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the lawman

ssbob wrote: »

So was mentioned to me yesterday that every week you have someone else coming on the forum and putting up a new thread about a different rules question where more often than not the question has already been covered in a another thread.

What would peoples opinions on a rules thread be? Whereby any rules questions would be within this thread that could be stickied or more than likely will be at the top of the listings anyway?

Sounds like a very good idea to me.

SnowDrifts

I suggested it about a year ago but Greebo gave it a straight no. His reasoning was that people should consult only the official rule book as they may get conflicting advice on a forum. I can see his point, however I do think there are many scenarios where a certain rule may not be so black and white or else, you need to look at the "decisions" to find an answer.

So I would be in favour of a rules thread. Perhaps posters would be more willing to ask questions in a designated thread rather than start a new individual thread. (Similar concept to the PGA epic thread)

Here was my rejected request http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78510406

Russman

I can see the benefit from a discussion point of view, all the various weird and wonderful situations that arise on a golf course, it would make great reading/debating.
However I can also see and probably slightly lean towards Greebo's point about the only rule book that counts, ie The Rules of Golf.

Maybe if it had a big health warning that its a discussion thread and not the definitive rules resource and a link to the R&A Rulebook or something ? I guess it could do no harm and if anyone takes what they read on it as gospel its their own look out.

spacecoyote

ssbob wrote: »

So was mentioned to me yesterday that every week you have someone else coming on the forum and putting up a new thread about a different rules question where more often than not the question has already been covered in a another thread.

What would peoples opinions on a rules thread be? Whereby any rules questions would be within this thread that could be stickied or more than likely will be at the top of the listings anyway?

Was thinking this exact thing today looking at a number if the thread titles.

Makes sense to me

PARlance

Good idea, yes we could all look at the rules book ourselves but I wouldn't be as familiar with half the rules now if it wasn't for people asking about them on here...

Reading the rules is ok but I generally find that an understanding really sinks home if you experience it or a fellow poster throws up a scenario.

Wrong advice is given from time to time but it's usually put right straight away. At the very least that means that one extra person becomes aware of the ruling. It'd be handy to have them all in one place too

GreeBo

I still think its going to lead to as many people reading the wrong rule as the right one.
Perhaps a thread for people to seek clarification on a specific rule (from the rule book) would be more reliable/useful?

Even in the most recent couple of threads we have had people giving the wrong answers, there is no guarantee that someone reading the wrong one is also going to come back and read the correct one, or even remember which was wrong and which was right.

I think taking the time to look it up yourself means you are more likely to remember, then if you have questions ask them on here, but asking what to do when you lose a ball for example is just being lazy imo.


/edit
also, if someone looks up an old ruling in the thread, again there is no guarantee that they will read on for the correct ruling, I dont see the benefit in having a source of truth that also contains incorrect information, unless its going to be moderated to remove the incorrect stuff, and then we are basically just duplicating the randa site...

PARlance

Think we could benefit from starting new threads a bit quicker if posters are going to continue to take them off topic.
Anyone looking to find out how Andrily Shevcenko's golf is going would be in for a surprise to see about 4 pages of discussions surrounding a score of 42 on one hole by some randomer in a club comp.

ForeRight

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Think we could benefit from starting new threads a bit quicker if posters are going to continue to take them off topic.
Anyone looking to find out how Andrily Shevcenko's golf is going would be in for a surprise to see about 4 pages of discussions surrounding a score of 42 on one hole by some randomer in a club comp.

I don't mean to be having a pop but I honestly believe if it was anyone other than Greebo involved in the off topic discussion for so long they would be getting told off by greebo himself and then getting a warning.

GreeBo

Typically I would agree, but frankly the thread was dead otherwise, so its not distracting from anything.
There were 6 posts about the original topic, all a week ago.

Also, there are 3 mods on this forum, each fully capable of managing threads, the fact that none of us chose to move it to me would say that there was consensus that it wasnt disrupting anything?

ForeRight

GreeBo wrote: »

Typically I would agree, but frankly the thread was dead otherwise, so its not distracting from anything.
There were 6 posts about the original topic, all a week ago.

