Christmas release from prision

Boombastic

We are trying to separate state and religion, Should the practice of letting violent rapists and others out of prison for christmas, so santa can find them, be stopped?



I think it's a daft practice and should be stopped.

donvito99

Especially not that fookhead Seán Quinn.


You'd swear he was some sort of mafia leader with his obsession with meeting family commitments, and their precedence over the Law of the State...

orestes

Violent rapists? Is there another kind?

mikom

orestes wrote: »

Violent rapists? Is there another kind?

Georgie Burgess?

Sar_Bear

Ah shur once they come back shur isn't it grand?! Don't all rapists/thieves/cons take a break over the Christmas so tis not like they'll do it again or anything!

Death and Taxes

Boombastic wrote: »

We are trying to separate state and religion, Should the practice of letting violent rapists and others out of prison for christmas, so santa can find them, be stopped?



I think it's a daft practice and should be stopped.

Since when have violent rapists been granted TR at Christmas?
It doesn't happen, but don't let that stop you stirring the pot!

Nodin

Boombastic wrote: »

We are trying to separate state and religion, Should the practice of letting violent rapists and others out of prison for christmas, so santa can find them, be stopped?



I think it's a daft practice and should be stopped.

Shouldn't ye be more worried about them finding Santa?

Boombastic

Sar_Bear wrote: »

Ah shur once they come back shur isn't it grand?! Don't all rapists/thieves/cons take a break over the Christmas so tis not like they'll do it again or anything!

They let them out when most people have brand new valuable goods in their house:pac:

Sar_Bear

Boombastic wrote: »

They let them out when most people have brand new valuable goods in their house:pac:

It's called sarcasm dear, look it up.

Dangerous offenders that may be a threat to people - No.

KKkitty

Of course it should be stopped. Why should criminals get special treatment.

Boombastic

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Since when have violent rapists been granted TR at Christmas?
It doesn't happen, but don't let that stop you stirring the pot!

Here's one example,


A GANG rapist who also threatened to burn the home of the sister of Euromillions winner Dolores McNamara is to be released from prison for Christmas.

Thomas O'Neill (24) -- who led a horrific gang rape in Cratloe Woods, Co Clare, in 2004 -- will be freed from prison next week for a fortnight.



Maybe gang rape isn't violent enough for you? but don't let that stop you from stirring the pot

Boombastic

Sar_Bear wrote: »

It's called sarcasm dear, look it up.

Eh, I copped that alright:p

I was just adding a further point!!

Sunnyisland

Over 60 per cent of the prisoners being released are in lower security institutions, including the Training Unit Semi-Open Prison and Shelton Abbey Open Centres.
All of the prisoners being released are nearing the end of their sentences.
The Department of Justice has emphasised that the overriding concern when considering the applications for temporary release was the safety of the public.
The periods of release vary from a few hours to up to 7 nights. The vast majority of prisoners will be required to report to their local garda station during the release.That was from last year and would be certain it be the same this year.

MagicMarker

Just so long as Sean Quinn isn't one of them.

J_E

Some of these prisoners have families too. Try to think of them as human sometime.

Boombastic

realies wrote: »

Over 60 per cent of the prisoners being released are in lower security institutions, including the Training Unit Semi-Open Prison and Shelton Abbey Open Centres.
All of the prisoners being released are nearing the end of their sentences.
The Department of Justice has emphasised that the overriding concern when considering the applications for temporary release was the safety of the public.
The periods of release vary from a few hours to up to 7 nights. The vast majority of prisoners will be required to report to their local garda station during the release.That was from last year and would be certain it be the same this year.

What about the other 40%?


Periods of release extend up to 2 weeks for violent gang rapists (see my example above)

Odysseus

Boombastic wrote: »

We are trying to separate state and religion, Should the practice of letting violent rapists and others out of prison for christmas, so santa can find them, be stopped?


I think it's a daft practice and should be stopped.

Why is it daft?

