Jobless What Should i do?

burgermasters

So i have been unemployed for the last six weeks, for whatever reason i cant get the dole? i have a wife and two kids living with me and also apart from the bills have to pay support for my 3rd child my 1st born, and am behind again, explaining this to the courts they gave me three days to get 400 up for the ex or go to prison,! i had to borrow the money and now have to pay it back they put me in a bigger hole than i was at first? i really see no end to this and am starting think there is no hope for me now or my kids? the ex is heartless and will jump at the chance of having me taken away from my wife and kids at any chance!

Am i just moaning or is this unfair?

12gauge dave

Why is it you cant get the dole?

Faith+1

After Hours is the last place I'd look for advice OP.

RossyG

It's unfair.

If you have dependent children then I don't see why you shouldn't get dole. Try this website: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/

doyle61

Go to citizens advice OP and find out what they think.

phasers

Were you self-employed or did you quit your job? These are the only circumstances that I know of where people don/t get dole.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Get a job.

Miss Lockhart

Is it that your spouse earns too much? Surely you would be entitled to JSB for a while though? Unless of course you were self employed - whole other story there.

Slattsy

OP, you've come to the right place.

SEPT 23 1989

Can't understand why some women go on like this

Tom_Cruise

Women are the devil in disguise

Kidchameleon

1. Give free air fresheners out with a begging note attached.
2. ??
3 -Profit!

greenheart

Some women love to use their kids as weapons, I don't understand it there only hurting the kids.
Op is there no way you can explain your situation and get the payment put on hold till your working?

12gauge dave

Your in messy situation op
My advice is

1.find out exactly what you are and are not entitled to from social welfare

2.relax with the bambinos till your in a more stable situation

3.never trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesnt die

Try the social welfare forum for advice on your situation as to why you can't claim dole.

100200 shih

greenheart wrote: »

Some women love to use their kids as weapons, I don't understand it there only hurting the kids.
Op is there no way you can explain your situation and get the payment put on hold till your working?

Why should his child suffer ? not the child fault that he made 2 more children, Too many down people the courts claiming they cannot pay their maintains. Pay up , You made the child, so the women are not using this as a weapon,

AnarchistKen

OP keep your chin up. Citizens advice and MABS maybe your first two moves to solving some problems

SEPT 23 1989

Did you not explain to the bloke in fancy dress that you had no income?

UCDVet

Find a job! Tends to fix the joblessness problem right up.

//Easier said than done, but best of luck to ye

CianRyan

100200 shih wrote: »

Why should his child suffer ? not the child fault that he made 2 more children, Too many down people the courts claiming they cannot pay their maintains. Pay up , You made the child, so the women are not using this as a weapon,

So his other two kids suffer instead?
What's stopping his ex from looking after her their child?

The OP's looking for advice on how to deal with this, hearing another nagger is probably bottom of his list right now.

And FWIW, he's already paid it.

100200 shih

CianRyan wrote: »

So his other two kids suffer instead?
What's stopping his ex from looking after her their child?

The OP's looking for advice on how to deal with this, hearing another nagger is probably bottom of his list right now.

And FWIW, he's already paid it.

& why cant his wife look after the 2 ??? not nagging , just stating a fact as I am entitle to my own opinion

sophia25

Apply immediately to District Court for a variation on maintenance. They don't expect you to pay what you don't have, so you can get a variation order and comply with court order. It is essential you do this as a matter of priority otherwise you will be back in this situation again. In fairness, you must have been behind with maintenance before you lost your job though as you need to have missed 3 payments before a summons is issued and it can take anywhere between 10-14 weeks to get a court date. I totally think it is wrong that any parent is sent to jail because they have no money but as soon as you lose a job/ get a reduced income you need to apply for a variation order and the courts take new circumstances into account. Ignoring a court order is what angers the judges. Also if you post more details about why you're not entitled to so maybe we could offer more advice. Stay calm and things will work out, but stop playing the blame game at the mother of your child, she no doubt has been badly effected by your job loss too and try to look at ways forward than being bitter. I'm sure you're child was fed, clothed, housed and cared for when you weren't paying, maybe start seeing how this is helping you, rather than getting angry that she expects you comply with a court order.

scarymoon1

are you habitually resident in Ireland? Theres no reason why you cant get dole unless you were self employed or your partner earns too much. Have you always lived in ireland? If not and your only here less than a year then you wont get anything. Try for the dole where you grew up if not Ireland

sophia25

Even if partner earns too much you are entitled to 9mhs JSB based on your own PRSI contributions.

