Waterford to New Ross to be revived

CaptainFreedom

deegs2 wrote: »

out of steam "yes" got off our arse's and made an effort to change things instead of sitting on your FAT arse's giving out about every little thing...would you folks on here (the moner's and begrudgers) ider get a girlfriend or get a life.....rant over..chow

Reality hurts, the fact is you were never going to get anywhere. Judging by your attitude here and elsewhere this was a deadcert

corktina

I'm sorry I re-opened this debate. Mis-guided as it appeared it might have been our best hope of a full-size preserved line in the Republic. :-(

deegs2

sorry lads my comment was solely aimed at a comment gobnaitolunacy made..gets my blood boiling....a total of 28 thousand was spent on clearing the entire line to access the state of the line and after clearing it, it was clear that 85% of the line would need replacing...so thats where we are....

corktina

Actually I expect we could have told you that. The rails and the fittings might be usable, but it would all need to be taken up and re-sleepered, re-ballasted the drains sorted out etc. €28000 wasted (unless it becomes a footpath which I thought the point of the survey was.

I wouldn't let that put you off if you are serious. I recommend you read "Railway adventure" by Tom Rolt about the birth of preservation and the state the Talyllyn was in on purchase...and that was still running!

The one thing you need more than anything is Volunteers. You can't do it by expecting someone else to do it, you can only get in there and roll up your sleeves. Money can be got, Labour is a scarcer resource.

PS there is a HUGE sale of Narrow Guage and other locos in South Africa going on at the moment, maybe a good source of stuff, see the Welsh Highland Railway for inspiration (and they got that don largely with Grants.... just a thought

Losty Dublin

deegs2 wrote: »

sorry lads my comment was solely aimed at a comment gobnaitolunacy made..gets my blood boiling....a total of 28 thousand was spent on clearing the entire line to access the state of the line and after clearing it, it was clear that 85% of the line would need replacing...so thats where we are....

Putting on my curious hat on here for a minute.

1) Who exactly are the "we" that you speak of? What group is it; what is their name, who is it comprised of, who is their chairman, what are their aims, where are you based, who can join etc?

I ask this as somebody who is involved in preservation circles here for a number of years and as of yet I, and many others whom I know (Some of whom will know more than me) have very little idea about what is meant to be going on in the New Ross area.

2) Are you a member of this group? And if so, have you got an executive or specific role within the group?

3) Have CIE, Irish Rail, RPSI and the RSC been dealing with you on a formal or semi formal level?

I ask these questions in the interest of allowing you to establish some credentials about your group in a more positive and friendlier setting and to allow us all to see if we are in a position to help you.

Cyberbeagle

Can I just say on a purely personal POV, but if regauging a standard gauge line to narrow gauge was indeed a serious proposal, can I declare "groan"?

jca

Cyberbeagle wrote: »

Can I just say on a purely personal POV, but if regauging a standard gauge line to narrow gauge was indeed a serious proposal, can I declare "groan"?

Very expensive too. Even a euro millions winner couldn't restore a railway. I'm sure cie would have gotten every last mile out of it before closing it down.

corktina

Just to repeat my advice to read "Railway Adventure". It doesn't matter what state it's in ,it all has to be rebuilt anyway; it can be done , and often has in the UK, on a shoestring, but it takes years of hard voluntary effort, starting from small beginnings.
The first thing needed is a group of willing people and then a base is needed and a plan.
Can it be done in Ireland? maybe...it can't be done on the Internet though

Transportuser09

corktina wrote: »

it can't be done on the Internet though

Oddly enough there was a facebook group claiming to reopen this very line a while ago, claiming they had secured a steam engine from Downpatrick - turned out Downpatrick never agreed to it and they even got engines number wrong lol

Cyberbeagle

Transportuser09 wrote: »

Oddly enough there was a facebook group claiming to reopen this very line a while ago, claiming they had secured a steam engine from Downpatrick - turned out Downpatrick never agreed to it and they even got engines number wrong lol

Never agreed? Never been approached!!!

jca

Judging by the state of the permanent way on the you tube video a platelayers trolley couldn't go on it now never mind a steam loco.

corktina

wasn't it cleared by rail mounted road-railers?

jca

corktina wrote: »

wasn't it cleared by rail mounted road-railers?

I was joking. ...

CaptainFreedom

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Putting on my curious hat on here for a minute.

1) Who exactly are the "we" that you speak of?

We = 'me'

jca

Was it 28000 of your own money you put into that project? Holy moley no wonder you're easily annoyed.

corktina

jca wrote: »

Was it 28000 of your own money you put into that project? Holy moley no wonder you're easily annoyed.

I get the impression they were only jumping on the bandwagon of the crowd clearing it for assessment primarily for a greenway (nothing wrong with that, seizing an opportunity)

gobnaitolunacy

Still awaiting a response from their smooth talking spokesman...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1158287/tumbleweed-o.gif

jca

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Still awaiting a response from their smooth talking spokesman...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1158287/tumbleweed-o.gif

Oooh. Nasteee. I only managed to open your link this morning because the sky bb is so bad.

whisky_galore

Any word on what's happening here? Took a walk last week and the thorny bushes are starting to regrow.

Will it just degenerate into wilderness again? Prob no money available to take it a step further and actually do something with it.

corktina

all gone quiet again. Nothing will happen without committed band of volunteers. Money is the second problem .

whisky_galore

Just make a greenway out of it already. Oh right...no money.

deisegreenway

whisky_galore wrote: »

Just make a greenway out of it already. Oh right...no money.

