GoIreland rewrite history to make it "Irish"

MadsL

http://www.goireland.com/craic/10-irish-inventions.htm#axzz1laqhQzFM

1. The submarine: Numerous designs predate Holland.
http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAone.htm

2. "The first color photograph made according to Maxwell's prescription, a set of three monochrome "color separations", was taken by Thomas Sutton in 1861 for use in illustrating a lecture on color by Maxwell - over 30 years earlier than Joly's process.

3. Robert Boyle was the son of an English planter. Educated at Eton from the age of eight, did most of his work in Oxford and died in England. He described Ireland as "a barbarous country where chemical spirits were so misunderstood and chemical instruments so unprocurable that it was hard to have any Hermetic thoughts in it."

4. Robert Percival did not invent soda water, he only pioneered "medicinal" use of it. Commercial Soda Water was first produced by Thomas Henry in England in 1770s.

5. "Guinness" was orginally a Porter, already a popular drink in London. Guinness didn't brew a "Stout" porter until 1840, Arthur Guinness died in 1803. Porter (Arthur's original brew) continued in production until 1970. Arthur didn't invent anything, in fact he wasn't even the first to brew porter in Ireland, he just jumped on a fashion for dark beer. Porter was first brewed in Ireland in 1776, Guinness started brewing in 1778. From 1759 (the supposed 'birthday' of "Guinness" according to Diageo marketing) to 1778 Guinness was brewing ale.

6. In 1914, a British army colonel named Ernest Swinton and William Hankey, secretary of the Committee for Imperial Defence, championed the idea of an armored vehicle with conveyor-belt-like tracks over its wheels that could break through enemy lines and traverse difficult territory.

The first tank prototype, Little Willie, was unveiled in September 1915. Following its underwhelming performance--it was slow, became overheated and couldn’t cross trenches--a second prototype, known as "Big Willie," was produced. By 1916, this armored vehicle was deemed ready for battle and made its debut at the First Battle of the Somme.

7. James Martin just refined the ejector seat to fire downwards. It was invented, tested, patented by a Romanian 1930. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastase_Dragomir

8. About the year 1820 American merchantmen, sailing between Brazil and New England, often carried rubber as extra ballast on the home voyage and dumped it on the wharves at Boston. One of the shipmasters exhibited to his friends a pair of native shoes made from rubber. Another, with more foresight, brought home five hundred pairs, and offered them for sale. http://inventors.about.com/cs/inventorsalphabet/a/rubber_2.htm

Leverette Candee made rubber shoes as far back as 1843, and even had a licence from Dunlop to do so. Rubber shoes were well established items by 1850.

9. Finally. TRUE!!! Whilst Rutherford would be regarded as the father of modern nuclear science, it was in fact Walton and Cockroft (an Englishman) who split the atom. Where? Cambridge University.

10. True!

So, 2/10 GoIreland, well done for enhancing the Irish reputation for fanciful storytelling.

Anyone got any real Irish inventions to send them?

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Red lemonade and Tayto's.

MagicMarker

Sure didn't we invent the potato? And the harp?

Bipolar Joe

Inb4 begrudgery.

Lapin

Go Ireland - Inventor of Propaganda !

MadsL

Stealth Recce wrote: »

Red lemonade and Tayto's.

Red lemonade is debatable, "pink" lemonade was widely drunk around europe and usually red not pink.

Tayto's were however the world's first flavoured crisps.

squod

Sarcasm

Einhard

MadsL wrote: »

3. Robert Boyle was the son of an English planter. Educated at Eton from the age of eight, did most of his work in Oxford and died in England. He described Ireland as "a barbarous country where chemical spirits were so misunderstood and chemical instruments so unprocurable that it was hard to have any Hermetic thoughts in it."

So, he was Irish then...

admiralofthefleet

about time we claimed stuff, the brits are always claiming anything decent thats irish as theirs

antodeco

Pat Mustard

Kxiii

Einhard wrote: »

So, he was Irish then...

Born in Lismore Co. Waterford.

Waterford also gave the world the cream cracker.

Mr Benevolent

7. James Martin just refined the ejector seat to fire downwards. It was invented, tested, patented by a Romanian 1930.

James Martin was from Northern Ireland, therefore he wasn't Irish anyway, he was a UK citizen.

Seaneh

MadsL wrote: »

5. "Guinness" was orginally a Porter, already a popular drink in London. Guinness didn't brew a "Stout" porter until 1840, Arthur Guinness died in 1803. Porter (Arthur's original brew) continued in production until 1970. Arthur didn't invent anything, in fact he wasn't even the first to brew porter in Ireland, he just jumped on a fashion for dark beer. Porter was first brewed in Ireland in 1776, Guinness started brewing in 1778. From 1759 (the supposed 'birthday' of "Guinness" according to Diageo marketing) to 1778 Guinness was brewing ale.

