint when clearly a greyhound or horse is much faster.

Kangaroos for jumping

Dolphins for swimming

Monkies for gymnastics

Deer for marathons

Oxen for wrestling

Humans are the problem, with their stupid faces bleeeeeeh

joydivision

Hippies! wrote: »

Why do we allow men to compete in a 100m sprint when clearly a greyhound or horse is much faster.

Kangaroos for jumping

Dolphins for swimming

Monkies for gymnastics

Deer for marathons

Oxen for wrestling

Humans are the problem, with their stupid faces bleeeeeeh

Are you suggesting we make dolphins race . Thats pretty extreme . You cant even bring an elephant to the circus anymore without complaints . But I got your back man .

bluecode

You only have to read the website that goes with this video to see where this is all coming from. Bet all you guys out there never realised how oppressed you are. Apparently it's not enough that us men dominate the world of money, sport, politics and all the rest.

Apparently that's not enough and we need to put women back in their place. The kitchen probably.

He seems like a rather bitter man. Bet his favourite sport is watching hunky scantily dressed men racing around a field kicking a ball.

pickarooney

Why have running races at all when the fastest man in the world can't keep up with even a cheap hatchback?

Hippies!

joydivision wrote: »

Are you suggesting we make dolphins race . Thats pretty extreme . You cant even bring an elephant to the circus anymore without complaints . But I got your back man .

Elephants for the shot put :pac:

General Relativity

bluecode wrote: »

Apparently it's not enough that us men dominate the world of money, sport, politics and all the rest.

In most western countries there are NO barriers to entry for women, so it's nobody’s fault but women’s. I always hear people crying that there aren't enough women scientists, engineers, politicians, etc. Boo-fucking-hoo, if you're a women and have a problem with it get a degree in Science or engineering, run in the next election yourself, do something instead of complaining about it.

In regard to the video, I'd be in favour of women competing alongside men in all competitions. Awh no women qualified for the 100m? So what, get better.

--Kaiser--

'Women belong in the paralympics'
I nearly pissed myself when I heard him say that

Dolbert

Girls are smelly.

AnonoBoy

So he's making a video saying that men are faster and stronger than women?

Does he think everyone doesn't know this already?



So he thinks everyone should compete together and let women only get on teams if they're able for it?

What a fool.



He seems to think that his 'analysis' of qualifying times is somehow ground-breaking!

Why not have women's sports? What's the f*cking problem?

Some people really need a good hard laughing at.

--Kaiser--

Reminded of an exchange from Calvin and Hobbs

Calvin "Do you like being a girl?"
Susie "Its gotta be better than the alternative."
Calvin "Whats it like? Is it like being a bug?"
Susie "Like a WHAT?"
Calvin "I imagine bugs and girls have a dim perception that nature played a crual trick on them, but they lack the intelligence to really comprehend the magnitude of it."

Da Shins Kelly

joydivision wrote: »

Not true . As a plumber working in peoples houses for years I have seen mothers at work . I am now a stay at home father of three and I am better than any I have seen in action . I dont get in a strop with them for the littlest of reasons and spend my time teaching them about life and actually playing with them . They are very balanced and popular children well behaved too .
I think men make better child minders than women . Well 50 /50 anyway .

You're probably a little bit biased.

Also, the point was that women's IQs are increasing at a faster rate because they tend to be mothers and home-makers and also pursue careers. It's not talking about whether they're good at it or not, but that this is the reason they have caught up with men and subsequently passed them. Previously, it would have been the mothers staying at home with the children and keeping the home, and the fathers would go out and work. Now the roles are shared which is the explanation for increasing intelligence. Also probably has something to do with women in the modern world being allowed to pursue anything they like to their fullest potential without being held back.

ConfusedLepton

titan18 wrote: »

How many people actually watch male events, such as [...] mens Wimbledon final etc in comparison to the women's version.

