Has Ireland become Lawless

old hippy

Hootanany wrote: »

Bog Orf

That's your proof that Ireland has been taken over by criminals, is it?

Astounding.

TheDoc

lol @ your mans comment , country being taken over by criminals.

would you ever get a grip, jesus christ did you just walk out of your house for the first time this week?

Hootanany

Criminals don't fear the Guards anymore Soft Judges Hotel like Prisons,
I could go on.

The King of Moo

Hootanany wrote: »

Criminals don't fear the Guards anymore Soft Judges Hotel like Prisons,
I could go on.

Please don't.
You've contributed nothing of substance to your own thread.

Ally Dick

Ally Dick wrote: »

. Look at the A&E departments with the staff on a passive aggressive go-slow. They want things to come to a head so that Minister Reilly will give in.

This may well be the biggest pile of horse**** I've ever read on boards, and that's saying something.

Hootanany

The King of Moo wrote: »

Please don't.
You've contributed nothing of substance to your own thread.

I have just asked a question go figure that out Einstien.

Faith+1

This will end well

end of the road

Hootanany wrote: »

Einstien.

Einstien? who's that then? i've heard of einstein but never Einstien. tell me more.

old hippy

Hootanany wrote: »

Criminals don't fear the Guards anymore Soft Judges Hotel like Prisons,
I could go on.

With more poorly conceived cliches with not a shred of evidence to back them up?

Hippies!

Nice thread.

old hippy

Hippies! wrote: »

Nice thread.

Do you think it's become lawless? Ireland, that is, not the thread.

Death and Taxes

Ireland is not lawless, indeed it has a relatively low crime rate by International standards.
However for those unfortunate enough to be a victim of crime, the above is probably of lttle comfort.

Judge Weiner

There are feck all guards around these days. You could break the law and face a very good chance of getting away with it. Even if you get caught, the worst you get is a fine which will turn into a few hours in the reception of a massively overcrowded prison.

Crime pays.

old hippy

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Ireland is not lawless, indeed it has a relatively low crime rate by International standards.
However for those unfortunate enough to be a victim of crime, the above is probably of lttle comfort.

In the 80s & early 90s, I had knives pulled on me several times, been beaten, asked for heroin when I was 14 :eek: and mugged and other criminal happenings. I told this to an ould fella once, who was from Dublin and he said, it reminded him of growing up in the 50s and 60s! I'm pretty sure people were saying much the same thing back then

Ireland is not lawless. There does seem to be a lot more paranoid people around these days, mind...

old hippy

Judge Weiner wrote: »

There are feck all guards around these days. You could break the law and face a very good chance of getting away with it. Even if you get caught, the worst you get is a fine which will turn into a few hours in the reception of a massively overcrowded prison.

Crime pays.

Links? Evidence to back up claims? Get caught doing what, exactly?

Judge Weiner

old hippy wrote: »

Links? Evidence to back up claims? Get caught doing what, exactly?

It is a well documented fact that those who are arrested on foot of penal warrants for non payment of fines only serve hours of their sentences.

Hippies!

old hippy wrote: »

Do you think it's become lawless? Ireland, that is, not the thread.

Ireland; nope.

Thread; Yes & very enjoyable :pac:

I'm easily entertained.

Piriz

Piriz wrote: »

the actual story is he committed tax fraud to the tune of €1.6 million..

And thats fair enough but its not that as such but the blatant inconsistencies in the law. Do judges have a bit too much autonomy for one? I mean you hear of people been thrown into prison for not having dog licences or tv licences when surely a bit of community service would be better. Jail should be the last resort.

On the other hand perhaps judges are influenced to give less harsh sentences for serious crimes because of the cost of keeping prisoners and the fact that the jails are full.

I know its broken record stuff at this stage but tax fraud to the cost of €1.6m in comparison to our friends in 'that bank' (amongst others). I mean there seems to be no legal consistency. If your in the right circle you get away with things and i doubt many are imagining it

dar926

Its no more lawless than it ever was.. Paul Williams would like you to believe it is But we are on our 3rd or 4th Heroin epidemic at this stage... We have always had organised crime... be it "Republicans and Loyalists "Liberating Monies for the cause" and planting bombs and shooting people or today's Sunday World crime pin ups... Or the decades of criminal politicians.. We have seen it all before really... Maybe during the 70s and 80s we were hearing more about the war in the north than the heroin problem in Dublin but that doesn't mean it wasn't there...

Hootanany

Deleted User wrote: »

And thats fair enough but its not that as such but the blatant inconsistencies in the law. Do judges have a bit too much autonomy for one? I mean you hear of people been thrown into prison for not having dog licences or tv licences when surely a bit of community service would be better. Jail should be the last resort.

On the other hand perhaps judges are influenced to give less harsh sentences for serious crimes because of the cost of keeping prisoners and the fact that the jails are full.

I know its broken record stuff at this stage but tax fraud to the cost of €1.6m in comparison to our friends in 'that bank' (amongst others). I mean there seems to be no legal consistency. If your in the right circle you get away with things and i doubt many are imagining it

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monkeypants

tipp_Gunner wrote: »

I mean you hear of people been thrown into prison for not having dog licences or tv licences

I don't think that's ever happened.

People have more likely been told to purchase a licence and/or pay a fine and failed to do so. They've been jailed for contempt of court most likely.

Judge Weiner

monkeypants wrote: »

I don't think that's ever happened.

People have more likely been told to purchase a licence and/or pay a fine and failed to do so. They've been jailed for contempt of court most likely.

Jail in default of paying a fine most likely.

Hootanany

Judge Weiner wrote: »

Jail in default of paying a fine most likely.

I concur.

Grayson

Madam_X wrote: »

I've never heard of anyone going to jail for not paying their TV licence.

The social stigma of not paying is enough punishment.

Judge Weiner

Can you live with the shame?

Madam_X

That ad campaign is definitely the bigger crime.

monkeypants

Madam_X wrote: »

That ad campaign is definitely the bigger crime.

I liked the ad where the chap was trying to pay by serenading the licence invoice. For some reason, it was a radio ad and on a station that manages to pay it's own way (FM104). Conflicting messages.