The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2013

The Lost Sheep

County Quarter-Final Draw made this evening
Kildangan v Clonoulty-Rossmore
Drom & Inch v Nenagh Eire Og
Eire Og Annacarty v Borris-Ileigh
Killenaule v Loughmore-Castleiney

Games to played next weekend. Think Clonoulty, Drom, Borrisoleigh and Loughmore will win. Anyone feel different?

Spirit of 67

County Senior Football Preliminary Quarter-Final Draw :

T MacDonaghs v JK Brackens

Cahir v Arravale R

Galtee R v Kilsheelan

Eire Og Annacarty a bye

There was meant to be a playoff this weekend between Cahir and Killenaule , but it seems last years South Champions Killenaule have pulled out !

Davin Stand

Very surprised not to see any post on yesterday's Ladies Football All Ireland Semi Final in Semple Stadium. I have never seen a finish like it, nor indeed has anyone else, I would say. Fermanagh were 4 points in front with a minute to play and Tipp scored 1-2 in the last minute to win the game, with the winning point going over the bar as the hooter blew for full time. Joy for Tipp and heartbreak for Fermanagh. There is no doubt at all that Fermanagh were the better team and had they won by that 4 points, no one from Tipp would have had a word of complaint. Tipp now play Cavan in the All Ireland Final in 3 weeks time in Croke Park. The finish is up on You Tube and well worth a look.

ReacherCreature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNFQXj-9Jdg

Such a woeful kickout to collapse it all, I think she miskicked it. That was a terrific finish for the goal and the point to win it was clutch. Congratulations to them!

The Lost Sheep

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

County Senior Football Preliminary Quarter-Final Draw :

T MacDonaghs v JK Brackens

Cahir v Arravale R

Galtee R v Kilsheelan

Eire Og Annacarty a bye

There was meant to be a playoff this weekend between Cahir and Killenaule , but it seems last years South Champions Killenaule have pulled out !

What does Pelim Quarter final mean? Is this just the last round before the 1/4s or am I missing something?
Brackens, Arravale and Galtee to win IMO

What way are u21 championships going this year? These are last to be played most years and finals played xmas week etc so will this year be any different?

Spirit of 67

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

What does Pelim Quarter final mean? Is this just the last round before the 1/4s or am I missing something?
Brackens, Arravale and Galtee to win IMO

What way are u21 championships going this year? These are last to be played most years and finals played xmas week etc so will this year be any different?

It`s the round before the quarter final , Commericals , Aherlow , Loughmore and Moyle Rovers already in the Quarter final after winning their groups .

Under 21 Football is over since April , Ardfinnan are County Champions . Hurling has already stared in the Mid and West !

The Lost Sheep

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

It`s the round before the quarter final , Commericals , Aherlow , Loughmore and Moyle Rovers already in the Quarter final after winning their groups .

Under 21 Football is over since April , Ardfinnan are County Champions . Hurling has already stared in the Mid and West !

Thanks.
By started teams only played once/twice I assume. Will Hurling finish before end of December this year? Would be great if u21 hurling could actually for once played in conditions suited to Hurling and not Rugby

The Lost Sheep

The Munster CCC met tonight. Format of the Munster Championships for 2014 was discussed. there were two proposals.
Limerick proposed returning to seeded draw with Cork and Kerry in to a semi-final with the other 4 counties playing in quarter-finals for the right to meet either Cork or Kerry. This was seconded by Cork.

Tipp proposed that Cork and Kerry receive a bye to the semi-final with the other 4 counties playing in the quarter-finals. The difference from proposal number 1 was that the semi-final draw would be open, i.e. no seeding. This was seconded by Clare.

There was no proposal for the status quo, i.e. an open draw which has been in place since the 2009 Munster Championship.
When put to a vote, motion 1 was passed on a vote of 6 to 3.

This recommendation from the CCC was then brought forward to a full meeting of the Munster Council to be ratified. This was proposed by Limerick and seconded by Cork. There was no counter-proposal so the Munster Council passed motion 1 without a vote.
The motion passed tonight is only for 2014.

Shame to see this be passed. How is this good for football in Munster??

Davin Stand

Shameful decision by the Munster Council last night and a real kick in the teeth for the footballers of Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Waterford. A seeded draw will always be supported by Cork and Kerry as it makes things that bit easier for them. However the other 4 counties have the votes to stop this proposal any year, once they vote together. If one of the 4 breaks ranks it becomes very tight with 3 counties for and 3 against and the votes of the Council officers then decide the issue. Last night however, both Limerick and Waterford broke ranks so the seeded draw was brought back. If that was not enough, Limerick actually proposed the return of the seeded draw. Of course, this does not benefit Munster football in any way. not that Kerry or Cork will worry about that. The last thing they want is for any of the other 4 counties to break into their nice cushy monopoly. How Limerick decided to propose this motion is impossible to understand, although it does look better from the point of view of Cork and Kerry that the Limerick County Board were the proposers. There must be someting in this vote for both LK and WD. Doubt if the LK players are impressed.

