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pauldla

Zillah wrote: »

I'm not just talking about the combativeness or snide comments on punctuation, even the vocabulary used and the complexity of the ideas expressed are clearly a league beyond what is called for.

Snide comments on punctuation? There are two comments on his punctuation, are there not?

pauldla wrote: »

Having said that, you really are doing yourself no favours with your prose. Your posts would be easier to read if you used some punctuation, capitals, etc.

endacl wrote: »

Seriously dude. Punctuation! This is a 'clear ideas clearly expressed' type forum. You may not get the answers you're looking for*, but we can certainly help with spelling.

I see these as clear and direct advice to the young man in question: if you wishes to be read clearly, improve your punctuation. Why do you consider them to be snide?

It now transpires that he is a JC student. All the more reason, I would have thought, to put a little more effort into polishing up the prose.

Man City 10

So thanks for info one more thing since reading all this
Then what happens after life after say the sun explodes or you die then what thats just that so the world will end one day and thats that just like the dinosaurs we will become extinct unless we learn how to travel to another galaxy before our sun runs out
So spending years and years for ever in death sound pretty creepy don't you think
I mean if this would be the case then life is way way way short

MagicMarker

Man City 10 wrote: »

So thanks for info one more thing since reading all this
Then what happens after life after say the sun explodes or you die then what thats just that so the world will end one day and thats that just like the dinosaurs we will become extinct unless we learn how to travel to another galaxy before our sun runs out
So spending years and years for ever in death sound pretty creepy don't you think
I mean if this would be the case then life is way way way short

Speaking for myself, death is the end. There is nothing after, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Once again though, this is not a universal belief among atheists, some might believe in a life after death or reincarnation.

You can believe in an after life if you want, but just because you believe it doesn't mean it's true, and everything we know about life would lead us to believe that's it's not true.

Liamario

Man City 10 wrote: »

......
So spending years and years for ever in death sound pretty creepy don't you think
I mean if this would be the case then life is way way way short

Tell me this, what were you doing before you were born? How creepy was that?

mewso

Man City 10 wrote: »

So spending years and years for ever in death sound pretty creepy don't you think

I go to Mark Twain on this one:-

Mark Twain wrote:

I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit.

Living forever seems just as creepy to me mind.

Man City 10

mewso wrote: »

I go to Mark Twain on this one:-



Living forever seems just as creepy to me mind.

Well not living for ever but living in after life I mean Science Cannot explain everything can it ??
No it can't
Excorsim you believe in that? science cannot explain it and when it tries, it make up the biggest bull crap i have ever heard oh he was a mental patient or something with his mind caused this kind of behaviour. Some one does not go bizzare out of a sudden what i am trying to say Some Athiest not ye maybe all but from my studies what i have learned rely mostly on science not correct me if i am wrong
You cannot always rely on Science?
what about miracles there is millions of them they cannot be cuincedance(sorry for bad spelling)

MagicMarker

Man City 10 wrote: »

Well not living for ever but living in after life I mean Science Cannot explain everything can it ??
No it can't
Excorsim you believe in that? science cannot explain it and when it tries, it make up the biggest bull crap i have ever heard oh he was a mental patient or something with his mind caused this kind of behaviour. Some one does not go bizzare out of a sudden what i am trying to say Some Athiest not ye maybe all but from my studies what i have learned rely mostly on science not correct me if i am wrong
You cannot always rely on Science?
what about miracles there is millions of them they cannot be cuincedance(sorry for bad spelling)

Errr.... Ok.

For one, there are no exorcisms, because nobody is "possessed".

Secondly, there are no miracles, there is no divine intervention.

And we all rely mostly on science, every day of our lives.

Man City 10

God is unexplainable by science and this is not a scientific object of research. The definition of God is "what is and what is not". With science you can study only "what is". "What is not" is beyond science and it will always be.

Man City 10

MagicMarker wrote: »

Errr.... Ok.

For one, there are no exorcisms, because nobody is "possessed".

Secondly, there are no miracles, there is no divine intervention.

And we all rely mostly on science, every day of our lives.

SO the videos on youtube the cases for example exorcist of Emily rose can anyone explain

MagicMarker

Man City 10 wrote: »

God is unexplainable by science and this is not a scientific object of research. The definition of God is "what is and what is not". With science you can study only "what is". "What is not" is beyond science and it will always be.

Dude, I'm out...

Insect Overlord

Man City 10 wrote: »

"What is not" is beyond science and it will always be.

And that, my lad, is because god "is not".

Mark Hamill

Man City 10 wrote: »

God is unexplainable by science and this is not a scientific object of research. The definition of God is "what is and what is not". With science you can study only "what is". "What is not" is beyond science and it will always be.

"What is not", by definition doesn't exist.

MagicMarker

Man City 10 wrote: »

SO the videos on youtube the cases for example exorcist of Emily rose can anyone explain

You mean that case where the woman died because her parents and the priests withheld medical treatment? That case where the parents and priests were found guilty of manslaughter?

