shooting in dublin again

UCDVet

Kinzig wrote: »

The one he was shot with is banned, its an illegal firearm in the possession of a gangster:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What?!?

You mean to tell me people who go around shooting other people have little respect for the law?

I refuse to believe it.

No, we just need to pass a new law making guns illegal and that will be that.

Fr_Dougal

Kinzig wrote: »

The one he was shot with is banned, its an illegal firearm in the possession of a gangster:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Right. We should ban gangsters so.

zenno

biko wrote: »

I think it would be enough to ban guns in Stab City and Scumbagville.
The rest of the country doesn't seem to have a particular gun problem.

This removing of guns will never happen and you know that as well as I do, it will never happen, as these guns are getting in through cracks where you cannot even see a crack so it will not happen.

It's up to law enforcement and to be honest the ****ing army should be brought in to deal with this, as it's the only way.

If any of you have a brighter idea then share it.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

zenno wrote: »

It's up to law enforcement and to be honest the ****ing army should be brought in to deal with this, as it's the only way.

The DF will not be used internally unless the sh1t totally hit the fan, this is not the case thus far. Criminals shooting criminals with normal folk getting killed in the crossfire is not enough to get the DF involved.

Its a matter for the AGS and their various branches.

zenno

Stealth Recce wrote: »

The DF will not be used internally unless the sh1t totally hit the fan, this is not the case thus far. Criminals shooting criminals with normal folk getting killed in the crossfire is not enough to get the DF involved.

Its a matter for the AGS and their various branches.

I know, but what else can any of you suggest to deal with it ?

AGS and branch with their limited manpower and also the cutbacks within the ERU etc... it seems to me that most people would have the attitude of...let them kill each other and after a while the streets will be clean ?

Larianne

What about some sort of conscription to the army before the scallys get involved with the gangs? Say teens who have a number of convictions/run-ins with the law before they're 18?

Just thinking out loud here. WOuldn't know if its feasible or not.

Boombastic

Larianne wrote: »

What about some sort of conscription to the army before the scallys get involved with the gangs? Say teens who have a number of convictions/run-ins with the law before they're 18?

Just thinking out loud here. WOuldn't know if its feasible or not.

Moving targets?:pac:

Praetorian Saighdiuir

zenno wrote: »

I know, but what else can any of you suggest to deal with it ?

AGS and branch with their limited manpower and also the cutbacks within the ERU etc... it seems to me that most people would have the attitude of...let them kill each other and after a while the streets will be clean ?

There is zero deterrent in this country for criminals. The laws need to change. I am in favour of the death penalty for certain crimes, its not a popular opinion but if it was in effect for the likes of a pre meditated murder, I would imagine that these "pop and drop" shootings would be substantially reduced.

Everyday we hear of people being arrested for various crimes who are seen leniently by the courts. Their defence....not enough room in the clinker. Well if theres not enough room, there is plenty to do on the streets...like clean them. Most repeat offenders have a conviction list the length of my arm. Even something as radical as an offenders families welfare payments being substantially reduced / denied for heinous crimes. This obviously wont sit well with others but fcuk them.

Why should these scumbags and their families get away with the sh1t that they pull. Oh and before someone chimes in with "ah no need to punish a law abiding family just because of one bad egg"........bollox.

Crime most definately does pay in Ireland. The Government needs to radically change their punishment / deterrent policy.......but it looks like its already too late.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Larianne wrote: »

What about some sort of conscription to the army before the scallys get involved with the gangs? Say teens who have a number of convictions/run-ins with the law before they're 18?

Just thinking out loud here. WOuldn't know if its feasible or not.

Not a hope. This may work for a small percentage but not the masses. To effectively train a civillian to a soldier it takes 6-9 months, its the training staff and logistics of such an endeavor would require a shed load of funding. The DF budget is relatively small and the country just couldnt afford to do it.

Not only that, the problem there is, even if no weapon training is involved, you may be sending well trained scumbags back out onto the street.....defo not what you want.