Davin Stand

Davin Stand wrote: »

Shameful decision by the Munster Council last night and a real kick in the teeth for the footballers of Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Waterford. A seeded draw will always be supported by Cork and Kerry as it makes things that bit easier for them. However the other 4 counties have the votes to stop this proposal any year, once they vote together. If one of the 4 breaks ranks it becomes very tight with 3 counties for and 3 against and the votes of the Council officers then decide the issue. Last night however, both Limerick and Waterford broke ranks so the seeded draw was brought back. If that was not enough, Limerick actually proposed the return of the seeded draw. Of course, this does not benefit Munster football in any way. not that Kerry or Cork will worry about that. The last thing they want is for any of the other 4 counties to break into their nice cushy monopoly. How Limerick decided to propose this motion is impossible to understand, although it does look better from the point of view of Cork and Kerry that the Limerick County Board were the proposers. There must be someting in this vote for both LK and WD. Doubt if the LK players are impressed.

Id say it all boils down to Economics. Cork v Kerry finals are more likely to get a full house then either of those against any of the other 4, at this present time at least. The Limerick GAA suits are thinking solely of boosting the coffers as Gate receipts from a Cork v Kerry final would in some way find their way back to Limerick and the other counties. A Cork v Kerry semi wouldnt be the same draw as a Cork v Kerry Munster final

As for the weaker 4, its about time they began to man up and try develop some sort of plan to beat the big two. God knows there's enough after being spent on Football in Tipperary and yet here we are with a poor championship and still in the bottom tier. Time to go to the next level. If we are good enough to be in Munster finals then we should be good enough to beat Cork and Kerry. Just as in the same way Kilkenny was better then everyone in hurling for years, its not the fault of Cork and Kerry if Tipp, Clare, Waterford, and Limerick, cant compete with them.

evolving tipperary

Can people see Sheedy go to Limerick?

Hector122

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Can people see Sheedy go to Limerick?

yes very easily! Good job to take up for anyone having stormed munster and really underperformed against clare in the semi who knows Limerick could very realistically had an all ireland this year!

Hector122

Hector122 wrote: »

yes very easily! Good job to take up for anyone having stormed munster and really underperformed against clare in the semi who knows Limerick could very realistically had an all ireland this year!

Works up there too i believe?

digzy

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Can people see Sheedy go to Limerick?

Couldn't see it. He left the Tipp job due to his work commitments. Why would he join a team he has no emotional attachment to? Makes no sense to me why he'd do it.

digzy

Davin Stand wrote: »

Shameful decision by the Munster Council last night and a real kick in the teeth for the footballers of Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Waterford. A seeded draw will always be supported by Cork and Kerry as it makes things that bit easier for them. However the other 4 counties have the votes to stop this proposal any year, once they vote together. If one of the 4 breaks ranks it becomes very tight with 3 counties for and 3 against and the votes of the Council officers then decide the issue. Last night however, both Limerick and Waterford broke ranks so the seeded draw was brought back. If that was not enough, Limerick actually proposed the return of the seeded draw. Of course, this does not benefit Munster football in any way. not that Kerry or Cork will worry about that. The last thing they want is for any of the other 4 counties to break into their nice cushy monopoly. How Limerick decided to propose this motion is impossible to understand, although it does look better from the point of view of Cork and Kerry that the Limerick County Board were the proposers. There must be someting in this vote for both LK and WD. Doubt if the LK players are impressed.

Does it make a difference? If we got a year of avoiding the big guns in the open draw we'd still get hammered in the final. Can't see it changing for at least a decade. To be fair, if the big two ain't involved in the Munster final its a very one sided game. Look at this year. There were some awful one sided games in Munster. Kerry destroyed us.
It's all down to money. GAA make more money this way, the trade off being less championship games for Tipp, Waterford, Clare and limerick.

digzy

digzy wrote: »

Does it make a difference? If we got a year of avoiding the big guns in the open draw we'd still get hammered in the final. Can't see it changing for at least a decade. To be fair, if the big two ain't involved in the Munster final its a very one sided game. Look at this year. There were some awful one sided games in Munster. Kerry destroyed us.
It's all down to money. GAA make more money this way, the trade off being less championship games for Tipp, Waterford, Clare and limerick.

Spot on. Tipp need to be brutally honest with themselves though. Time to stop making excuses and study the fence ahead. Its a big fence but if she is a good enough jumper then she'll surely take it

tippspur

digzy wrote: »

Does it make a difference? If we got a year of avoiding the big guns in the open draw we'd still get hammered in the final. Can't see it changing for at least a decade. To be fair, if the big two ain't involved in the Munster final its a very one sided game. Look at this year. There were some awful one sided games in Munster. Kerry destroyed us.
It's all down to money. GAA make more money this way, the trade off being less championship games for Tipp, Waterford, Clare and limerick.

