Loyalist flag protesters to target Oireachtas tricolour in Dublin

old hippy

donegal_road wrote: »

anyone know any loyalists personally?

No but I do have family (some of whom would be considered "unionist"). Most of them left that behind when they left NI.

I have interviewed a few prominent unionists and a former loyalist who did time & found them to be reasonable and polite, despite my not agreeing with them.

gallag

asherbassad wrote: »

These loyalist arseholes are not pissed off that the flag was taken down. They're angry that it was voted down. They are soon to be a minority in the North and that is something they just can't stomach. They were happy to go along with majority consensus when the ball always bounced their way back in the 70's and 80's but when natural demographic (and consequently democratic) shifts started to go against them they're all up in arms about betrayal or some sh!t.
Catholics and Nationalists didn't take to the streets hurling rocks at the RUC or the Gardai when the Republic gave up its territorial claim on the North to appease these petulant little dickheads but when they have to make a concession they sling their rattle out of the pram.

Fucking babies

The "other side" take to the street at the drop of a hat also, do you think only loyalists can be petulant dickheads?

gurramok

What they are p1ssed off about is the fact their superiority has been questioned. They are just fascists who are not open to compromise, the no flags or both flags suggestion does not wash with them, its the Union flag 24\7 mentality that they want, thats their only compromise.

gallag

Some of the attitudes in this thread are as bad as the idiots blocking the roads.

edgecutter

Just a quick question. What happens if the flag is restored to flying all year round?

Will nationalists take to the streets? Will democracy mean nothing?

Unionists are upset I get that. However, they need to look at the bigger picture here. More and more of them are alienating Catholics that would rather be in the union then drawing them in.

Northern Ireland once again has a terrible image put to it. Many unionist towns are now covered in more union flags then ever before which separates more and more nationalist and unionist communities.

What they hope to gain coming down to Dublin is just moronic. I hope that we as a nation don't bite and let it pass peacefully.

iDave

So is this protest about the Tricolour in Dublin actually going ahead?

astroguy

They're about to discuss this after the break on Newstalk.

Leftist

iDave wrote: »

So is this protest about the Tricolour in Dublin actually going ahead?

Jan 12th.

they're sticking it to us big time with that date. Jan/June, sounds similar, and of course the 12th. Goes without saying.
Can't see that flag staying up.

Release the knackers.

iDave

Leftist wrote: »

Jan 12th.

they're sticking it to us big time with that date. Jan/June, sounds similar, and of course the 12th. Goes without saying.
Can't see that flag staying up.

Release the knackers.

not what Failte Ireland where hoping for when it comes to The Gathering.

On a serious note I've never attended a protest in my life but I'd seriously consider joining any (peaceful) counter protests to this. Loyalist apartheid has had its day and they need to be told

Happyman42

gallag wrote: »

The "other side" take to the street at the drop of a hat also, do you think only loyalists can be petulant dickheads?

The 'other side' have every right to have their identities represented too. Are they out wrecking the process because the tri-colour isn't up there?

Leftist

iDave wrote: »

not what Failte Ireland where hoping for when it comes to The Gathering.

On a serious note I've never attended a protest in my life but I'd seriously consider joining any (peaceful) counter protests to this. Loyalist apartheid has had its day and they need to be told

there won't be peaceful protests. The best peaceful protest would be to ignore it. These people belong in a different time and not in the ROI. The greatest message would be to shrug it off. They would spotaneously combust, reacting to them would self-legitimise their fears and rhetoric.

But the knackers will turn up so just let them rip them apart. Just ring them in at merrion sq.

gurramok

I wonder will the Unions and left leaning students organise a counter protest. They would be very quick to counter protest at a homegrown right wing march but do a disappearing act when the northern rightwingers come down to Dublin just like in 2006.

Zebra3

Leftist wrote: »

Jan 12th.

they're sticking it to us big time with that date. Jan/June, sounds similar, and of course the 12th. Goes without saying.

You mean July.

Dyr

gallag wrote: »

Dontforget on the very same day sinn fein voted to keep a play park named after an ira terriost that killed iinnocent Protestant workers in kings mill bakery, they do not care about creating an environment where all feel comfortable at all.