Also, there are 3 mods on this forum, each fully capable of managing threads, the fact that none of us chose to move it to me would say that there was consensus that it wasnt disrupting anything?

That's fair enough. I'm not gonna argue but I do stand over my statement that if you were not in the thick of it you would be stepping in and modding the thread.

In fairness the other 2 mods are not as hands on as you with stuff like that and that's the only reason why I didn't say their names.

GreeBo

ForeRight wrote: »

That's fair enough. I'm not gonna argue but I do stand over my statement that if you were not in the thick of it you would be stepping in and modding the thread.

In fairness the other 2 mods are not as hands on as you with stuff like that and that's the only reason why I didn't say their names.

I/we let lots of threads continue if the original point is dead but another has arisen. Threads get split if the original point is still alive and well but getting confused by another topic, in this case (I think you would agree?) this wasnt an issue so it was left to continue...there are no hard and fast rules, but if its not going to cause a problem, we let it continue...

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

Typically I would agree, but frankly the thread was dead otherwise, so its not distracting from anything.
There were 6 posts about the original topic, all a week ago.

Also, there are 3 mods on this forum, each fully capable of managing threads, the fact that none of us chose to move it to me would say that there was consensus that it wasnt disrupting anything?

Lead by example, start a new thread.

ForeRight

Like I said I'm not going to argue so whatever you say is right sensei

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Lead by example, start a new thread.

it wasn't a new thread, the 42 was brought up on post 5 or so...

GreeBo

ForeRight wrote: »

Like I said I'm not going to argue so whatever you say is right sensei

if only we had more like you...this place would be so boring!

ForeRight

GreeBo wrote: »

if only we had more like you...this place would be so boring!

Im a shell of a man. You have ground me down with warnings and infarcts every time I log in!!!

I'm afraid to fart in here these days

FixdePitchmark

ForeRight wrote: »

Im a shell of a man. You have ground me down with warnings and infarcts every time I log in!!!

I'm afraid to fart in here these days

You can win a battle, but not the war.

ForeRight

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

You can win a battle, but not the war.

Don't worry we'll have the last laugh when we are sipping whiskey with Mal in Honolulu next summer.

We can fart all we like then.

FixdePitchmark

Ok,

Real feedback.

Can we get rid of epic from thread titles ?

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

it wasn't a new thread, the 42 was brought up on post 5 or so...

Twist it whatever way you like, it was off topic.

You made your point on that thread, but felt the need to argue...and repeat...and argue and repeat the same point with several posters. Boarderline trollism.

I'm a big fan of this forum, you add a lot to it for the most part.
You brought the other mods into it, all I can say, in fact the least I can say, is that they are absolute gents.

But I'll sign off now.

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Twist it whatever way you like, it was off topic.

You made your point on that thread, but felt the need to argue...and repeat...and argue and repeat the same point with several posters. Boarderline trollism.

I'm a big fan of this forum, you add a lot to it for the most part.
You brought the other mods into it, all I can say, in fact the least I can say, is that they are absolute gents.

But I'll sign off now.

-I'm sorry but it's just not.take a look around the site, the thrust of threads changes the whole time and threads are not split out unless they are both valid threads in their own right. this is not twisting anything, this is how the site works. have another mod, cmod or admin review it and I'm sure you will get the same answer.
-there was a discussion in that thread,a debate. that's what's supposed to happen.if you think arguing your point is trolling, then you need to lookup the definition of the word
- calling other posters trolls is against the charter, report a post if you have a problem with it out run the risk of back seat modding.
-they indeed are.
-probably a good idea.

OilBeefHooked2

Have to agree with AJ here, there does seem to be two sets of rules (nothing new there I hear you say), a new thread should have been started for the OT discussion or at the very least the thread title changed to reflect the gibberish invested derailment.

GreeBo

david-k wrote: »

Have to agree with AJ here, there does seem to be two sets of rules (nothing new there I hear you say), a new thread should have been started for the OT discussion or at the very least the thread title changed to reflect the gibberish invested derailment.

Go on then, I'll attempt to disregard the childish barbs (that FYI, do nothing other than detract from any point you *might* have) and take the bait one last time from you before you get relegated to the Conno pit.