TheUsual

Community welfareofficer is what you want.

padd b1975

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't understand why some women go on like this

Go on like what??
Getting a father to face up to his responsibilities and support his child.

OP, get your ass off the internet and make an appointment with your nearest community welfare officer ASAP.

IceFjoem

CianRyan wrote: »

So his other two kids suffer instead?
What's stopping his ex from looking after her their child?

The OP's looking for advice on how to deal with this, hearing another nagger is probably bottom of his list right now.

And FWIW, he's already paid it.

Ugh, nothing grinds my gears like naggers.

Mr Benevolent

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Women are the devil in disguise

There are 3.5 billion devils on Earth? Do you include your mother in this evil conspiracy?

Pottler

Confab wrote: »

There are 3.5 billion devils on Earth? Do you include your mother in this evil conspiracy?

(she possibly ties his hands behind his back to stop him having self-sexy time, I'd say that's a yes). OP, either start making some money or go see the Judge for a reduction/extension. But mainly, go start making some money.

Biggins

burgermasters wrote: »

So i have been unemployed for the last six weeks, for whatever reason i cant get the dole? i have a wife and two kids living with me and also apart from the bills have to pay support for my 3rd child my 1st born, and am behind again, explaining this to the courts they gave me three days to get 400 up for the ex or go to prison,! i had to borrow the money and now have to pay it back they put me in a bigger hole than i was at first? i really see no end to this and am starting think there is no hope for me now or my kids? the ex is heartless and will jump at the chance of having me taken away from my wife and kids at any chance!

Am i just moaning or is this unfair?

Have you gone to your local office health board?
They can make emergency payments to you for a period when your in crises such as waiting for your dole payments to kick in.

3ndahalfof6

PM Run_to_da_hills

burgermasters

Thanks for the advice guys! I have been told i must wait at least twelve weeks before they will think about me? And for the people who think i don't support my 1st born i would like to say i paid support from day one even though it was a one night stand! After eight years paying it i miss a couple of weeks because my wife and other two kids have to eat also! My wife can't work due to serious problems i won't go into! I am insulted at the comments of the pay up attitude! But still nice to know some decent people out there when your desperate! To every on else with real advice cheers meansalot

Felexicon

burgermasters wrote: »

Thanks for the advice guys! I have been told i must wait at least twelve weeks before they will think about me? And for the people who think i don't support my 1st born i would like to say i paid support from day one even though it was a one night stand! After eight years paying it i miss a couple of weeks because my wife and other two kids have to eat also! My wife can't work due to serious problems i won't go into! I am insulted at the comments of the pay up attitude! But still nice to know some decent people out there when your desperate! To every on else with real advice cheers meansalot

The 12 week wait is normal at the moment if you have been sacked or left your job as opposed to being made redundant.
What area of the country are you in as the wait after those 12 weeks may be longer again for your claim to be processed.
Shítbuzz all in all but look, at least it can't get much worse and you get to spend some quality time with your wife and kids

eviltwin

burgermasters wrote: »

Thanks for the advice guys! I have been told i must wait at least twelve weeks before they will think about me? And for the people who think i don't support my 1st born i would like to say i paid support from day one even though it was a one night stand!

Wow aren't you great, what do you want a pat on the back or something?

Felexicon

eviltwin wrote: »

Wow aren't you great, what do you want a pat on the back or something?

Wow aren't you great, able to determine a mans character from one short post and then take the opportunity to hit him while he's down.
Well done, hope you have a nice New Year

burgermasters

eviltwin wrote: »

Wow aren't you great, what do you want a pat on the back or something?

Have i offended you in some way? No i do not want a pat just looking for some advice! Not smart comments like that!

burgermasters

TheUsual wrote: »

Community welfareofficer is what you want.

I have heard bout those! Where do i have to go for them?

dark crystal

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Women are the devil in disguise

How so?

The child still needs to be clothed, fed and homed whether their father is working or not. The court is only doing it's job by seeking this maintenance.