Sure didn't Waterford and Limerick vote in favour of it? as you say it's all the one anyway cos the small teams will still get hammered.

evolving tipperary

There is all kinds of money figures being talked about - apparently Daly is 125,000 in Dublin - I don't believe it - and J.P. would bank roll Sheehy to take over....apart from all that...two weeks ago sheehy said he would only manage tipp or Dublin - because he works a lot in Dublin - but i hear dhe got promotion a while ago - so he must be busier

GerB40

Since nobody mentioned it Nenagh beat Drom & Inch 1-15 2-11. Paddy Murphy scored the goal and Nayna are in the county semi final.

dirtyden

GerB40 wrote: »

Since nobody mentioned it Nenagh beat Drom & Inch 1-15 2-11. Paddy Murphy scored the goal and Nayna are in the county semi final.

Not a major shock but still a little surprised at this. Id say most teams left in there will fancy their chances at Dan this year. Looks very open.

GerB40

GerB40 wrote: »

Since nobody mentioned it Nenagh beat Drom & Inch 1-15 2-11. Paddy Murphy scored the goal and Nayna are in the county semi final.

Thats after really blowing things wide open. That said Nenagh will fancy going the whole way now due to the confidence they will have built up having beaten both Drom and Sars. But the other thing is that they will be the team that every other will be hell bent on beating

Clonoulty 1-6 to 4 Kildangan at Half time....but they have had a man sent off. Can Kildangan make the spare man count?

Incidentally Loughmore won the other quarter 2-17 to Killenaules 1-15 yesterday. They will fancy their own chances.

GoldFour4

Clonoulty and kildangan finished in a draw, 1-11 to 14 points

malistheman

malistheman wrote: »

Clonoulty and kildangan finished in a draw, 1-11 to 14 points

I think the gap between the North final and today mightnt have helped Kildangan, but now they have this game under their belt and due to fact they had a man advantage that helped them secure a draw at the very least. I have a feeling that they will prevail in the replay.

dirtyden

Borrisoleigh by 8 points over Eire Og. That is three of the divisional winners out and Kiladangan only drawing against 14 man Clonoulty.

The lack of games between the divisional final and the quarters may well be a slight disadvantage.

dirtyden

dirtyden wrote: »

Borrisoleigh by 8 points over Eire Og. That is three of the divisional winners out and Kiladangan only drawing against 14 man Clonoulty.

The lack of games between the divisional final and the quarters may well be a slight disadvantage.

I reckon your onto something there. As Dublin showed in the championship this year, games can do wonders for teams whereas contrastingly it may have hindered Limerick.

Last year, Portroe had a 9 week lay off between the North Final and their county quarter. Never an ideal situation.

Spirit of 67

dirtyden wrote: »

Borrisoleigh by 8 points over Eire Og. That is three of the divisional winners out and Kiladangan only drawing against 14 man Clonoulty.

The lack of games between the divisional final and the quarters may well be a slight disadvantage.

It`s the same with the Football Championship , games played at irregular intervals , Teams find it hard to build momentum . The GAA is an amateur organisation , and it shows in how it runs it competitions !

Spirit of 67

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

It`s the same with the Football Championship , games played at irregular intervals , Teams find it hard to build momentum . The GAA is an amateur organisation , and it shows in how it runs it competitions !

I suppose to be fair to the GAA though, sometimes things are just out of their control. The scheduling of the Munster club championship has huge bearing for when the county championship finishes. The other side of the coin is that they can be constrained by the inter-county involvement of certain club players. Its a double edged sword.

In our case our senior county teams were out in July which was grand in terms of having a straight run at the championship and completing it but when it came to the participation in the Munster club championships then you want your teams with just the right amount of preparation in advance. (2 weeks after the county final).

The third facet to this is the concept of dual players with huge schedules especially if they are underage ala a Colm O'Riordan and the 4th aspect is that the players in general are amateur working men as you mentioned and there are times when their own personal lives have to be accommodated.

There is also the prospect of untimely deaths occurring and the Irish weather which as we well know is highly unpredictable these last few years.

We also seen a situation of club politics in 2011 which caused a relegation to go long into 2012

The Lost Sheep

County semi-final draw: Borris-Ileigh v Loughmore; Nenagh v Kildangan or Clonoulty
Have to fancy a Loughmore Clonoulty final though would love to see Borris and Kildangan face off for Dan Breen

The Lost Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

County semi-final draw: Borris-Ileigh v Loughmore; Nenagh v Kildangan or Clonoulty
Have to fancy a Loughmore Clonoulty final though would love to see Borris and Kildangan face off for Dan Breen

Surely Nenagh warrant a spot as bookies favourites given the scalps they have claimed so far.