Seriously, you're young, not stupid. Stop getting your info from hollywood.

Mark Hamill

Man City 10 wrote: »

SO the videos on youtube the cases for example exorcist of Emily rose can anyone explain

The exorcism of Emily Rose is a hollywood film. If you mean the german girl, Anneliese Michel, that film was based on, then she was a seriously mentally disturbed girl who was the victim of some religious idiots who tortured her to death out of religious beliefs.

Man City 10

Insect Overlord wrote: »

And that, my lad, is because god "is not".

disproving the existence of something is illogical, because it would require knowledge of the entire universe, which is why disproving is not a branch of scence or logic. U would literally have to check every corner of the entire universe and make sure it isn't hiding anywhere to disprove something.

Banbh

disproving the existence of something is illogical,

If it existed, you couldn't disprove its existence.

Man City 10

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The exorcism of Emily Rose is a hollywood film. If you mean the german girl, Anneliese Michel, that film was based on, then she was a seriously mentally disturbed girl who was the victim of some religious idiots who tortured her to death out of religious beliefs.

Yes her sorry my bad I had forgotten her name so i just looked it up and that wa s the first thing that caught my eye

Man City 10

Banbh wrote: »

If it existed, you couldn't disprove its existence.

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

endacl

Man City 10 wrote: »

SO the videos on youtube the cases for example exorcist of Emily rose can anyone explain

Spirituality forum is over there >>>>>

Seriously though. Spelellinng nd pnktuashun are important in an academic paper. A good habit started today will serve you well in the fushure '!..


I'm out too. Best of luck with the project.

Banbh

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

You've had five pages of it so far.
And the answer: 'Show me this god and I'll have a look at it.'

Mark Hamill

Man City 10 wrote: »

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

Its not up to atheists to prove that god isn't real, it's up to theists to prove that god is real, as they are the one making the claim. Remember that atheism doesn't make a claim about god, it disputes the claim that theism makes about god.
Atheism disputes that claim for many reasons (you would need to offer specific theistic claims to individual atheists for specific answers) but it usually boils down to theistic claims being either internally inconsistent, inconsistent with the observable universe, or both.

Links234

Man City 10 wrote: »

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

Can you prove that Odin, Zeus, Cthulhu, Vishnu aren't real?

serious question, can you?

Penn

Man City 10 wrote: »

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

Prove that he is.

If someone claims something is real, it's their job to provide evidence for that.

There are numerous common replies to that question, such as "Prove that there isn't a miniature, weightless, odourless invisible purple unicorn spirit sitting on my shoulder". You can't prove that there isn't one, but that doesn't mean that there is one.

Atheists can't prove that there is no God. All we can do is investigate a claim which someone believes proves that there is a God.

endacl

Actually OP, I'm back in. Just for one post. I found your project on youtube. Thank me later when you get an A.

dave_o_brien

I know I'm going to regret answering this, but...

An analogy for why atheists don't need to prove God exists:

If a guy claimed to have seen a space ship that communicated to him, nobody would be expected to believe him unless he had convincing evidence of the event. That's not the same as saying that everyone thinks he made the aliens up, just that it's outside of the normal experience of most people, so it really should be up to that individual to put his case forward convincingly.

In the case of an atheist, they are asking for people to provide the compelling evidence for God, the alien in the story. It's not impossible that there is a god, it's just that god isn't necessary, and isn't apparent in everyday experience.

Liamario

OP is starting to sound suspiciously like Bill O' Reilly...

Dades

I suspect Man City has already written his project and is trying to get his conclusions confirmed.

You don't go to a Creationist school, do you?!

Seriously OP, you haven't shown the slightest inclination to absorb anything people have said. Can you give me one reason to leave this thread open?

Jimoslimos

Man City 10 wrote: »

Well tell me from an Athiest point of view if some one asked you Prove to me God is not real What your reply be

Simple: Burden of proof on the claimant.

Atheism: The lazy way out :pac:

(and +1 to all the suggestions about punctuation, grammar, spelling, etc. It'll stand to you better than a belief system which will probably fluctuate as you get older)

Dades wrote: »

I suspect Man City has already written his project and is trying to get his conclusions confirmed.

Or else has been wasting time whilst awaiting access to the soccer forum, where no doubt his youthful exuberance will be widely welcomed. OT: Wonder if it is worth implementing something similar here in A&A?

Man City 10

Dades wrote: »

I suspect Man City has already written his project and is trying to get his conclusions confirmed.

You don't go to a Creationist school, do you?!

Seriously OP, you haven't shown the slightest inclination to absorb anything people have said. Can you give me one reason to leave this thread open?

