Who here has an NFC enabled smartphone?

Rayne Wooney · 01-01-2013 10:20pm

I have an iPhone 5 and it does feck all.

What enables NFC in the phone?

evolutionqy7 · 01-01-2013 10:22pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

My student card (which is in my wallet) is set to open up my timetable (So I tap my phone against my pocket to open up the day's timetable). It's very useful.

Bit of course. Would you not just enter your timetable into the calendar and use a widget

cookie1977 · 01-01-2013 10:23pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I have an iPhone 5 and it does feck all.

What enables NFC in the phone?

No NFC in an iPhone 5

01-01-2013 10:30pm

I'm not comfortable with NFC payment devices such as contactless credit cards. I'm not yet convinced that the system is secure and as such I don't trust it.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Their history of locked down software and proprietary connectors tells us that Apple won't release it until they have bastardised it to their own restricted POS that's guaranteed not to be compatible with what's already available everywhere.

They really are worse than Microsoft now and that's what I feared a few years ago.

Rayne Wooney · 01-01-2013 10:33pm

cookie1977 wrote: »

No NFC in an iPhone 5

Yeah but like is it a chip or something?

kippy · 01-01-2013 10:33pm

Jamez735 wrote: »

Anyway, all that's irrelevant as my product is only targeted towards 800,000 people. So I'm not here to fight the case for NFC, I'd just like to know who has it, that's all.

This would only be a very small representative group though......
Wouldn't it be better if you could find out the sales figures of all NFC enabled smartphones in the country? (they may be available somewhere)
I have a GS3 which I believe is NFC capable however I never use it, nor have I yet to see where I could use it.
To be honest, I'd be happier if they spent more time trying to develop better batteries and/or enhance the software to be smarter about power saving than dedicicate time to NFC technology.

cookie1977 · 01-01-2013 10:34pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Yeah but like is it a chip or something?

It's a chip

Nate--IRL-- · 01-01-2013 10:39pm

Karsini wrote: »

I'm not comfortable with NFC payment devices such as contactless credit cards. I'm not yet convinced that the system is secure and as such I don't trust it.

They really are worse than Microsoft now and that's what I feared a few years ago.

Wasn't there a proof of concept app for android that could lift Card Details from contactless credit cards, just by being within a foot or so of them? I remain to be convinced it is secure too.

Nate

evolutionqy7 · 01-01-2013 10:47pm

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Wasn't there a proof of concept app for android that could lift Card Details from contactless credit cards, just by being within a foot or so of them? I remain to be convinced it is secure too.

Nate

Could be. Android isn't the most secure thing on the planet, as far as I'm aware though. NFC won't activate with screen off. IRS the way it works with my S3 anyway.

Maybe its a bit secure on WP8. Either way you can add a password or a pin to authorize any transaction

batistuta9 · 01-01-2013 11:26pm

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Wasn't there a proof of concept app for android that could lift Card Details from contactless credit cards, just by being within a foot or so of them? I remain to be convinced it is secure too.

Nate

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Could be. Android isn't the most secure thing on the planet, as far as I'm aware though. NFC won't activate with screen off. IRS the way it works with my S3 anyway.

Maybe its a bit secure on WP8. Either way you can add a password or a pin to authorize any transaction

Yeah, there was an app on Play for a while by a German security researcher

It's nothing to do with Android being secure or not + it was from bank cards not card details on phone.

It's the NFC that's being exploited - if you want to call it that - it doesn't encrypt the card details, it's not making a transaction there and then, just gets the details

the app lifted the name, card number & 3 digits security code - enough to buy stuff online with

you can see them details anyway if you get a persons card but now often will people actually have your bank card?
not that often, probably never in some cases, and not long enough to remember those numbers

Nate--IRL-- · 01-01-2013 11:40pm

Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. Basically you phone could steal Card details by standing next to holders of contactless cards, like on a bus or something. Scary thought.

Nate

PogMoThoin · 01-01-2013 11:49pm

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. Basically you phone could steal Card details by standing next to holders of contactless cards, like on a bus or something. Scary thought.