Big news last week...CIE approved the conversion to a greenway, along with the Red Bridge outside New Ross. It's all on the Wexford Echo and New Ross Standard websites (can't post links).

Ted_YNWA

deisegreenway wrote: »

Big news last week...CIE approved the conversion to a greenway, along with the Red Bridge outside New Ross. It's all on the Wexford Echo and New Ross Standard websites (can't post links).

Here is the link deise

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/3m-red-bridge-walkway-boost-30847046.html

man98

That's disappointing.

corktina

man98 wrote: »

That's disappointing.

What else would you do with it? the line has been disused for many years, New Ross is a small town with very little to offer in the way of passengers or freight. It's not as if it's the Rosslare line biting the dust (finally)

whisky_galore

deisegreenway wrote: »

Big news last week...CIE approved the conversion to a greenway, along with the Red Bridge outside New Ross. It's all on the Wexford Echo and New Ross Standard websites (can't post links).

Just an abandonment order from CIE to formally wash their hands of it I would imagine.
Money still has to come from somewhere to develop it. Still a greenway is more realistic than putting it back as a working railway or some of the more laughable preservation ideas that have been floating about over the last 2 years or so.

man98

Well what good would a green way do. I don't see the merit of them.

whisky_galore

man98 wrote: »

Well what good would a green way do. I don't see the merit of them.

Oh just little things like encouraging local people to get up and about without risking getting a slap from a car, maybe attracting people to the area who otherwise might not, and God forbid, may even spend money locally?

Preferable to having big trees growing up through it.

I have walked it, looked like a complete mare to work, built on the cheap with rollercoaster-like sharp bends and steep gradients.

man98

If they want to get up and about use the Enniscorthy line . And there won't be many going up the line on a wet day in November ...

corktina

you obviously know little of the cycling and walking fraternity. I suggest you google

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

What else would you do with it? the line has been disused for many years, New Ross is a small town with very little to offer in the way of passengers or freight. It's not as if it's the Rosslare line biting the dust (finally)

well in fairness i can't see hords of cyclists coming to it either. nothing of sceenic beauty along there i believe.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

you obviously know little of the cycling and walking fraternity. I suggest you google

oh i think he does. even as a greenway the line has little to encourage people to cycle along it. for a local amenity it might do but i'd be very surprised if it got anything more then a few locals

corktina

It's not just about the scenery though. It's a way of life for the cycling/walking people...they do it for it's own sake.

New Ross is quite a tourist town now, with the famine ship to visit (and the Red Bridge part of the plans should be spectacular) and Waterford a major centre too...that people may want to visit both is very likely and they may choose to cycle or walk from one to the other. It's actually quite a pleasant part of the Country.

man98

New Ross isn't great, the highlight of it probably bring that apartment block without the roof. Also it would have to stop well outside of Waterford because of the Rosslare line. And I've been along the line, someone's built a shed on it.

corktina

Amazingly nowadays bikes and pedestrians can use normal roads as well as Greenways. New Ross may not be Las Vegas but with a Greenway it might improve some bit. Greenway better than a disused derelict railway isn't it?

whisky_galore

man98 wrote: »

New Ross isn't great, the highlight of it probably bring that apartment block without the roof. Also it would have to stop well outside of Waterford because of the Rosslare line. And I've been along the line, someone's built a shed on it.

'Well outside Waterford'....In fairness, it's hardly light years from the city centre, assuming one managed to cycle all the way from New Ross.

The countryside around there is pretty, not spectacular, but what do you expect...herds of Wildebeest sweeping majestically over the savannah?

deisegreenway

It would stop at the abbey in Ferrybank, 52.263791,-7.101567 on Google Maps. This is very near the city, even more so when a pedestrian bridge is eventually built 200m away.

Even if nothing more comes out of this project in the next 5 years, it'll be great to have plans in place, ownership issues resolved and have the route protected.

flyingsnail

Short piece about turning into a greenway on RTE

https://amp.twimg.com/v/c4a1bb45-d77b-44a0-bc7a-7d30e9981d23

end of the road

flyingsnail wrote: »

Short piece about turning into a greenway on RTE

https://amp.twimg.com/v/c4a1bb45-d77b-44a0-bc7a-7d30e9981d23

is there anything worth cycling to see on that route?

whisky_galore

end of the road wrote: »

is there anything worth cycling to see on that route?

What do you expect in the South East Wexford/Kilkenny region? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the Seringeti?

Del.Monte

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

man98

end of the road wrote: »

is there anything worth cycling to see on that route?

I'd cycle along it in the hope of seeing an 071 on the track :pac:

end of the road

whisky_galore wrote: »

What do you expect in the South East Wexford/Kilkenny region? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the Seringeti?

considering i live in the bluddy place, no . i however have never been along that particular route so wanted to know was there anything worth seeing if it was to open as a greenway. is that okay with you?

savagethegoat

whisky_galore wrote: »

What do you expect in the South East Wexford/Kilkenny region? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the Seringeti?

Torquay perhaps?

n97 mini

Bungalows. Apparently Wexford has one of the highest numbers of one-offs.

Grandeeod

Greenways aren't really about scenery. More to do with safe walking and cycling. As for this plan, I'm all for greenways once there's legal provision made for converting it back to a working railway in the future.

h.gricer

end of the road wrote: »

is there anything worth cycling to see on that route?

There is nice views, https://www.flickr.com/photos/73238117@N02/8637549953/ and here https://www.flickr.com/photos/73238117@N02/8637544943/in/photostream/ these views are near Glenmore.

Regards
hg