OP, I sympathise, but I'm not sure why you have been denied the dole if you've paid all your contributions and are in genuine need of assistance. What reason did they give?

dark crystal

CianRyan wrote: »

So his other two kids suffer instead?
What's stopping his ex from looking after her their child?

It takes two people to make a child, so why should all the financial responsibility fall on just the mother??!

eviltwin

burgermasters wrote: »

Have i offended you in some way? No i do not want a pat just looking for some advice! Not smart comments like that!

Just your comment about supporting your child even though the conception was as a result of a one night stand. I sympathise with your situation re the wait for social welfare and I think your ex should give you some leeway if possible after all its not your fault but its not her fault either and someone has to support the child.

burgermasters

dark crystal wrote: »

How so?

The child still needs to be clothed, fed and homed whether their father is working or not. The court is only doing it's job by seeking this maintenance.

OP, I sympathise, but I'm not sure why you have been denied the dole if you've paid all your contributions and are in genuine need of assistance. What reason did they give?

I agree the child does need all that! The child's mother and her partner both work full time! I have no income and i was told i have on wait a number of weeks before i can be thought of? I started this for advice not to be a target for bitterness and ridicule.

smileyj1987

eviltwin wrote: »

Wow aren't you great, what do you want a pat on the back or something?

What a great post ! I hope your proud with yourself .

To the OP fair play for paying your child support for the last 8 years at least you done the right thing . Some people would have tried to not pay it . Maybe it could be hard signing onto the dole because you could be owed redundancy and that is usually what they tell you will tie you over until they can sort you out . But if you walked or got sacked you do have to wait 12 weeks before you can sign on .

burgermasters

eviltwin wrote: »

Just your comment about supporting your child even though the conception was as a result of a one night stand. I sympathise with your situation re the wait for social welfare and I think your ex should give you some leeway if possible after all its not your fault but its not her fault either and someone has to support the child.

And what comment would that be? I really am confused? The fact i have said every week eight years and fall on hard times and fall behind?

eviltwin

burgermasters wrote: »

And what comment would that be? I really am confused? The fact i have said every week eight years and fall on hard times and fall behind?

I just fail to see what relevance it has how your first child was born. One night stand or long term relationship does it really matter? The child is here and needs to be supported.

Turtyturd

When I seen the thread title I was gonna say do what everyone else without a job does, get an xbox live subscription a play the day away. But that obviously doesn't apply to your situation so I am gonna go with, sell your xbox.

Stheno

burgermasters wrote: »

I have heard bout those! Where do i have to go for them?

Your local Health Office or Community Centre.

WhatNowForUs?

smileyj1987 wrote: »

What a great post ! I hope your proud with yourself .

To the OP fair play for paying your child support for the last 8 years at least you done the right thing . Some people would have tried to not pay it . Maybe it could be hard signing onto the dole because you could be owed redundancy and that is usually what they tell you will tie you over until they can sort you out . But if you walked or got sacked you do have to wait 12 weeks before you can sign on .

I don't think you can say well done for paying what he should be paying. From other people I don't think he should be ridiculed for things he is doing right.
The community welfare officer is the way to go and maybe a solicitor from the free legal aid system, the Irish citizen information services should be able to help you out there.

SEPT 23 1989

So the mother of the first child and her partner are working full time and you havent a pot to pIss in and still they wont give you a bit of breathing space till you get yourself back on your feet

mother of jaysus:rolleyes::mad:

burgermasters

eviltwin wrote: »

I just fail to see what relevance it has how your first child was born. One night stand or long term relationship does it really matter? The child is here and needs to be supported.

Well without pointing some people out and being offensive unlike some? I was pointing out that unlike a lot of fathers i stand by my kids no matter what and even though she won't let me see the child i support the child! And no i have done nothing wrong except be male in Ireland i.m not violent or abusive or on drugs or drink anything of the sort she just won't allow next see the child that's it.. All that's happened is i got sacked for not agreeing to travel for a week every three weeks.

WhatNowForUs?

eviltwin wrote: »

I just fail to see what relevance it has how your first child was born. One night stand or long term relationship does it really matter? The child is here and needs to be supported.

He is supporting the child. He needs a little break or he'll find himself in the ****ter unable to help anybody.

barney 20v

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

He is supporting the child. He needs a little break or he'll find himself in the ****ter unable to help anybody.

HE was let go because he refused to a change in work conditions.
He should have helped himself!