He didn't invent porter, but he did invent the Brand Guinness and the original recipes, Guiness, as a brand, is the best selling drink of all time.
They didn't claim he invented Porter, or stout, they claim he invented Guinness, which he did.

Try harder to promote your self hate.

3ndahalfof6

coal

MadsL

Einhard wrote: »

So, he was Irish then...

In the same way De Valera was American I suppose.

Both Boyle's parents were English, and whilst he was born in Ireland he was schooled at Eton from the age of eight. He did his "Grand Tour" of Europe and settled in Geneva, then moved to England in the summer of 1644. He settled in Stalbridge, the family English estate. He paid two lengthy visits to Ireland during the early 50s (for a year from June 1652, and then for eight months from Oct 1653), and wrote a letter describing Ireland as " this illiterate country".

He profited greatly from Cromwell, sucking 3000 pounds a year from his estates in Ireland as an absentee landlord. He lived then in Oxford, and later London until his death.

Sure why not claim him as "Irish"... :rolleyes:

razorblunt

The perfect milky cup of tae

Einhard

MadsL wrote: »

Sure why not claim him as "Irish"... :rolleyes:

Eh, because he was Irish. LOL not sure what your issue is here. Man born in Ireland, lived here for first 8 years of his life. Seems pretty Irish to me. You seem to think that someone disliking a place automatically means that person is not of that place. If that were the case, Lord Haw Haw would be considered German!

MadsL

Seaneh wrote: »

He didn't invent porter, but he did invent the Brand Guinness and the original recipes, Guiness, as a brand, is the best selling drink of all time.
They didn't claim he invented Porter, or stout, they claim he invented Guinness, which he did.

Ah he "invented" the brand. So he leapt on a trend, sold the same drink as everyone else, didn't call it anything other than Porter until after his death, the recipe has been changed a million times since then, and the only "Guinness" made during Arthur's lifetime was "West India Porter"

He no more "invented" Guinness than Cadbury's "invented chocolate".

Try harder to promote your self hate.

Historical truth = self hate?

Try harder to see past a British company's marketing department's output.

MadsL

Einhard wrote: »

Eh, because he was Irish. LOL not sure what your issue is here. Man born in Ireland, lived here for first 8 years of his life. Seems pretty Irish to me. You seem to think that someone disliking a place automatically means that person is not of that place. If that were the case, Lord Haw Haw would be considered German!

Ah, I see. So there never was "800 years of oppression" then. Just rich Irish oppressing poor Irish. The Planters' sons being Irish and all.

Funny thing Irish History...do something good you become Irish, something bad you become "Anglo-Irish" invading oppressors. Who knew.

Sound of Silence

Isn't it common knowledge that Alexander Graham Bell almost certainly invented the telephone, not that dastardly usurper Antonio Meucci, the sly dog!The same goes for Thomas Edison, who's constantly badgered by the general public for riding on the coattails of the wonderful Nikola Tesla! I've never heard such codswallop and I won't believe it for a moment!

And who invented the Radio? Guglielmo Marconi, of course! Again not that thieving Tesla!

It's clear that the World has been infected with that terrible and dastardly Irish "Disease" of misappropriation! I guess Robert Boyle was right - we are a "barbarous" Country, aren't we!

galwayrush

Boards.ie is Irish.

D-Generate

MadsL wrote: »

He no more "invented" Guinness than Cadbury's "invented chocolate".

The correct analogy would be saying that Cadbury's invented Cadbury's chocolate... which they did.

It is a stupid fact saying an Irishman, Arthur Guinness, invented Guinness but it is a true fact nonetheless.

Einhard

MadsL wrote: »

Ah, I see. So there never was "800 years of oppression" then. Just rich Irish oppressing poor Irish. The Planters' sons being Irish and all.

Funny thing Irish History...do something good you become Irish, something bad you become "Anglo-Irish" invading oppressors. Who knew.

Wut?

What the hell are you smoking? You seem to be having an argument with yourself, bucause I never mentioned 800 years of oppression.

For the record, IMO the Anglo Irish were most definitely Irish, in the same way as French Canadians are most definitely Canadian.

charlemont

Confab wrote: »

James Martin was from Northern Ireland, therefore he wasn't Irish anyway, he was a UK citizen.

Your a good bloke, You never let your mild retardation get in your way when posting..

Sound of Silence

MadsL wrote: »

Ah, I see. So there never was "800 years of oppression" then. Just rich Irish oppressing poor Irish. The Planters' sons being Irish and all.

Funny thing Irish History...do something good you become Irish, something bad you become "Anglo-Irish" invading oppressors. Who knew.

Remove that chip from your shoulder.