Never knew ould raymond mcreesh was convicted of the kingsmill massacre. Ya lives and learns

oranbhoy67

gallag wrote: »

For me and every single unionist I have talked to, the consensus is it would be nice to get it back up democratically, it would also be nice if the idiots blocking our roads would **** off. There is a felling this was an attack on our community, the timing was poor and it is hard to call it democracy when the smallest party had the say in what happend, its not like the alliance party were voted in on the manifesto of removing the flag, and when the people call for an actual ballot box vote we are told its not important enough???

I get that many people will say "its just a flag" but there is a fear of sinn fein, it was not long ago that many in sinn fein were trying to kill us now the first time they get a hint of a majority they do this. Dontforget on the very same day sinn fein voted to keep a play park named after an ira terriost that killed iinnocent Protestant workers in kings mill bakery, they do not care about creating an environment where all feel comfortable at all.

Kingsmill bakery??? seriously ?? or were u baked when you wrote that?

oranbhoy67

Bambi wrote: »

Never knew ould raymond mcreesh was convicted of the kingsmill massacre. Ya lives and learns

thats cos he wasnt!

Death and Taxes

Well lads, it's official wee Willy will be coming down on Saturday 12th January according to RTE Aertel.

PS I just checked and the Tricolour won't be flying that day as it only flys when either the Dail or Seanad is in session. The fúking retards will probably claim the lack of a Tricolour is a victory for them!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland
It is the normal practice to fly the national flag daily at all military posts and from a limited number of important State buildings. The European flag is flown alongside the national flag on all official buildings, and in most places where the Irish flag is flown over buildings. The national flag is flown over buildings including: the residence of the President of Ireland, Áras an Uachtaráin; Leinster House, the seat of the Irish parliament, when parliament is in session; Irish courts and state buildings; Irish military installations, at home and abroad; and Garda Síochána (police) stations

Crooked Jack

gallag wrote: »

There is a felling this was an attack on our community, the timing was poor and it is hard to call it democracy when the smallest party had the say in what happend, its not like the alliance party were voted in on the manifesto of removing the flag, and when the people call for an actual ballot box vote we are told its not important enough???

Every councillor had a say in it, not just the Alliance ones, every single one of them and the majority voted to remove it. What would you call that if not democracy. it seems democracy is only democracy to unionism when theyre getting what they want.

gallag wrote: »

I get that many people will say "its just a flag" but there is a fear of sinn fein, it was not long ago that many in sinn fein were trying to kill us now the first time they get a hint of a majority they do this.

Republican party in republican aims shocker. Turn that on it's head, unionists have been in power since partition and insisted on flying the flag 365 days a year. Nationalists were willing to compromise their beliefs for the common good. I know who I'd rather have in charge.

gallag wrote: »

Dontforget on the very same day sinn fein voted to keep a play park named after an ira terriost that killed iinnocent Protestant workers in kings mill bakery, they do not care about creating an environment where all feel comfortable at all.

So much wrong here I'm not sure where to begin. Firstly that park was named after Ray McCreesh in 2001 and it wasnt Sinn Fein who voted for it, it was the vast majority of residents of the area in a consultation. Secondly, the night you're referring to was not a vote to keep the name of the park. It was a vote on wether or not to accept the findings of an Equality Committee report on the park that recommended, among other things, keeping the name.
Thirdly, even if it was just a vote on the park, Sinn Fein does not have a big enough majority on Newry and Mourne Council to push this through. The SDLP and all independents voted in favour of it.
Fourthly, Kingsmill bakery? *sigh*
Fifth, Raymond McCreesh was never convicted of Kingsmill, it's never even been suggested, except by nut cases like Frazer, that he was involved. A gun he was holding months later was linked to it. IRA volunteers did not keep their individual weapons, they were used by many volunteers in many operations.

Truth is unionists couldnt give a shit what a park in Newry is called. They were jsut delighted to have something, anything to pull out of the bag when journalists asked them why they felt attempting to burn cops to death was the best way top get the flag back up.