No I cannot give one reason close if you wish and if you think not taken all these wonderful peoples suggestions in then think again sure i builded but I for one have a right to ask a question and to answer
So close it Thinking of me like a dumb show case

Man City 10

And to those people who have a problem with my spelling,grammer,punctuations
Like ye were william shakespeare when yees were younger
If i had known this was an English test I would had done better and about understanding most people understood me quite enough to answer my question

Liamario

Man City 10 wrote: »

And to those people who have a problem with my spelling,grammer,punctuations
Like ye were william shakespeare when yees were younger
If i had known this was an English test I would had done better and about understanding most people understood me quite enough to answer my question

We're finding it difficult to understand what you are saying. That's why we need punctuation. Read your last post back to yourself as it is (don't put in any punctuation yourself) and you'll see how difficult it is to read.

Man City 10

Liamario wrote: »

We're finding it difficult to understand what you are saying. That's why we need punctuation. Read your last post back to yourself as it is (don't put in any punctuation yourself) and you'll see how difficult it is to read.

I read it not a problem

Man City 10

and about understanding most people understood me quite enough to answer my question
Ok maybe this sentence ok but it only took me 3 seconds to figure it out

Liamario

Man City 10 wrote: »

I read it not a problem

The fact that you wrote it helps. The rest of humanity has to read it with the invisible punctuation and it's quite difficult. Even if we put some in; some of the sentences sound like google translate from japanese.
Just take the advice. People will respect your opinions a lot more, if you form them properly (grammatically speaking).

Liamario

Man City 10 wrote: »

and about understanding most people understood me quite enough to answer my question
Ok maybe this sentence ok but it only took me 3 seconds to figure it out

You wrote it and even you struggled- what does that tell you.

Man City 10

Liamario wrote: »

You wrote it and even you struggled- what does that tell you.

To stay in school ?
If you want, If you want
There is no pressure.......
If you would want me to type like a English teacher or they way Shakespeare or even if i am sitting an English test just to make life easy for people and especially for you say so, and I will do it, Just for you for all my posts

endacl

Man City 10 wrote: »

I read it without a problem.

FYP

endacl

Man City 10 wrote: »

and about understanding most people understood me quite enough to answer my question
Ok maybe this sentence ok but it only took me 3 seconds to figure it out

Can't FYP. Its just random words.

Sorry OP. I wouldn't usually take the pi55, but you're wearing a 'kick me' sign of your own making.

Google 'hoist by his own petard'. Its a great little phrase to chuck into an essay. Your teacher will be suitably impressed.

endacl

Oh, Mods. Yes I am taking the pi55 now. A little leeway on this one before its closed?

Obliq

In fairness to the young fella, he IS using capital letters in the right places. He is lacking in full stops and commas though, and sentence structure has gone out the window because of that.

It's not Shakespearean to ask for a bit of clarity. Also, not Shakespearean to wonder why the people who made every effort to answer the OP's questions haven't been thanked? C'mon lad, show some manners eh?

endacl

Obliq wrote: »

In fairness to the young fella, he IS using capital letters in the right places.

OK. I'll give him that. He uses them in the wrong places too though...

Man City 10

Obliq wrote: »

In fairness to the young fella, he IS using capital letters in the right places. He is lacking in full stops and commas though, and sentence structure has gone out the window because of that.

It's not Shakespearean to ask for a bit of clarity. Also, not Shakespearean to wonder why the people who made every effort to answer the OP's questions haven't been thanked? C'mon lad, show some manners eh?

I thanked even praised them i can show you them

Obliq

Oh. I must have carefully ignored those. I've been giving the benefit of doubt because I have a similarly aged son up here (he actually listens to me when I say "using 'yeah so' and 'like' in every sentence, isn't taken very seriously on A&A", and he likes to be taken seriously) who is a bit nervous of posting among the grown-ups.

Obliq

Man City 10 wrote: »

I thanked even praised them i can show you them

Oh, good one. Yes please - show me, I must have missed it.

If you're up for a bit of correction, your sentence should have read "I thanked them, even praised them. I can show you them."

Obliq

BTW, my punctuation isn't perfect either, but it IS a bit more readable!

MagicMarker

Man City, out of curiosity, what exactly do you need to write for your project? What has your teacher asked you to do?

MagicMarker

Come to think of it, what kind of ****ing teacher gives JC students a project to do over Christmas?

Obliq

Man City 10 wrote: »

No I cannot give one reason close if you wish and if you think not taken all these wonderful peoples suggestions in then think again sure i builded but I for one have a right to ask a question and to answer
So close it Thinking of me like a dumb show case

Mate, was this where you thanked people? I can see it now, but you could consider that the reason I missed it was because of the lack of punctuation! It's true See the difference punctuation would make below:

No, I cannot give one reason. Close it if you wish. If you think I have not taken all these wonderful people's suggestions in, then think again. Sure, I built it but I, for one, have a right to ask a question and get an answer.

Obliq

MagicMarker wrote: »

Come to think of it, what kind of ****ing teacher gives JC students a project to do over Christmas?

True enough!

Man City 10

Well lets see.............
I will answer your questions time by time
Ye come forward to the wise one looking for answers
I will guide you