Tennis is a bad example. I only found American viewer numbers but they had:

Mens:
2011 - 2.6million
2010 - 2.3million
2009 - 5.7million

Womens:
2011 - 2.2million
2010 - 2.2million
2009 - 3.2million

They actually used to make the argument with tennis that men should get paid more because they have to play 5 sets where women only have to play 3 - like they're on the clock or something!

Surely it is not surprising that people like to watch hot young girls grunting around the court though is it. I'm sure womens beach volleyball has much higher viewers than mens too ...if there even is a mens beach volleyball!

DEFTLEFTHAND

Like what has been pointed out already we know male athletes are physically superior to women, the facts don't lie but why would this ever matter when they don't compete together. The video's only purpose is to stir up trouble.

titan18

ConfusedLepton wrote: »

Tennis is a bad example. I only found American viewer numbers but they had:

Mens:
2011 - 2.6million
2010 - 2.3million
2009 - 5.7million

Womens:
2011 - 2.2million
2010 - 2.2million
2009 - 3.2million

They actually used to make the argument with tennis that men should get paid more because they have to play 5 sets where women only have to play 3 - like they're on the clock or something!

Surely it is not surprising that people like to watch hot young girls grunting around the court though is it. I'm sure womens beach volleyball has much higher viewers than mens too ...if there even is a mens beach volleyball!

http://www.tennistweets.com/blog/24/2009-wimbledon-facts-and-figures.php

2009 Wimbledon

* Wimbledon Men’s Singles Final: Roger Federer’s victory over Andy Roddick was watched by a peak audience of 11.2m (6.25pm) viewers on BBC One.

* Ladies’ Singles Final between Serena and Venus Williams was watched by a peak audience of 4.2m (with the match averaging 3.4m)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0630/1224319039408.html

Independent research revealed and by way of comparison that a debenture ticket for Centre Court next Saturday (women’s final) costs £850 (€1,050), while the following day (men’s final) it is an eye-watering £3,500

Quite big differences there

fasttalkerchat

pom pom snaz peeler wrote: »

its all factual... certainly the results/times speak for them selves..... ive never though of it that way but when you see olympic winners running similar times or even worse than juniors it does make you think...... but women do have a disadvantage in terms of strength.......

Synchronised swimming. Gymnastics. Extreme ironing. There are probably more exceptions.

AnonoBoy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Like what has been pointed out already we know male athletes are physically superior to women, the facts don't lie but why would this ever matter when they don't compete together. The video's only purpose is to stir up trouble.

I wouldn't say that's it's only purpose. I think it's also being created to show how much of a gobsh*te the maker of it is.

Solair

Women aren't physically as strong, but they are every bit as good at sports and there is definitely increasing interest in certain women's sports.

The issue is that the media has historically not taken women's sports very seriously so they never really get the coverage or the sponsorship.

Tennis and athletics are the only areas where you're seeing huge change in that.

I don't think Irish attitudes are quite as backwards as some countries though, although no where is great.

We've a few major female sports figures, Katy Taylor being the most recent.

big_joe_joyce

Solair wrote: »

Women aren't physically as strong, but they are every bit as good at sports and there is definitely increasing interest in certain women's sports.

The issue is that the media has historically not taken women's sports very seriously so they never really get the coverage or the sponsorship.

Tennis and athletics are the only areas where you're seeing huge change in that.

I don't think Irish attitudes are quite as backwards as some countries though, although no where is great.

We've a few major female sports figures, Katy Taylor being the most recent.

how can you say women are every bit as good at sports , would serena williams beat nadal or federer in a game of tennis , would the arsenals womens team beat the mens team

Robroy36

Women should be allowed in the Olympics. All events should be completely open, i.e no discrimination between sexes and weight etc. If they qualify - grand if they don't then tough.

Robroy36

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

how can you say women are every bit as good at sports , would serena williams beat nadal or federer in a game of tennis , would the arsenals womens team beat the mens team

Probally because she is a woman, so she has a vested intrest. Also, women base their judgement and opinions on emotion/feelings rather than objective fact, as we see here. This is also why you rarely see women in charge of large corporations.

JustAThought

It was very funny ; but made you think!!
Yiu've got to laugh at the logical progressions ; my guess is that it was a debating project for a school. Very funny.

The disabled bit was implying that it was unfair in the disabled athletes not to receive the big prize pots that women or men can get; as the disabled male athletes times were often ( allegedly) as good as the women's - despite them missing limbs ; and getting very low cash prizes in comparison with the same results !

Funny stuff.!

Obese gymnastics!!! WhaHaha

Jimoslimos

I watch sports based on their entertainment factor and competitiveness, not by the gender of the participants.

Men's tennis is 'better' at the moment because the top players are playing to a consistently high standard, unlike the women's game. However 15 years ago it could be argued that women's game was far more entertaining and competitive than the Sampras dominated era.

I'd rank a women's medal in boxing rather lowly in the list of Olympic achievements (sorry Katie) because participant numbers are low, but I'd rate a women's 5000m track medal as far superior to a men's one in BMX/sailing/<insert niche sport here> for the same reason.

NegativeCreep

I agree with everything he says. Apart from the whole "women should compete with the disabled" thing. Women and men should compete together in everything and the best person will win.

Me_Grapes

titan18 wrote: »

http://www.tennistweets.com/blog/24/2009-wimbledon-facts-and-figures.php

2009 Wimbledon

* Wimbledon Men’s Singles Final: Roger Federer’s victory over Andy Roddick was watched by a peak audience of 11.2m (6.25pm) viewers on BBC One.

* Ladies’ Singles Final between Serena and Venus Williams was watched by a peak audience of 4.2m (with the match averaging 3.4m)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0630/1224319039408.html



Quite big differences there

How many rap songs has Snoop Doggy Dogg made about Novak Djokovic though?

Solair

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

how can you say women are every bit as good at sports , would serena williams beat nadal or federer in a game of tennis , would the arsenals womens team beat the mens team

Coz they're competing against other women. It's a bit stupid to just assume men and women have the same muscle power, they don't, that's just how it is.


That doesn't mean they're any worse at sport FFS!

Although in sports where it's not all about raw muscle power, I'd say you could mix it and see what happens.

Would be interesting to see how a mixed soccer team did at seriously high level. Most of that's about skill and speed, not power.

Just means you're not comparing like with like.

Anyway, still prefer watching the women's tennis and I'm a bloke.

I just think a lot of this sexism stuff is a pile of manure tho.

Me_Grapes

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

would the arsenals womens team beat the mens team

Probably would.....

ahnowbrowncow

There's only one way to decide this, have a war. Men vs Women.

Good news: We solve the argument of which gender is better.

Bad news: No more heterosexual sex

Da Shins Kelly

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Men's tennis is 'better' at the moment because the top players are playing to a consistently high standard, unlike the women's game. However 15 years ago it could be argued that women's game was far more entertaining and competitive than the Sampras dominated era.

It's a golden era for men's tennis at the moment since Roger Federer pretty much set a new standard. Women's tennis isn't quite as good right now, but it has had its moments and the matches are often quite close and can be very exciting to watch.

Solair

Yeah, mens tennis went through a very grey period though where it was all just boring power serves. At least it's a bit more interesting now.

Women's tennis was always far tighter matches and far more rallying and had more colourful characters.

I do think though that a lot of this stuff is perpetuated by some women themselves too. There's still a bit of a culture out there where some women make out that they can't do sports coz they're female, rather than they're just an individual who is useless at sport and there's also still a tendency for the sporty chick to get mocked by her peers.

That kinda stuff is also a large part of why women's sports are not up there with mens sports.

Also, if women's magazines and other female-orientated publications iconified female sports figures the way mainstream male-oriented sports publications do for male sport stars, then there would be a hell of a lot more sponsorship and spend on women's sports.

As it stands, women's publications tend to be fixated on hair, makeup, fashion and clothes. You can't really blame men on that one.