Nurses

YbFocus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Average nursing pay (excluding new entrants) is circa 60k a year according to the hse. Hardly mediocre.

I dont know about that as the good few I know haven't reached half of that, nor will they for many years. They will never reach the figure you just mentioned!!!

Could you get me a link?

Odysseus

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

YbFocus wrote: »

i dont think someone who works as a clerical officer should be paid more than a secretary in an accountancy firm just because they happen to have a degree in some humanities

nurses are well paid in this country by international standards , as are guards and teachers , the facts speak for themselves

They don't get pay any extra, where are you getting that one from?

wexie

YbFocus wrote: »

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

Do you not think someone who has been educated further should be worth more to the workforce of their chosen profession?

Like someone who just done the leaving or someone with a L7 or L8 degree, there should be a difference, some people work hard for there education, including nurses.

Nonsense!

Lets say for argument there are 2 ditchdiggers, one has leaving cert and the other a degree in....lets say nuclear physics. Both work equally hard and are equally productive....so the guy with the degree should earn more?

The point of having a degree is that it 'might' allow you to work at a 'higher' level and therefore earn more money. If you don't live up to that potential well then that's your choice.

You should get what you're worth for your performance in the job you're doing. Not what you might be able to do based on your education status.

Padraig Mor

Odysseus wrote: »

This is not correct, I do not know any nurse earning that.

Given it's an average presumably you may know several earning more than that. Just look at their pay scales, it's all there.

YbFocus

wexie wrote: »

YbFocus wrote: »

Nonsense!

Lets say for argument there are 2 ditchdiggers, one has leaving cert and the other a degree in....lets say nuclear physics. Both work equally hard and are equally productive....so the guy with the degree should earn more?

The point of having a degree is that it 'might' allow you to work at a 'higher' level and therefore earn more money. If you don't live up to that potential well then that's your choice.

You should get what you're worth for your performance in the job you're doing. Not what you might be able to do based on your education status.

Christ almighty what is going on with the quotes system, everyone is being quoted wrong.
I'm not saying that if you are a qualified astro-physicist working in tesco you should get more than the rest of the workers, but everyone should be paid more than the lower groups if they are working over them, I'm not saying what you described at all!

I agree with what you said.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Given it's an average presumably you may know several earning more than that. Just look at their pay scales, it's all there.

There are no nurses on 60k, so I cannot know any who may earn more!!!

Have you a link for that?

Padraig Mor

YbFocus wrote: »

I dont know about that as the good few I know haven't reached half of that, nor will they for many years. They will never reach the figure you just mentioned!!!

Could you get me a link?

Starting salary for a staff nurse (first point of a long series of scales) until the recent cuts was 32k. Nurses on average earn an extra 25% on top of salary in premium payments and allowances according to their union, giving starting pay of c 40k until recently. Scales are online. I'm on phone so no link for 60k average but a look on Google should show you hse quote of average nurse pay of 57k in 2007 iirc.

Padraig Mor

Odysseus wrote: »

There are no nurses on 60k, so I cannot know any who may earn more!!!

Have you a link for that?

Lol. There's plenty of them on that and more. Deny reality if you want.

wexie

YbFocus wrote: »

wexie wrote: »

Christ almighty what is going on with the quotes system, everyone is being quoted wrong.
I'm not saying that if you are a qualified astro-physicist working in tesco you should get more than the rest of the workers, but everyone should be paid more than the lower groups if they are working over them, I'm not saying what you described at all!

I agree with what you said.

ah.....erh....okay

sorry I guess I misunderstood

(and yes quotes seem terribly messed up)

YbFocus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Starting salary for a staff nurse (first point of a long series of scales) until the recent cuts was 32k. Nurses on average earn an extra 25% on top of salary in premium payments and allowances according to their union, giving starting pay of c 40k until recently. Scales are online. I'm on phone so no link for 60k average but a look on Google should show you hse quote of average nurse pay of 57k in 2007 iirc.

Found this

http://www.inmo.ie/35

This shows the maximum a senior maxed out nurse will make is €~43,000.

A CNM makes up to €60,000 who is a Clinical nurse MANAGER.

I would say your manager makes that too?

big_joe_joyce

Odysseus wrote: »

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

They don't get pay any extra, where are you getting that one from?

you think the average secretary in an accountancy firm is paid the same as a clerical officer in the likes of the dept of transport who answers phones , sends fax etc

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Starting salary for a staff nurse (first point of a long series of scales) until the recent cuts was 32k. Nurses on average earn an extra 25% on top of salary in premium payments and allowances according to their union, giving starting pay of c 40k until recently. Scales are online. I'm on phone so no link for 60k average but a look on Google should show you hse quote of average nurse pay of 57k in 2007 iirc.

So that was prior to cuts, and it seems very high compared to the nurses I work with. Be careful about alllowances the nurses in my area don't get any at all, never mind topping their wage up by 25%

Anyone know the difference between wages for standard nurses, the two grades of clinical nurse specialist [is there two?] and then going into management with Clinical nurse manager?

Odysseus

YbFocus wrote: »

Found this

http://www.inmo.ie/35

This shows the maximum a senior maxed out nurse will make is €~43,000.

A CNM makes up to €60,000 who is a Clinical nurse MANAGER.

I would say your manager makes that too?

I could be wrong but that sounds more like the correct wage.

big_joe_joyce

wexie wrote: »

YbFocus wrote: »

Nonsense!

Lets say for argument there are 2 ditchdiggers, one has leaving cert and the other a degree in....lets say nuclear physics. Both work equally hard and are equally productive....so the guy with the degree should earn more?