Conmaicne Mara

I am not in favour of drugs. However, I am starting to wonder what effect legalising and regulating some of the softer drugs might have on the income stream of these gangs? I would be in favour of much harsher penalties on dealers of harder more addictive drugs. I would also think there would need to be some degree of personal responsibility that recreational use of the softer drugs would rule people out of certain jobs.

Rabble, rabble, alcohol, rabble, unfair, blah. Let's just get that out the way.

Larianne

Stealth Recce wrote: »

Not a hope. This may work for a small percentage but not the masses. To effectively train a civillian to a soldier it takes 6-9 months, its the training staff and logistics of such an endeavor would require a shed load of funding. The DF budget is relatively small and the country just couldnt afford to do it.

Not only that, the problem there is, even if no weapon training is involved, you may be sending well trained scumbags back out onto the street.....defo not what you want.

Worked in Police Academy. :pac:

I don't know the psychology of army training but would it not work on a number of them as its getting them out of their home environment and they would get education and a variety of careers could be made available to them.

Not the same thing, but a good few unruly lads I went to school with ended up joining the army and they did very well for themselves.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Larianne wrote: »

Worked in Police Academy. :pac:

I don't know the psychology of army training but would it not work on a number of them as its getting them out of their home environment and they would get education and a variety of careers could be made available to them.

Not the same thing, but a good few unruly lads I went to school with ended up joining the army and they did very well for themselves.

Ya see thats two very seperate situations.

• Being turfed into a strict military environment for the purposes of reform.
• Voluntarily joing the DF in the hope of becoming a soldier for a career.

Back in the day, Im led to believe that some people who came infront of a judge did infact have a choice between a jail sentance or a stint in the army.



The psychology behind military training is to isolate you from what you are comfortable with, mentally break you down by strict discipline, build you up back up the way they want you. I dont care what anyone says, if trained right, you are not the same as when you went in.



There is a possibility that this may work to reform people. For this to work, we would need to increase our numbers, which the Government wont increase because of "funds". A 12 month "rotating door" bootcamp may be a good idea. It could introduce soldier like qualities and self belief and esteem to these lost youngsters.....but what happens after their time is up?

Kinzig

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Right. We should ban gangsters so.

Nah, a ban on daft suggestions would help though:pac:

Kinzig

No, we just need to pass a new law making guns illegal and that will be that

Right then we will make them doubly illegal, that will sort it:rolleyes:

Tchaikovsky

Ban something, ffs

Larianne

Stealth Recce wrote: »

Ya see thats two very seperate situations.

• Being turfed into a strict military environment for the purposes of reform.
• Voluntarily joing the DF in the hope of becoming a soldier for a career.

Back in the day, Im led to believe that some people who came infront of a judge did infact have a choice between a jail sentance or a stint in the army.



The psychology behind military training is to isolate you from what you are comfortable with, mentally break you down by strict discipline, build you up back up the way they want you. I dont care what anyone says, if trained right, you are not the same as when you went in.



There is a possibility that this may work to reform people. For this to work, we would need to increase our numbers, which the Government wont increase because of "funds". A 12 month "rotating door" bootcamp may be a good idea. It could introduce soldier like qualities and self belief and esteem to these lost youngsters.....but what happens after their time is up?

So there is a chance it could work?

I guess after their training, there would have to be opportunties available to them, a support system of some sort.

Yeah, I'm dreaming here I know, but if people stopped giving up on these kids, something might change.

Fr_Dougal

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Ban something, ffs

What about we ban shooting people?

Big Bottom

Im surprised there isnt the usual hard men of AHs jumping on the band wagan here and saying how they probably deserved it.

greenheart

Stealth Recce wrote: »

There is zero deterrent in this country for criminals.

The more charges they have the harder they think they are, they wear them like a badge of honour, get goal time they don't care - time to learn the trade and make connections.
I don't know what the answer is but the government need to focus on the next generation to stop Dublin becoming like London.

Jonah42

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What about we ban shooting people?

What, you mean like, make it illegal?

MadsL

UCDVet wrote: »

These shootings would stop if we made owning a gun illegal.

Yeah, these ne'er do wells would sit up and take notice then..:rolleyes: