New rimfire round

Boiled-egg

Anyone know anything about winchester's new rimfire round. Think it's due out in the US early in 2013

marlin vs

Its a secret.
http://www.huntingclub.com/blogs/articletype/articleview/articleid/14630/winchester-will-unveil-game-changing-rimfire-cartridge#.UNGKcaxV53f

dev110

There are a few different calibres being mentioned.

.25 mag
14 cal on a HM2 case
14 cal on a HMR case
17 cal HMR Hyper (light bullet) velocity
20 cal 5mm case Hyper (light bullet) velocity
19 cal 5mm case Hyper (light bullet) velocity

It will be an interesting calibre when it is released but will it be needed with the .22lr, .17 hmr, .17 hornet & .22 wmr?

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f21/new-rimfire-caliber-winchester-78332/
http://www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20650

J. Ramone

Whatever the shape, the key factor will be wind drift at extended ranges as that is the achilles heel of rimfires for varmint shooting/pest control. If it's an improvement on the HMR, it could be a hit.

J. Ramone

The money seems to be on a beefier 17. Hope no-one has gone out and bought the 17 hornet.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2363878

Hibrion

If it hits the states in 2013 we'll be lucky to see it by the end of the decade! It does sound promising though.

rowa

Designed by the marketing people to shift new rifles and get winchesters name in the shooting magazines. Just like the wsm and wssm rounds were going to render everthing else obsolete, didn't happen.

tac foley

Ideal for gnat hunting.

tac

tomcat220t

It will most likely be some kind of 30gr-32gr 20 cal rimfire round ,imo.
If the quoted figures suggested are accurate ,it would be a good contender to the new 17 hornet .All that at rimfire prices :cool:
Regards ,Tomcat .

rowa

Meh, Its been tried before, 40 years ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_mm_Remington_Rimfire_Magnum

Longranger

Think I'll stick to my hmr. If I want a bit more poke I'll break out the .223,it's not too expensive to feed, and IMO there's no way winchester can get all that extra performance from a new rimfire without a fairly big price jump from the hmr. Just my 2c.
LR

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

Meh, Its been tried before, 40 years ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_mm_Remington_Rimfire_Magnum

Hi rowa,only time will tell what caliber it ends up .
Regards ,Tomcat.

rowa

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi rowa,only time will tell what caliber it ends up .
Regards ,Tomcat.

Yes but what will it do that an air rifle or .22short/long/long rifle , .22 mag , .17hmr , .22hornet , .221 fireball , .222 rem, .223 rem etc etc can't ?

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

Yes but what will it do that an air rifle or .22short/long/long rifle , .22 mag , .17hmr , .22hornet , .221 fireball , .222 rem, .223 rem etc etc can't ?

Hi rowa,hard to tell what it will exactly do when we dont even know that it is, yet :P
The biggest animal to shoot on a rimfire in ireland is Mr fox .
If this rimfire has near x2 the hitting power @250 yards than any other rimfire then i would say it could be a cheap viable foxing round out to 150+ yards and rabbits out to 300+ yards .
Now ,that interests IF that was the case.
Regards ,Tomcat.

rowa

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi rowa,hard to tell what it will exactly do when we dont even know that it is, yet :P
The biggest animal to shoot on a rimfire in ireland is Mr fox .
If this rimfire has near x2 the hitting power @250 yards than any other rimfire then i would say it could be a cheap viable foxing round out to 150+ yards and rabbits out to 300+ yards .
Now ,that interests IF that was the case.
Regards ,Tomcat.

According to good ol google , its going to be a .17 wsm (winchester super magnum) firing a 25 grain bullet. So basically its a puffed up .17hmr.

http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

According to good ol google , its going to be a .17 wsm (winchester super magnum) firing a 25 grain bullet. So basically its a puffed up .17hmr.

http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/

Hi rowa,that answers that so ,cheers .
.17 WSM Vs 17 Hornet ....run the ballistics;)
.17 WSM 25gr @3000 fps B/C g1 .230
.17 Hornet 15.5gr@3870 fps B/C g1 .115
A little more than a 17hmr .
Regards ,Tomcat.

Longranger

Any sign? Supposed to be released today.....

rowa

Longranger wrote: »

Any sign? Supposed to be released today.....

This is ireland , you'd be lucky to see them before next christmas.

Hunter21

Winchester are probably more worried about meeting the massive rise in demand for ammo in the U.S. at the minute then making press releases about a new calibre

tac foley

J. Ramone wrote: »

The money seems to be on a beefier 17. Hope no-one has gone out and bought the 17 hornet.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2363878

Somebody on another thread has been recommended to do just that.....

NOBODY here in yUK that I know has bought one.

tac

dev110

I wouldn't hold my breath for the new calibre. Winchester say it will be released early in 2013 which could be February before it gets released.

I say it will most likely be released at the Shot Show in Las Vagas which is the 15-18th January.

minktrapper

Anyone find out what the new Winchester rimfire round is.

Ziggieire

http://www.petersenshunting.com/2013/01/02/introducing-the-new-17-winchester-super-magnum/

It wasn't me!

Y'know, I wasn't exactly buzzed when I saw this at first, but that actually looks quite interesting. However, looking at the case design, is it going to be a unique base diameter (and therefore firing pin location)? If so, that's going to mean it never takes off, since you couldn't just rebarrel existing rimfires for it, and similarly, no rifle in .17 WSM (ill-fated acronym too!) could be rebarrelled in any other cartridge unless they make a line of suped-up rimfires on the same case diameter. Would love to play with one though for a bit, even if I think it's probably dead in conception.

Longranger

Looks ok but I'd love to know the cost of a box of 50. I don't think I'll be trading in the hmr any time soon......

garv123

A rimfire that can throw a 20gr bullet 700fps faster than the hmr can with a 20gr sounds impressive.

Will all come down to ammo pricing.

the hmr is about 32-35c a pop, 40-45c wouldn't be too unreasonable if it lives up to the performance promised

rowa

garv123 wrote: »

A rimfire that can throw a 20gr bullet 700fps faster than the hmr can with a 20gr sounds impressive.

Will all come down to ammo pricing.

the hmr is about 32-35c a pop, 40-45c wouldn't be too unreasonable if it lives up to the performance promised

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

garv123

rowa wrote: »

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It does but without reloading its in the same price range as a .223 and why would you want less performance and range on foxes for a caliber of the same price.
And reloading would take 1000's of rounds to become cheaper by the time the price of the reloading gear is paid off.

tomcat220t

rowa wrote: »

The .17 hornet seems good too , it might be ideal if reloading were permitted here, as well as the option of rebarreling cheap shot out .22 hornets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSqOdrYrNdA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hi Rowa, cant see the .17 hornet been a big hit over here .
Regards,Tomcat

minktrapper

Anyone see what the case diameter is.Ideal for the Sako Quad if they introduce a new barrell.

rowa

minktrapper wrote: »

Anyone see what the case diameter is.Ideal for the Sako Quad if they introduce a new barrell.

Winchester say its developed from their .27 nail gun cartridge so guessing .27 necked down , its longer than the hmr though.