This is the new (more) democratic Ireland that you're living in. It's not perfect but it's getting there. Deal with it.

darragh16

Slightly off topic....

But when they were butchering the Island, how did the UK get Fermanagh? I mean it's pretty far out, sparsely populated and offers nothing to the union

gallag

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Every councillor had a say in it, not just the Alliance ones, every single one of them and the majority voted to remove it. What would you call that if not democracy. it seems democracy is only democracy to unionism when theyre getting what they want.



Republican party in republican aims shocker. Turn that on it's head, unionists have been in power since partition and insisted on flying the flag 365 days a year. Nationalists were willing to compromise their beliefs for the common good. I know who I'd rather have in charge.



So much wrong here I'm not sure where to begin. Firstly that park was named after Ray McCreesh in 2001 and it wasnt Sinn Fein who voted for it, it was the vast majority of residents of the area in a consultation. Secondly, the night you're referring to was not a vote to keep the name of the park. It was a vote on wether or not to accept the findings of an Equality Committee report on the park that recommended, among other things, keeping the name.
Thirdly, even if it was just a vote on the park, Sinn Fein does not have a big enough majority on Newry and Mourne Council to push this through. The SDLP and all independents voted in favour of it.
Fourthly, Kingsmill bakery? *sigh*
Fifth, Raymond McCreesh was never convicted of Kingsmill, it's never even been suggested, except by nut cases like Frazer, that he was involved. A gun he was holding months later was linked to it. IRA volunteers did not keep their individual weapons, they were used by many volunteers in many operations.

Truth is unionists couldnt give a shit what a park in Newry is called. They were jsut delighted to have something, anything to pull out of the bag when journalists asked them why they felt attempting to burn cops to death was the best way top get the flag back up.

This is the new (more) democratic Ireland that you're living in. It's not perfect but it's getting there. Deal with it.

Ahh, so he just had the gun that killed them, seems reasonable, I can see why only fringe loyalist nut jobs would link him to the murders.

Zebra3

darragh16 wrote: »

Slightly off topic....

But when they were butchering the Island, how did the UK get Fermanagh? I mean it's pretty far out, sparsely populated and offers nothing to the union

Like how they got the other five.

Through the threat of total war.

Never mind what the people voted for. :rolleyes:

Happyman42

darragh16 wrote: »

Slightly off topic....

But when they were butchering the Island, how did the UK get Fermanagh? I mean it's pretty far out, sparsely populated and offers nothing to the union

Hope this helps. Interesting times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Commission_%28Ireland%29#Imperial_debt

northernpower

darragh16 wrote: »

Slightly off topic....

But when they were butchering the Island, how did the UK get Fermanagh? I mean it's pretty far out, sparsely populated and offers nothing to the union

It was originally supposed to be Antrim, Down and Armagh but it was then thought that such a small area with such a small population wouldn't be viable

arse..biscuits

gallag wrote: »

Ahh, so he just had the gun that killed them, seems reasonable, I can see why only fringe loyalist nut jobs would link him to the murders.

Any response to Crooked Jack's point about democracy?

Magill

donegal_road wrote: »

anyone know any loyalists personally?

My granda was a protestant, and i went to a mixed school, so I've got quite a few friends and family that would be loyalists. A few of them are actually quite vocal about the whole situation (On facebook anyway !) but they're the typical Orange order kind so its nothing new... the rest aren't entirely fussed, most want the flag back up but don't support the whole protesting debacle.

Crooked Jack

gallag wrote: »

Ahh, so he just had the gun that killed them, seems reasonable, I can see why only fringe loyalist nut jobs would link him to the murders.

That's all that you took from that whole post?
Actually that says more about the state and mindset of unionism than anything you could have written. thanks.

Greenmachine

So why are they marching in Dublin. It is a local issue that they can sort out themselves surely. Dublin did not make the decision RE: the union flag.

Dyr

Crooked Jack wrote: »

That's all that you took from that whole post?
Actually that says more about the state and mindset of unionism than anything you could have written. thanks.