Your pole question is very different to the question in your post; as in your post you name violent rapist as ooposed to ODC to call them that [not that I concur with that concept]

Holsten

realies wrote: »

Over 60 per cent of the prisoners being released are in lower security institutions, including the Training Unit Semi-Open Prison and Shelton Abbey Open Centres.
All of the prisoners being released are nearing the end of their sentences.
The Department of Justice has emphasised that the overriding concern when considering the applications for temporary release was the safety of the public.
The periods of release vary from a few hours to up to 7 nights. The vast majority of prisoners will be required to report to their local garda station during the release.That was from last year and would be certain it be the same this year.

I voted yeah it should be stopped, after reading this I don't see the problem with it.

If they mess up and do something while they are out they'll just get more time added anyway.

Hurricane Carter

Of course it should be stopped!

These people gave up their right to freedom in any capacity when they violated decent citizens.

They get too good treatment as it is - by our flawed system that failed to convict them the first God knows how many times or that handed down a far too lenient sentence to the facilities they have to pass the time.

Some forfeited being treated humanely in my opinion and should be left to fend for themselves in a seperate wing with limited facilities.

Boombastic

Odysseus wrote: »

Why is it daft?

Your pole question is very different to the question in your post; as in your post you name violent rapist as ooposed to ODC to call them that [not that I concur with that concept]

Why does the OP say voilent rapists or ODC? or does it say violent rapists and others?

I see you also thanked the post that says it doesn't happen while ignoring my example of where it is happening

Kess73

Cydoniac wrote: »

Some of these prisoners have families too. Try to think of them as human sometime.

Maybe they should have thought of their victims as human before commiting crimes against them.

Hurricane Carter

Cydoniac wrote: »

Some of these prisoners have families too. Try to think of them as human sometime.

It's not up to me to think about them. That's what they should've done. Then they wouldn't find themselves where they are.

Prison should mean prison.

charlemont

Boombastic wrote: »

Here's one example,


A GANG rapist who also threatened to burn the home of the sister of Euromillions winner Dolores McNamara is to be released from prison for Christmas.

Thomas O'Neill (24) -- who led a horrific gang rape in Cratloe Woods, Co Clare, in 2004 -- will be freed from prison next week for a fortnight.



Maybe gang rape isn't violent enough for you? but don't let that stop you from stirring the pot

This guy has a virtual Free To Commit Crime Pass due to his tramp of a girlfriend being a state witness.

Cool_CM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Just so long as Sean Quinn isn't one of them.

I wonder if he'll come out of prison a sexier man like his son did

HondaSami

Boombastic wrote: »

Here's one example,


A GANG rapist who also threatened to burn the home of the sister of Euromillions winner Dolores McNamara is to be released from prison for Christmas.

Thomas O'Neill (24) -- who led a horrific gang rape in Cratloe Woods, Co Clare, in 2004 -- will be freed from prison next week for a fortnight.



Maybe gang rape isn't violent enough for you? but don't let that stop you from stirring the pot

when is he due for release? did he get ten yrs originally?

Odysseus

Boombastic wrote: »

Why does the OP say voilent rapists or ODC? or does it say violent rapists and others?

I see you also thanked the post that says it doesn't happen while ignoring my example of where it is happening

You have given one example, how many will get TR? Out of all those who get TR how many are sex offender and violent criminals?

So when you say others you are saying any criminal [like a person in for non payment of fines] or are you using a strong example like a rapist and others mean similar crimes?

You still did not answer my question, why is it daft?

mark renton

No mercy in AH - not even at christmas

Kylo Ren

Free the Wet Bandits!

Kess73

Boombastic wrote: »

Here's one example,


A GANG rapist who also threatened to burn the home of the sister of Euromillions winner Dolores McNamara is to be released from prison for Christmas.

Thomas O'Neill (24) -- who led a horrific gang rape in Cratloe Woods, Co Clare, in 2004 -- will be freed from prison next week for a fortnight.