Tell me why a new thread should have been started or the title changed?
Why should a mod have to do extra work when there is zero impact to not doing it? The topic of the thread moved on within 5 posts, there is no need to create a new thread for that, there is no impact or damage to the original post.
*Thats* the only reason threads get split out, so that you can have two living discussions.

Almaviva

Been afk and not following the blow by blow here. But reading en bloc now the last few pages strike me (with respect to both 'sides') as not even a storm in a teacup, but rather, much ado about nothing.
I follow most threads here, and have even been known to stoke or argue hardball on a few myself. But I think in general its running fine. The single tour threads with subsequent threads for the bigger interest tournaments has worked well (would remove the 'epic' from the title though. They're long but not really epic).
Lets just get on with golf chat.

OilBeefHooked2

GreeBo wrote: »

Go on then, I'll attempt to disregard the childish barbs (that FYI, do nothing other than detract from any point you *might* have) and take the bait one last time from you before you get relegated to the Conno pit.

Tell me why a new thread should have been started or the title changed?
Why should a mod have to do extra work when there is zero impact to not doing it? The topic of the thread moved on within 5 posts, there is no need to create a new thread for that, there is no impact or damage to the original post.
*Thats* the only reason threads get split out, so that you can have two living discussions.

The subsequent derailment of an unconfirmed second hand story about an alledged 6 handicapper had what exactly to do with a pro tournament involving a well know celebrity?, hence why it deserved a thread of its own or at the very least a thread title edit.
BTW Conno was a funny guy with a great sense of humour unlike quiet a few around here and I'd love to be able to promote you to Licksy status, but unfortunately I can't perform miracles.

GreeBo

david-k wrote: »

The subsequent derailment of an unconfirmed second hand story about an alledged 6 handicapper had what exactly to do with a pro tournament involving a well know celebrity?, hence e why it deserved a thread of its own or at the very least a thread title edit.

The thread naturally morphed into a discussion about NR-ing in a strokes competition because you have taken "too many" strokes. The OP was about a semi-pro golfer having a mare on the course. I think we can all agree they are related, otherwise it wouldnt have come up in the thread in the first place.

I'm sorry that not changing the thread title caused you such a problem, but it didnt seem to stop anyone from commenting in the thread and so I dont see it as an issue or why its such a problem for you?

I strongly suspect that your issue is of a more personal nature, so apologies again, but Im not going to give your opinions too much credence just now.

GreeBo

Almaviva wrote: »

The single tour threads with subsequent threads for the bigger interest tournaments has worked well (would remove the 'epic' from the title though. They're long but not really epic).
Lets just get on with golf chat.

Rome wasnt built in a day, they will be epic soon enough and I think most people understand what is meant by an "Epic" thread on boards.
Its just a catch-all, long running thread, it doesnt have to be fantastic or run to thousands of posts after a few months.

GetInTheHole!

This is the last thread in the Golf Forum that I am subscribed to as I hope some day it will indicate that the forum has changed for the better.

Unfortunately any update I get is to see that if anything; it is deteriorating more.

Here is a suggestion / piece of feedback for you:
Instead of Golf Forum - why don't you just rename it the "Geebo Forum"?

In my own personal opinion; that would be a much more accurate reflection on the place.

realgolfgeek

I've had a couple of run-ins with Greebo as well, and I do think at times it's either his view, or an infraction/telling off.

On the flip side however, I think no matter who is doing the mod for this forum, or for any other forum for that matter, a handful of people are not going to be that enthusiastic.
I'm sure the Mods aren't here to get under anyones skin on purpose and they're trying to make the forum better as they go along.

I think people need to chill a little at times and not to take things so seriously and personally (yes, including me!)

FixdePitchmark

Yes , lot to be said for a chill, agree.

It is not the end of the world this thing.

People get bored and move on, new people come in, it is cyclical.

The only downside is, due to the extremely strict moderation , some people leave. Some people can't see there is a duel role as Mod and contributor,

GreeBo has a very strong debating style, totally unyielding. I admire his resolve. Very few people win out, the ones that don't , give up , leave. Greebo wins. He even Ignores some, this is funny as a mod. He is funny too.

We have lost another good contributor this week.