I'm not sure how interested you actually are in the topic of the thread itself, but know this, that it was you who brought up the whole "800 Years" baloney first. Not anyone else here.

We'll continue to feign interest in a thread that was created for an entirely different purpose than what the title would lead one to believe.

MadsL

Interesting. Cromwell said of Boyle's father, 1st Earl of Cork

'If there had been an Earl of Cork in every province it would have been impossible for the Irish to have raised a rebellion.'

Yet, you want to claim his son as a true Irishman.

Wow.

im invisible

Confab wrote: »

James Martin was from Northern Ireland, therefore he wasn't Irish anyway, he was a UK citizen.

eh, i dont know how to break ths to you...

Sound of Silence

Einhard wrote: »

For the record, IMO the Anglo Irish were most definitely Irish, in the same way as French Canadians are most definitely Canadian.

We honestly can't let the OP believe that our minds are capable of complex thought! Heaven forbid we convince him that our view of the World is not confined by a crude Nationalist myopia.

If we argue that the Anglo-Irish are in fact wholly Irish, then we are simply riding on the coattails of those who the OP expects us to hate. As such, he would accuse us of not embracing his frankly jaded view of Irish Nationalism.

If we argue that the Anglo-Irish are not in fact Irish, then we are nothing but bigots in the OP's eyes, incapable of interpreting the World beyond the confines of National Identity.

I actually entertained the idea of the Irish identity in a previous post.

MadsL

D-Generate wrote: »

The correct analogy would be saying that Cadbury's invented Cadbury's chocolate... which they did.

The claim is "he invented the best-selling alcoholic drink of all time"

1. He didn't invent anything
2. Best-selling??? Current production of modern-era Guinness (not the same drink, roasted unmalted barley wasn't added until the 20th Century) is NOT the worlds best selling drink. At its height of Global production Guinness produced ~10 million hectolitres (8.3m barrels) it doesn't even make it into the top 10 in 2011. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/worlds-most-popular-beer_n_1914327.html

Globally, Heineken out sells Guinness 3:1 and Snow Beer outsells it 6:1.
"best-selling alcoholic drink of all time" me arse.

Sound of Silence wrote: »

We honestly can't let the OP believe that our minds are capable of complex thought! Heaven forbid we convince him that our view of the World is not confined by a crude Nationalist myopia.

If we argue that the Anglo-Irish are in fact wholly Irish, then we are simply riding on the coattails of those who the OP expects us to hate. As such, he would accuse us of not embracing his frankly jaded view of Irish Nationalism.

If we argue that the Anglo-Irish are not in fact Irish, then we are nothing but bigots in the OP's eyes, incapable of interpreting the World beyond the confines of National Identity.

I actually entertained the idea of the Irish identity in a previous post.

Ah, well done. You see through my little puzzle that I posed to you. So. Boyle? Irish or not?

Forgive my view of Irish Nationalism becoming jaded, but when I see a State Agency making up history, I tend to become a little cynical.

And inventing the tank? What. The. Holy. ****?

Sound of Silence wrote: »

Remove that chip from your shoulder.

What chip do you see?

LivelineDipso

MadsL wrote: »

7. James Martin just refined the ejector seat to fire downwards.

The TV chef?

MadsL

LivelineDipso wrote: »

The TV chef?

No, the priest. :rolleyes:

My name is URL

MadsL wrote: »

Little Willie

Get over it, dude. It's not a measurement of happiness.

MadsL

My name is URL wrote: »

Get over it, dude. It's not a measurement of happiness.

Of course it is a measurement of a-penis.

The tank, the architype of big car, small dick syndrome.

Used to drive a Smart myself

Einhard

MadsL wrote: »

Interesting. Cromwell said of Boyle's father, 1st Earl of Cork

'If there had been an Earl of Cork in every province it would have been impossible for the Irish to have raised a rebellion.'

Yet, you want to claim his son as a true Irishman.

Wow.

I don't want to claim him as anything. I'm simply pointing out that he's Irish. Just because one hates one's fellow countrymen, doesn't make one a foreigner.

MadsL wrote: »

Forgive my view of Irish Nationalism becoming jaded, but when I see a State Agency making up history, I tend to become a little cynical.

And inventing the tank? What. The. Holy. ****?

What's it got to do with nationalism. Both Irish and foreign people see Boyle as Irish. I don't see how you're having difficulty with this.

MadsL

Einhard wrote: »

I don't want to claim him as anything. I'm simply pointing out that he's Irish. Just because one hates one's fellow countrymen, doesn't make one a foreigner.

Do you think he would have described himself as Irish? Another famous "irishman" Wellington had something to say on accidents of birth. Something about stables and horses, iirc.