Nate

No different to someone picking your pocket, therefore you have a PIN for security

jimmynokia · 01-01-2013 11:52pm

Ive a lumia 920 yellow and gnote 2 and ive only used it once.
It will be sometime yet before it catches on here.

partyatmygaff · 01-01-2013 11:55pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Bit of course. Would you not just enter your timetable into the calendar and use a widget

That's a monumental amount of effort. Trinity use a system that's almost impossible to integrate with Google Calendar without writing a script. It's easier just to open the browser on the page.

kippy · 01-01-2013 11:56pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

No different to someone picking your pocket, therefore you have a PIN for security

It's a fair bit different.

batistuta9 · 02-01-2013 12:19am

PogMoThoin wrote: »

No different to someone picking your pocket, therefore you have a PIN for security

It's completely different

+ they don't need your PIN

PogMoThoin · 02-01-2013 12:28am

batistuta9 wrote: »

It's completely different

+ they don't need your PIN

Anyone who you present your Bank Card to has access to this info, any store you call it out to on the phone has it also. NFC on smartphones will need a PIN or some sort of user verification and will not work while the phone is locked. My point is using cards is no more insecure than it's ever been, all the more reason to move to electronic devices that require verification.

batistuta9 · 02-01-2013 12:48am

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Anyone who you present your Bank Card to has access to this info, any store you call it out to on the phone has it also. NFC on smartphones will need a PIN or some sort of user verification and will not work while the phone is locked.

Yeah i know that the details it takes are visible anyway

This is just about NFC with bank cards though

who would you be given your bank card to for long enough that they'd remember your name, 16 digit number & 3 digit security code, rain man?

I think on XDA there's mods to make NFC work when the screen is locked

PogMoThoin · 02-01-2013 12:56am

batistuta9 wrote: »

who would you be given your bank card to for long enough that they'd remember your name, 16 digit number & 3 digit security code, rain man?

I don't expect a human to remember it, cameras are tiny these days

batistuta9 wrote: »

I think on XDA there's mods to make NFC work when the screen is locked

Yes, user installable mods, as with any security, the human themselves are the weakest link.

batistuta9 · 02-01-2013 1:12am

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I don't expect a human to remember it, cameras are tiny these days

Yes, user installable mods, as with any security, the human themselves are the weakest link.

it's easier for someone to have a NFC card skimming app installed than use a tiny camera though, as you don't even need the person to take it out & you'd be able to target far more people, etc.

anyway i'm not too bothered by it, all tin foil hat :pac: & think NFC bank cards are a good idea, just know it can be done easily enough

this is going OT.

EGriff · 02-01-2013 10:51am

Is there a way to make the phone output what your student card (or any other card) puts out? So that I'll be able to just open an app and put the phone over the door lock instead of my card?

juan.kerr · 02-01-2013 11:48am

Not really contactless if I need a PIN for peace of mind.

PogMoThoin · 02-01-2013 11:52am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Not really contactless if I need a PIN for peace of mind.

You just need to unlock the phone, this requires a pin or whatever security you choose.

dahamsta · 02-01-2013 12:03pm

What apps are people using? I played with it on my HTC One X when I first got it but soon tired of it, the implementation wasn't the best (disabled on lock for example, useful to know there's a workaround) and the apps were as ugly and unusable as Tasker. (Although Tasker really is in a league of its own on that front.)

PogMoThoin · 02-01-2013 12:18pm

Just use NFC Task Launcher to program the tags
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jwsoft.nfcactionlauncher&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5qd3NvZnQubmZjYWN0aW9ubGF1bmNoZXIiXQ..

dahamsta · 02-01-2013 12:56pm

That was one of the ones I was using, but it does look a bit more usable now, thanks.

BenEadir · 13-02-2013 2:44pm

Guys,

Which NFC Tags should I go for to ensure future compatibility? It seems the most popular are MiFare Classic tags but these are not compliant with the NFC Forum standard and the newer phones such as Nexus 4 from Google won't work with MiFare classic tags because Google are sticking to the standard. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s16Cs9Ep5Ag

Ntag203 tags seem to be the recommended 'NFC Forum Standard' tags but will they work with existing NFC enabled phones such as the Samsung Note II?

I want to implement some NFC tag's but don't want to end up in a situation where the tags aren't compliant with future NFC phone technology.

I'm confused.com

Can someone clarify?

Ben

Who here has an NFC enabled smartphone?

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