But we will all leave at some stage, there is no permanence in anything , certainly not on the Internet.

realgolfgeek

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But we will all leave at some stage, there is no permanence in anything , certainly not on the Internet.

Apart from porn dude

FixdePitchmark

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Apart from porn dude

:eek:
lol

ForeRight

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Apart from porn dude

GIFSoup

Ilik Urgee

GreeBo wrote: »

The thread naturally morphed into a discussion about NR-ing in a strokes competition because you have taken "too many" strokes. The OP was about a semi-pro golfer having a mare on the course. I think we can all agree they are related, otherwise it wouldnt have come up in the thread in the first place.

I'm sorry that not changing the thread title caused you such a problem, but it didnt seem to stop anyone from commenting in the thread and so I dont see it as an issue or why its such a problem for you?

I strongly suspect that your issue is of a more personal nature, so apologies again, but Im not going to give your opinions too much credence just now.

Apologies up front, as it's the done thing here, but that's just plain downright rude. It's these dismissive remarks which has this forum the way it is- your downright refusal to entertain any proposals (outside of the initiation of the Epic Threads for some reason) and constant rebuttal of any criticism(you took that thread completely OT) serve only to reinforce the idea that you should at least moderate your moderation or do the other unspeakable. As you once rudely suggested to me- GEDDIT?

GreeBo wrote: »

Rome wasnt built in a day, they will be epic soon enough and I think most people understand what is meant by an "Epic" thread on boards.
Its just a catch-all, long running thread, it doesnt have to be fantastic or run to thousands of posts after a few months.

So even though it's neither fantastic or hasn't got to anywhere near a thousand posts it's still epic? Not a hope. Change it- take it on the chin and move on.

Redzah

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes , lot to be said for a chill, agree.

It is not the end of the world this thing.

People get bored and move on, new people come in, it is cyclical.

The only downside is, due to the extremely strict moderation , some people leave. Some people can't see there is a duel role as Mod and contributor,

GreeBo has a very strong debating style, totally unyielding. I admire his resolve. Very few people win out, the ones that don't , give up , leave. Greebo wins. He even Ignores some, this is funny as a mod. He is funny too.

We have lost another good contributor this week.

But we will all leave at some stage, there is no permanence in anything , certainly not on the Internet.

Yes I agree with the above, Greebo's dictatorship style over the golf forum just resulted in me losing interest around a year ago, as a keen golfer I felt like I had something to add to the forum and I acknowledge I'm not shy of expressing my opinion at times but when the debate was between myself and GreeBo it just resulted in a difference of views and a personality clash I guess but I ended up with infractions while GreeBo continued to sit on his throne.

I admire his commitment to the forum but I guess that possibly his modding powers need to be themselves moderated in debating forums where he has expressed his opinion and has clearly himself entered the debate.

sydneybound

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

So even though it's neither fantastic or hasn't got to anywhere near a thousand posts it's still epic? Not a hope. Change it- take it on the chin and move on.

I like posting on European & US Tour events but dislike the EPIC word in the title which I think is a little childish in fairness.

I know we've talked to dead about it but I much preferred stand alone threads for tournaments.

I wouldn't be his biggest fan but apart from maybe that thread about the 42 I feel Greebo hasn't been that heavy recently which has helped the flow on the forum, maybe it's since he played in the boards outing. I said it before that it seems a lot of older 'good' serious posters have left the forum in the last year. That Charlie lad and your man Licksy before him seem to sit back and let it flow until someone really steps out of line, which I much prefer.

realgolfgeek

wouldn't a simple poll to leave, or leave out the word epic not resolve anything.

i know, it's sad, but majority should rule !

redzerdrog

its only a bloody word in a title build a bridge. As long as people think the thread themselves are functioning properly that is all that should matter. bloody mountains out of molehills over the smallist things

realgolfgeek

redzerdrog wrote: »

its only a bloody word in a title build a bridge. As long as people think the thread themselves are functioning properly that is all that should matter. bloody mountains out of molehills over the smallist things

I agree, but I think it's more out of principle now than anything else ...
I couldn't give a hoot personally

m r c

Arguing with a moderator
- Do not argue with a moderator in a thread after they have given a warning or a ban etc. If you have an issue with a moderator's action then PM the mod in question. They will discuss it with you. You can then, if unsatisfied with the PM route, take things further along the Dispute Resolution Procedure (DRP).