What's it got to do with nationalism. Both Irish and foreign people see Boyle as Irish. I don't see how you're having difficulty with this.

I'm merely amused at the thought of the son of the Lord Treasurer, a great supporter of Cromwell and absentee landlord being lauded by a State Agency as an "Irish Inventor". No difficulty, just chuckling at the irony.

I notice you didn't give your view as to his nationality.

Xivilai

Wellington didn't actually say that though did he.

SV

Why do ya actually give a flying fúck?

MadsL

Xivilai wrote: »

Wellington didn't actually say that though did he.

No. Hence the iirc.

That was O'Connell denying any claim of his to Irishness. The irony continues.

Einhard

MadsL wrote: »

I'm merely amused at the thought of the son of the Lord Treasurer, a great supporter of Cromwell and absentee landlord being lauded by a State Agency as an "Irish Inventor". No difficulty, just chuckling at the irony.

So now your claiming that a person's nationality should be based on the actions or opinions of that person's father?

I notice you didn't give your view as to his nationality.

Whose? I think Boyle was Irish. Indeed, having been born in Ireland, I know Boyle was Irish.

MadsL

SV wrote: »

Why do ya actually give a flying fúck?

I'll carry on now, enlightened. Thanks for setting me straight. Glad you gave enough of a a flying fúck to stop me giving a flying fúck. Gosh. What it everybody gave a flying fúck? God forbid someone should actually question something they are told is true. Where would that actually lead? Anarchy, that's what. People looking up stuff in history and the like. Madness.

SV

MadsL wrote: »

I'll carry on now, enlightened. Thanks for setting me straight. Glad you gave enough of a a flying fúck to stop me giving a flying fúck. Gosh. What it everybody gave a flying fúck? God forbid someone should actually question something they are told is true. Where would that actually lead? Anarchy, that's what. People looking up stuff in history and the like. Madness.

I asked why you gave a flying fúck, I didn't tell you stop.

Question away but seriously, the effort you appear to be putting into this...it's quite disconcerting.
I see you're annoyed now, best of luck with that. Go get another can of coke out of the fridge there and throw another pizza into the oven, some people on the internet are WRONG and you don't have time to sleep.

MadsL

Einhard wrote: »

So now your claiming that a person's nationality should be based on the actions or opinions of that person's father?

Interesting. Does nationality have nothing to do with your father's nationality?

Whose? I think Boyle was Irish. Indeed, having been born in Ireland, I know Boyle was Irish.

Really. What sovereignty did Ireland have in 1627 to grant him such nationality?

MadsL

SV wrote: »

I asked why you gave a flying fúck, I didn't tell you stop.

Question away but seriously, the effort you appear to be putting into this...it's quite disconcerting.
I see you're annoyed now, best of luck with that. Go get another can of coke out of the fridge there and throw another pizza into the oven, some people on the internet are WRONG and you don't have time to sleep.

Aren't you the one stopping by to tell me I'm wrong about how I spend my time? Wow. Well Done!

SV

MadsL wrote: »

Aren't you the one stopping by to tell me I'm wrongabout how I spend my time? Wow. Well Done!

I didn't say you were wrong about it, I said it's disconcerting.

Odd how you have such a problem reading and yet are managing to debate this mad fake history craic.

best of luck old buddy old pal

xxxxx

syklops

Interesting. Does nationality have nothing to do with your father's nationality?

Nope. My father is Scottish. I am Irish. His Nationality has nothing to do with mine.

MadsL

SV wrote: »

I didn't say you were wrong about it, I said it's disconcerting.

Be sure and dream about me...;) Nighty Night.

Einhard

MadsL, this was fun but I think you're just in the mood for an argument so I'm bowing out!! adios!

MadsL

syklops wrote: »

Nope. My father is Scottish. I am Irish. His Nationality has nothing to do with mine.

So if you were born in Spain on holiday, would you describe yourself as Spanish?
To help you, you might want to read the text of the 27th Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this Constitution, a person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, who does not have, at the time of the birth of that person, at least one parent who is an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen is not entitled to Irish citizenship or nationality, unless provided for by law.

Clearly the majority of the Irish population consider parents' nationality to be very much to do with a child's nationality?

MadsL

Einhard wrote: »

MadsL, this was fun but I think you're just in the mood for an argument so I'm bowing out!! adios!

Feel free. Others see Boyle as very much an Englishman. We clearly disagree.

Even if we allow Boyle, that's 7/10 inventions made up by GoIreland.

thund3rbird_

Kxiii wrote: »

Born in Lismore Co. Waterford.

Waterford also gave the world the cream cracker.

and the rasher

MadsL

Kxiii wrote: »

Waterford also gave the world the cream cracker.

Oh, thanks for that... feckingtracksuitwearingjunkiethieving..oh, you mean..:o