Never mind that the armed forces of hor mayjastys gowvermant were putting on their UVF hat's on and murdering taigs..yet somehow the taigs built a bridge and are now accepting said government.

Crooked Jack

Greenmachine wrote: »

So why are they marching in Dublin. It is a local issue that they can sort out themselves surely. Dublin did not make the decision RE: the union flag.

In yesterday's Belfast Telegraph in an interview with Frazer (page 6, well worth reading if you fancy a laugh/facepalm) he says "The tricolour on Leinster House is only one issue. I wouldn't really expect them to remove it and as a matter of fact I would be quite offended at the suggestion if I was them."

So this whole thing really is just about causing as much trouble, aggravation and inconvenience as possible. Not that that was ever in doubt

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

In yesterday's Belfast Telegraph in an interview with Frazer (page 6, well worth reading if you fancy a laugh/facepalm) he says "The tricolour on Leinster House is only one issue. I wouldn't really expect them to remove it and as a matter of fact I would be quite offended at the suggestion if I was them."

So this whole thing really is just about causing as much trouble, aggravation and inconvenience as possible. Not that that was ever in doubt

They're pissed off. Is it any wonder? For years nationalists have been telling them they wouldn't abuse their majority if they had it and now this happens. Says a lot about the so called protection loyalists can expect in a UI.

NinjaK

They shouldn't be allowed near the capital, enemy's of the state.

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're pissed off. Is it any wonder? For years nationalists have been telling them they wouldn't abuse their majority if they had it and now this happens. Says a lot about the so called protection loyalists can expect in a UI.

What? A cross community vote was taken to make Belfast city centre a more welcoming space for everyone. Yes, heaven forbid a reunited Ireland should happen, we could see a breakout of things like equality and democracy.

VinLieger

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're pissed off. Is it any wonder? For years nationalists have been telling them they wouldn't abuse their majority if they had it and now this happens. Says a lot about the so called protection loyalists can expect in a UI.

They arent abusing any majority the flag being raised 365 days a year was an aberration compared to the entire UK all this has done is bring this building in line with the rest of their own country

gallag

Crooked Jack wrote: »

That's all that you took from that whole post?
Actually that says more about the state and mindset of unionism than anything you could have written. thanks.

I thought it was the most ridiculous part of the post, he was only found with the murder wepon in his hand so lets name a play park after him. He was found with the murder wepon that was used to take 12 workers of a bus and shoot 11 of them for being protestant, one Catholic man was spared. I would never let my kids near a play park named after anyone involved in any way after murdering people of any religion.

Sinn fien say taking down the flag is a measure to make the city inclusive to all yet do everything in their power to keep this play park named after someone linked to such a horrendous attack.

im invisible

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're pissed off. Is it any wonder? For years nationalists have been telling them they wouldn't abuse their majority if they had it and now this happens. Says a lot about the so called protection loyalists can expect in a UI.

really??? you see ths as an abuse?

donvito99

Leinster House should fly the biggest tricolore it can lay its hands on.

Like four of the football fan ones that are draped over hand rails at matches put together.

And fly them from the flag poles on the quays.

And from gantries over the southbound part of the M1.

Really stick it to these oul sods.

Crooked Jack

gallag wrote: »

I thought it was the most ridiculous part of the post, he was only found with the murder wepon in his hand so lets name a play park after him. He was found with the murder wepon that was used to take 12 workers of a bus and shoot 11 of them for being protestant, one Catholic man was spared. I would never let my kids near a play park named after anyone involved in any way after murdering people of any religion.

Sinn fien say taking down the flag is a measure to make the city inclusive to all yet do everything in their power to keep this play park named after someone linked to such a horrendous attack.

Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance voted to take down the flag for MOST of the year.
I see you still arent addressing any of the other issues I raised. How predictable.

Crooked Jack

donvito99 wrote: »

Leinster House should fly the biggest tricolore it can lay its hands on.

Like four of the football fan ones that are draped over hand rails at matches put together.

And fly them from the flag poles on the quays.

And from gantries over the southbound part of the M1.

Really stick it to these oul sods.