Giving cheek or attitude to a moderator will get you banned.

Do not under any circumstances complain about a mod on this forum. Do it either on PM or in Feedback. Failure to adhere to any of the "mod" related rules will result in an instant 1 week ban.



All of the above means that if Greebo disagrees there is no longer any point in continuing with what ever point (right or wrong) you were trying to make. In other words when greebo joins the debate/conversation there is no longer any point in having an opinion.


That said I think he/she was worse a year or so ago.

Mister Sifter

Can we not just have a poll to get rid of Greebo as a mod?

GreeBo

m r c wrote: »

Arguing with a moderator
- Do not argue with a moderator in a thread after they have given a warning or a ban etc. If you have an issue with a moderator's action then PM the mod in question. They will discuss it with you. You can then, if unsatisfied with the PM route, take things further along the Dispute Resolution Procedure (DRP).

Giving cheek or attitude to a moderator will get you banned.

Do not under any circumstances complain about a mod on this forum. Do it either on PM or in Feedback. Failure to adhere to any of the "mod" related rules will result in an instant 1 week ban.



All of the above means that if Greebo disagrees there is no longer any point in continuing with what ever point (right or wrong) you were trying to make. In other words when greebo joins the debate/conversation there is no longer any point in having an opinion.


That said I think he/she was worse a year or so ago.

None of the above means that!
GreeBo as a moderator doesnt post on threads.
Have you ever seen me argue a point while typing like this?
No you havent, because I never do. You can argue all day long with me, Im totally fine with that. No one has every been infracted for disagreeing with my opinions. Breaching the charter gets you infracted.
So you can disagree and argue back with GreeBo the posters opinions all you want, but do it within the rules of the forum. If you dont you will get infracted by GreeBo the mod. I can separate the two, why cant you?

If you can point out an example of where you think I used the fact that I am a moderator in an argument by all means point it out to me (but you better be quick :P)

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

Apologies up front, as it's the done thing here, but that's just plain downright rude.

You have no idea what went on behind the scenes regarding this, so I really dont feel that you have any right to comment on it.

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

It's these dismissive remarks which has this forum the way it is- your downright refusal to entertain any proposals (outside of the initiation of the Epic Threads for some reason) and constant rebuttal of any criticism

Perhaps its something to do with how people broach their proposals?
Im perfectly willing to discuss any ideas, take a read back over this thread. There has been plenty of discussion about plenty of new ideas.

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

(you took that thread completely OT) serve only to reinforce the idea that you should at least moderate your moderation or do the other unspeakable. As you once rudely suggested to me- GEDDIT?

Thats 100% incorrect. The topic of the 42 was well underway before I got there.
I think you just need to accept the fact that on here Im two people.
A moderator and a poster, a small number of people dont seem willing or able to accept that Im perfectly entitled to my own opinions and to defend my position as a poster, without the fact of me being a moderator coming into it.
You dont lose an argument with me because Im a moderator, you lose it because you cannot backup your opinion, or you quit.
Neither of those facts are my problem.

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

So even though it's neither fantastic or hasn't got to anywhere near a thousand posts it's still epic? Not a hope. Change it- take it on the chin and move on.

It is an epic thread. Epic threads are long living threads to catch everything about a certain topic. They are not epic because of their age or size or fantasticness, its because of what they are designed for.

m r c

None of the above means that!
GreeBo as a moderator doesnt post on threads.
Have you ever seen me argue a point while typing like this?
No you havent, because I never do. You can argue all day long with me, Im totally fine with that. No one has every been infracted for disagreeing with my opinions. Breaching the charter gets you infracted.
So you can disagree and argue back with GreeBo the posters opinions all you want, but do it within the rules of the forum. If you dont you will get infracted by GreeBo the mod. I can separate the two, why cant you?

If you can point out an example of where you think I used the fact that I am a moderator in an argument by all means point it out to me (but you better be quick )




Greebo...... Going off topic is against the charter unless YOU decide it's ok. And it doesn't matter if you are typing in bold when you make your mind up, does it?