Maybe gang rape isn't violent enough for you? but don't let that stop you from stirring the pot

There will be at least two of the rapists from that attack out in Limerick for Xmas. Laughable given that pretty much every rapist involved in that attack managed to rack up a number of extra convictions since then.

I guess gang raping a woman and imprisoning her partner to force him to listen was not a serious enough crime to warrant getting the rapists off the streets quickly once caught.

I suppose the only good thing is that one of the rapists is now dead and cannot harm any other decent folk.

Sar_Bear

john47832 wrote: »

No mercy in AH - not even at christmas

Sorry but if you're going to rape people, attack people, break into houses and so on you don't deserve mercy, not even at Christmas.

Odysseus

Hurricane Carter wrote: »

It's not up to me to think about them. That's what they should've done. Then they wouldn't find themselves where they are.

Prison should mean prison.

So what does prison mean?

Boombastic

HondaSami wrote: »

when is he due for release? did he get ten yrs originally?

Don't know how long he got originally, but he is up on more charges since and awaiting sentencing next month, so it's not like he's turned his life around or found god or anything


@charlemont - that's very worrying

Odysseus

Sar_Bear wrote: »

Sorry but if you're going to rape people, attack people, break into houses and so on you don't deserve mercy, not even at Christmas.

Thankfully that is not an opinion held by the people responsible for their care.

Kess73

HondaSami wrote: »

when is he due for release? did he get ten yrs originally?

He got 10 years for the rape and for his at the time suspended sentences. When he committed the rape he was already out on bail for previous crimes including threatening to kill a garda (he tried to hit the garda in the neck with a bill hook after making the threat).

Stheno

Kess73 wrote: »

He got 10 years for the rape.When he committed the rape he was already out on bail for previous crimes and including threatening to kill a garda (he tried to hit the garda in the neck with a bill hook after making the threat).

How on earth did he get approval for TR?

Boombastic

Odysseus wrote: »

So what does prison mean?

It doesn't matter how many, if it's more than 0 it's too many

To answer your question, some further reading for you
pris·on (przn)
n.
1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons convicted of crimes.
2. A place or condition of confinement or forcible restraint.
3. A state of imprisonment or captivity.
tr.v. pris·oned, pris·on·ing, pris·ons
To confine in or as if in a prison; imprison.
pris·on


or if you've a bit of time:

Prison:pac:

Kess73

Stheno wrote: »

How on earth did he get approval for TR?

The good old Irish system I guess.

Violent re-offenders just get chance after chance to re-offend.

mfceiling

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Since when have violent rapists been granted TR at Christmas?
It doesn't happen, but don't let that stop you stirring the pot!

Boombastic wrote: »

Here's one example,


A GANG rapist who also threatened to burn the home of the sister of Euromillions winner Dolores McNamara is to be released from prison for Christmas.

Thomas O'Neill (24) -- who led a horrific gang rape in Cratloe Woods, Co Clare, in 2004 -- will be freed from prison next week for a fortnight.



Maybe gang rape isn't violent enough for you? but don't let that stop you from stirring the pot

Odysseus wrote: »

You have given one example, how many will get TR? Out of all those who get TR how many are sex offender and violent criminals?

So when you say others you are saying any criminal [like a person in for non payment of fines] or are you using a strong example like a rapist and others mean similar crimes?

You still did not answer my question, why is it daft?

I'm a bit lost now...

Strawberry Fields

This is the full story of what your dealing with http://www.independent.ie/national-news/man-25-is-jailed-for-20-years-over-role-in-savage-gang-rape-256637.html

the older fella hung himself in prison in 2012.

MagicSean

Kess73 wrote: »

There will be at least two of the rapists from that attack out in Limerick for Xmas. Laughable given that pretty much every rapist involved in that attack managed to rack up a number of extra convictions since then.

I guess gang raping a woman and imprisoning her partner to force him to listen was not a serious enough crime to warrant getting the rapists off the streets quickly once caught.

I suppose the only good thing is that one of the rapists is now dead and cannot harm any other decent folk.

That was a very disturbing crime. I cant see how anything but life imprisonment would have been a suitable punishment.