The point of having a degree is that it 'might' allow you to work at a 'higher' level and therefore earn more money. If you don't live up to that potential well then that's your choice.

You should get what you're worth for your performance in the job you're doing. Not what you might be able to do based on your education status.

thats what i said

if a clerical officer has a degree in middle earth folklore , it shouldnt entitle them to higher pay than a secretary who only sat the leaving , both answer phones ,send faxes , stamp letters

Odysseus

big_joe_joyce wrote: »

Odysseus wrote: »

you think the average secretary in an accountancy firm is paid the same as a clerical officer in the likes of the dept of transport who answers phones , sends fax etc

I don't know I would say some in the small firm may do better that say a grade III. I do know a grade III will not be paid any extra for holding a degree.

big_joe_joyce

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Lol. There's plenty of them on that and more. Deny reality if you want.

i didnt know the average was ever that high , i heard it was around 50 k on average prior to the rescession , average pay for a guard prior to the rescession in 2008 was 1200 per week probably around 1050 now if you allow for a 15% cut

YbFocus

Odysseus wrote: »

I could be wrong but that sounds more like the correct wage.

And thats top end figures as well, like nurses who have climbed the payscale.
It starts at €30,000 (careful of them zeroes I could spark outrage )

Padraig Mor

YbFocus wrote: »

Found this

http://www.inmo.ie/35

This shows the maximum a senior maxed out nurse will make is €~43,000.

A CNM makes up to €60,000 who is a Clinical nurse MANAGER.

I would say your manager makes that too?

CNMs (some grades) are what used to be called Ward sisters. A large proportion of full time nurses with 10+ years experience will be cnms. Don't forget significant top ups for myriad allowances and premium pay.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Lol. There's plenty of them on that and more. Deny reality if you want.

Hang on, why would I deny it? if I work with nurses and I know none of them earn or can earn that much as a nurse.


I don't know you just can talk to some people I suppose. What would happen if you where wrong?

Padraig Mor

Odysseus wrote: »

So that was prior to cuts, and it seems very high compared to the nurses I work with. Be careful about alllowances the nurses in my area don't get any at all, never mind topping their wage up by 25%

Anyone know the difference between wages for standard nurses, the two grades of clinical nurse specialist [is there two?] and then going into management with Clinical nurse manager?

Must be one of the few areas (and there's not many) not entitled to a location allowance! 25% figure is from the INMO and includes overtime, unsocial hours etc.

Padraig Mor

Odysseus wrote: »

Hang on, why would I deny it? if I work with nurses and I know none of them earn or can earn that much as a nurse.


I don't know you just can talk to some people I suppose. What would happen if you where wrong?

Look up the pay scales if you don't believe me. Perhaps your colleagues are playing the poor mouth a bit.

YbFocus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

CNMs (some grades) are what used to be called Ward sisters. A large proportion of full time nurses with 10+ years experience will be cnms. Don't forget significant top ups for myriad allowances and premium pay.

IT junior position (makes average) - IT senior position (makes more)

Nurse (makes average) - Up to CNM position (makes more)

The higher the position, the higher the pay. Everywhere.

A CNM doesn't work the floor as much as a nurse at all, she manages rosters and all that guff.

With promotions come raises.

Also I have never seen my gf come home with any of these allowances or extra pay. She worked as a stand in all over the place and only got standard rate.

There is no talking to you, you will not listen to reason.

I found you the rates of pay and you ignored.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

CNMs (some grades) are what used to be called Ward sisters. A large proportion of full time nurses with 10+ years experience will be cnms. Don't forget significant top ups for myriad allowances and premium pay.

CNMs are not normal nurses though, they are managers there to manage staff. In the same way I report directly to a "senior" manager. I can't s[eak of the rest as I or any of the multi dis team I work with get any of these significant top up etc.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Look up the pay scales if you don't believe me. Perhaps your colleagues are playing the poor mouth a bit.

Hasn't another poster just posted them, that one was suggesting mid forties.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Must be one of the few areas (and there's not many) not entitled to a location allowance! 25% figure is from the INMO and includes overtime, unsocial hours etc.

I personally don't get overtime will only get TOIL, but overtime is not an allowance it is extra wages for extra work.

big_joe_joyce

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Look up the pay scales if you don't believe me. Perhaps your colleagues are playing the poor mouth a bit.

a lot of public servants quote NET ( after tax ) figures when discussing income , perhaps that explains the gulf in understanding ?

Padraig Mor

YbFocus wrote: »

A CNM doesn't work the floor as much as a nurse at all, she manages rosters and all that guff.

But she's still. ......a nurse.

Odysseus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

But she's still. ......a nurse.

You cannot compare that grade to standard nurses, it is a different grade.

I don't know good night and good bye

Padraig Mor

Odysseus wrote: »

Hasn't another poster just posted them, that one was suggesting mid forties.

The other poster quoted the lowest possible pay scale for a staff nurse, ignoring the 24 publically available better paid nurse scales and ignoring the significant payments most nurses receive in addition to their base salary.

YbFocus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

But she's still. ......a nurse.

You are beyond listening to at this stage

When someone becomes a supervisor to a team do they not earn more for that position in any profession?
Just answer that.

Now think of a CNM as a supervisor, which she is.

A highly skilled nurse that has been seen fit to be promoted to CNM after a long number of years I may add.

He or she cannot be considered to be a nurse pay scale wise as she does not fall under the nurses pay scale or position. She is a CNM.