GreeBo

m r c wrote: »

Greebo...... Going off topic is against the charter unless YOU decide it's ok. And it doesn't matter if you are typing in bold when you make your mind up, does it?

I dont know any other way of saying this...that thread was not off topic. The original point was done and the thread moved on naturally. There was no need for any mod intervention. Why do you think its a problem (other than the fact that as the thread went on, I had a different opinion to some other posters)?

All of the posts quoted below happened before I uttered a word on that thread. The first off-topic post was post #3, yet its my fault for taking the thread off topic somehow?

ForeRight wrote: »

I saw Schevchenko play with Rory in the pro am before the Irish open this year. He is a 2 handicapper and this year I think I read he is playing on a minor tour.

He was well able to play from what I saw but by no means near good enough IMO.

Slightly off topic I saw a single figure lad have 6 pars in a row to start a round last week on the monty in carton followed by a 42 on the 7th... Yes that's a "forty two"
Bunker problems!
It was a medal.

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

Holy ****eronii, how did that come about? And I want a shot by shot account:p

How did he even count it up?

ForeRight wrote: »

Multiple penalties, hacks, slashes, plugs followed by a magnificent 1 putt as always

Jimdagym wrote: »

As the quote goes, he missed the putt for 41

Lunatic score though.

ssbob wrote: »

Guys a couple of points.......

• The lad who had a 42, surely there is a point in the hole where you pick and just NR that hole on your card......you ain't gonna gain anything and yourscore is going to be reduced to a double/triple bogey for CSS etc....
• Shenchenko(spelling?) and the likes get invites to increase sponsor revenue and spectators so I have no problem with him playing if he is going to bring people to watch the sport.
• As for Pawel, I would say he felt like curling up and dying!

bustercherry wrote: »

Strokes comp

fullstop wrote: »

I think he may have known he wasn't in the running after about 25. Pick it up.

Almaviva

Do other boards.ie forums engage in such navel gazing as the golf one ?

FixdePitchmark

Almaviva wrote: »

Do other boards.ie forums engage in such navel gazing as the golf one ?

Wouldn't say they could stomach it.

Ilik Urgee

GreeBo wrote: »

You have no idea what went on behind the scenes regarding this, so I really dont feel that you have any right to comment on it.

You saying I can't read a thread with my own eyes now? What went on behind the scenes doesn't concern me, and I have every right to comment on your dragging of that thread off topic. As you well know I was infracted for letting you know you did in the same thread.

GreeBo wrote: »

Perhaps its something to do with how people broach their proposals?
Im perfectly willing to discuss any ideas, take a read back over this thread. There has been plenty of discussion about plenty of new ideas.

More t o do with how their proposals are treated. Slam dunk into a waste paper basket springs to mind.

GreeBo wrote: »

Thats 100% incorrect. The topic of the 42 was well underway before I got there.
I think you just need to accept the fact that on here Im two people.
A moderator and a poster, a small number of people dont seem willing or able to accept that Im perfectly entitled to my own opinions and to defend my position as a poster, without the fact of me being a moderator coming into it.
You dont lose an argument with me because Im a moderator, you lose it because you cannot backup your opinion, or you quit.
Neither of those facts are my problem.

Ah the ole "I'm 2 people" gambit. Well sick of that argument.The fact that you are moderator exposes your opinion more to ridicule or debate. You seem to be the only moderator unaware of this.
Making up facts to suit your own agenda is not my problem either, but if it helps you to"win":rolleyes: your arguments so be it. Quitting when there's good reason to stay committed is unforgivable though. I wouldn't worry on that front here.

GreeBo wrote: »

It is an epic thread. Epic threads are long living threads to catch everything about a certain topic. They are not epic because of their age or size or fantasticness, its because of what they are designed for.

Nah, it's not. Neither is the "not so epic" thread. Take them down,they're foolish. they do nothing for the place only further cement ambiguity in the whole forum.

stockdam

I've no problems with the way this forum is run and I want to thanks the mods for doing a good job.

ForeRight

With recent events may I suggest we change the thread title in the feedback thread to

"Epic Feedback Thread"

FixdePitchmark

I've found a way to have an unmoderated life here.
Just get ignored by GreeBo.

ForeRight lol.