Odysseus

Boombastic wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many, if it's more than 0 it's too many

To answer your question, some further reading for you
pris·on (przn)
n.
1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons convicted of crimes.
2. A place or condition of confinement or forcible restraint.
3. A state of imprisonment or captivity.
tr.v. pris·oned, pris·on·ing, pris·ons
To confine in or as if in a prison; imprison.
pris·on


or if you've a bit of time:

Prison:pac:

The poster I asked seems to have his own concept of prison, which is why I'm asking.

Still more than 0 is still only an opinion; so I guess you don't know then. TR is part and parcle of the prison experience, it can be a important part of the experience is used correctly.

Boombastic

godeas16 wrote: »

This is the full story of what your dealing with http://www.independent.ie/national-news/man-25-is-jailed-for-20-years-over-role-in-savage-gang-rape-256637.html

the older fella hung himself in prison in 2012.

Horrific, I hope that couple has been able to rebuild their lives:(

HondaSami

Kess73 wrote: »

He got 10 years for the rape and for his at the time suspended sentences. When he committed the rape he was already out on bail for previous crimes including threatening to kill a garda (he tried to hit the garda in the neck with a bill hook after making the threat).

Has he served this sentence? Im a bit confused tbh.

Before the trial began again in front of a new jury, O'Neill -- who has been in custody since January -- pleaded guilty yesterday before Judge Moran.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=thomas%20o%20neill%20rapist&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.herald.ie%2Fnews%2Frapist-in-threat-to-millionaires-sister-out-for-christmas-3325985.html&ei=kwLSUIaPJ8yEhQf7mYGABQ&usg=AFQjCNF8sZ2xYQzBCURbSNsXzu3dV_TtPw

Boombastic

Odysseus wrote: »

The poster I asked seems to have his own concept of prison, which is why I'm asking.

Still more than 0 is still only an opinion; so I guess you don't know then. TR is part and parcle of the prison experience, it can be a important part of the experience is used correctly.

Don't they get the last few years of their sentence suspended as incentive?

HondaSami wrote: »

Has he served this sentence? Im a bit confused tbh.



http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=thomas%20o%20neill%20rapist&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.herald.ie%2Fnews%2Frapist-in-threat-to-millionaires-sister-out-for-christmas-3325985.html&ei=kwLSUIaPJ8yEhQf7mYGABQ&usg=AFQjCNF8sZ2xYQzBCURbSNsXzu3dV_TtPw

That's for another crime he is being sentenced for, next month

HondaSami

Boombastic wrote: »

Don't they get the last few years of their sentence suspended as incentive?



That's for another crime he is being sentenced for, next month

What is he in jail for at the moment? Has he served his sentence for the rape?

I understood from your link he is serving a sentence for rape.

Odysseus

Boombastic wrote: »

Don't they get the last few years of their sentence suspended as incentive?



That's for another crime he is being sentenced for, next month

No, if you are asking if that applies to everyone. A suspended sentence is handed out by the judge [or not as the case may be] when their case is being dealt with. Its not automatic maybe your thinking of remission?

Boombastic

HondaSami wrote: »

What is he in jail for at the moment? Has he served his sentence for the rape?

I understood from your link he is serving a sentence for rape.

He got 10 years for rape. He shouldn't be out until 2014 if he served the full sentence. He was out in 2011, to commit the charge he is being sentenced for next month.


If he was out in 2011 and 2014 would be his total sentence, he a least got 3 years suspended.

mark renton

Sar_Bear wrote: »

Sorry but if you're going to rape people, attack people, break into houses and so on you don't deserve mercy, not even at Christmas.

I didnt make up the rules around christmsas, but isnt it supposed to be a time of goodwill to all men?

Sar_Bear

john47832 wrote: »

I didnt make up the rules around christmsas, but isnt it supposed to be a time of goodwill to all men?

You're joking, right?

mark renton

Sar_Bear wrote: »

You're joking, right?

I never joke about christmas