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Time for an MCD job on all Irish newspapers?

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    #32
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    I don't understand why people get so emotive about something like this. If you don't want to avail of the service, then don't. Simples.

    Some people seem to think that the internet is a free for all and you can upload / download any content without any repercussions.


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    #33
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Surely there could be a happy medium here?

    Off the top of my head-
    Newspapers are given the opportunity to have official representatives on here. If there is a news story that breaks here, they must ask the permission of the OP to print it. If they don't and it's proven that the story originated on here, the journalist/newspaper has to pay a minimum fee of €300 to the site.

    Why pay the site if the OP is the one who can give permission?


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    #34
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I don't think anyone has been particularly emotive about it.

    It is an important issue though as I have seen literally hundreds of posts on boards linking to an article in a newspaper which generate lots of discussion. The publications own comment section don't tend to be able to deal effectively with large numbers of posts and discussion. It seems a bit silly that rather than link to the article here we would write - 'see indo site and search for x'.


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    #35
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,002 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Theres very simply ways around it though, for instance using tinyurl or other similar services when posting on a irish site, or simply link it on reddit and link the reddit post on boards thus getting around the issue of the link being a copyright property as they have no way to go after reddit or other foreign sites.
    This whole things shows a complete lack of understanding of how the internet works


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    #36
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I don't think anyone has been particularly emotive about it.

    That's a fair point, my comment wasn't aimed specifically at this thread, althought the OP does mention an embargo.


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    #37
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    But won't it sort of kill of threads here as people can't link back?

    "So what about that fat kid who is 22 stone? Via the Daily mail"
    Eh?

    Don't both media feed off each other?

    I think it may actually hurt a lot of "new" media. There are some sites that just make money off aggregating media and news from sites. The Journal for example.


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    #38
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    I don't understand why people get so emotive about something like this. If you don't want to avail of the service, then don't. Simples.

    What "service" should we not avail of? They're OK with us reading the content, but not using a technology that they should have no say over to reference it?
    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Some people seem to think that the internet is a free for all and you can upload / download any content without any repercussions.

    This is about linking to a site, not reproducing their work though. It's like the newspaper saying that someone doesn't have the right to give GPS coordinates or directions to find their physical location. It's nonsensical.


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    #39
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    NLI have issued a clarification - which hopefully means I'm OK to post this link!
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0107/breaking37.html


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    #40
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Eoin wrote: »
    NLI have issued a clarification - which hopefully means I'm OK to post this link!
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0107/breaking37.html

    So basically, Boards cannot post up contents of newspapers - the half baked ban that's in place at the moment?


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    #41
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Eoin wrote: »
    NLI have issued a clarification - which hopefully means I'm OK to post this link!
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0107/breaking37.html
    Not really a clarification, it's more a case now that they have two contradictory statements. They haven't said their previous declaration was an error, or that they've changed their stance

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    #42
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    28064212 wrote: »
    Not really a clarification, it's more a case now that they have two contradictory statements. They haven't said their previous declaration was an error, or that they've changed their stance

    That's a better way of putting it!

    The comments say that the IT are going to change their copyright notice to say that there is no issue with linking, yet another comment (possibly deleted now) stated that someone else a poster has spoken to in the IT had said that links were not allowed.

    Hopefully a joint statement will be made from all the relevant parties clearing the whole mess up.


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    #43
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,712 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    With the amount of question marks in that article, it seems like even they don't know what they're talking about


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    #44
    C.K Dexter Haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭C.K Dexter Haven


    This has implications for businesses other than discussion forum places like boards.ie. I think it's the whole commercial aspect that's at the crux of the matter. While there was an article in the Irish Times last Saturday distinguishing between links and copyright, and extolling the virtues of links being the life blood of the online community, I reckon it still makes web owners uneasy.


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