Leinster House should not lower itself to the levels of these thugs and should certainly not abuse the tricolour in the same way that unionists abuse Britain's flag.

McG

donvito99 wrote: »

Leinster House should fly the biggest tricolore it can lay its hands on.

Like four of the football fan ones that are draped over hand rails at matches put together.

And fly them from the flag poles on the quays.

And from gantries over the southbound part of the M1.

Really stick it to these oul sods.

or better yet, pay them no attention at all.

iDave

This whole episode really is showing the world that Ulster Unionism/Loyalism is one of the most intolerant political ideologies in the world. Up there with Nazism, Soviet Communism, South African Apartheid, Islamic Jihadism etc.
They should NOT be allowed to organise their sectarian/xenophobic march in our capital.

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

What? A cross community vote was taken to make Belfast city centre a more welcoming space for everyone. Yes, heaven forbid a reunited Ireland should happen, we could see a breakout of things like equality and democracy.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, democracy only when it suits nationalists. Before this we heard nationalists harping on about protecting the identity of minorities. Amazing how concern for these rights disappear once SF gets a whiff of majority.

VinLieger wrote: »

They arent abusing any majority the flag being raised 365 days a year was an aberration compared to the entire UK all this has done is bring this building in line with the rest of their own country

It was a harmless tradition. Heaven forbid a UK government building fly the UK flag every day. How dare they!

James Forde

Wait a minute, are they giving out about Ireland flying the Irish flag outside a state building in Ireland?

RobbingBandit

I bet they are really coming down to get their passports renewed.;)

Dynamo Roller1

I hope the Gardai bate the livin ****e out of them

allroad

This protest was manufactured by unionist political parties for electoral gain. The DUP were hoping to undermine Alliance in East Belfast (where Robinson lost his seat) and the UUP were trying to keep up in the sectarian race in order to regain relevance amongst the knuckledraggers.
Unfortunately for them (and everyone else) the unionist paramilitaries took control and the DUP et al found themselves sidelined.
Lots of reasons for this, unionist paramilitaries normally get paid off to stop street violence, HET investigations coming up and some of the "community spokespersons" likely to find themselves in the dock and paramilitaries think they might score the odd electoral success if they appear on TV often enough analysing why 12 year old Sammy was throwing bricks at cars whilst wrapped in an upside down union flag.

A complete lack of understanding of the term "Democracy" would appear to underly the actions of all those involved.
Pathetic complaints about the "fleg" being torn down are so obviously contrived that no-one in their right mind could take them seriously.

Willy's foray into Dublin is another example of this. He is part of an alternative Forum to the one established by the unionist parties to represent the interests of anti-democrats. He will be marching with his merry band on a day the flag is not flown over Leinster House to complain that a similar arrangement now exists in Belfast (and has been the case in Stormont since the GFA).
It defies logic.

Iwasfrozen

James Forde wrote: »

Wait a minute, are they giving out about Ireland flying the Irish flag outside a state building in Ireland?

No that would be daft, only someone with a massive chip on their shoulder would do a silly thing like a country flying it's national flag over a government building.

old hippy

Dynamo Roller1 wrote: »

I hope the Gardai bate the livin ****e out of them

I don't think that will do much to improve relations.

statesaver

old hippy wrote: »

I don't think that will do much to improve relations.

I'd say that's what Willie is hoping for.

MaxSteele

iDave wrote: »

This whole episode really is showing the world that Ulster Unionism/Loyalism is one of the most intolerant political ideologies in the world. Up there with Nazism, Soviet Communism, South African Apartheid, Islamic Jihadism etc.
They should NOT be allowed to organise their sectarian/xenophobic march in our capital.

I say let them.

Then unleash all the heavies from Ballybough, Summerhill, Sheriff street etc on them.

Chuck Stone

Judgement Day wrote: »

many members of the broader unionist community are offended

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're pissed off. Is it any wonder?

Well then they better get used to being a whole lot more 'offended' and 'pissed off' at their symbols of former dominance over the other tribe not monopolising the shared spaces where the north is administered.

The Orange/Unionist/Protestant dominated state is no more.