Parkrun..

The Black Oil

Are we not simply going to return to what was discussed earlier? HQ are not going to risk bad PR.

robinph

Burkie1203 wrote: »

But that's not How parkrun operates. Token and scanner volunteers are stuck in the same spot for an hour with 100-500 people all going past them, hanging around chatting, walking back and forth to catch up with people etc.

Look at society at large. The last 2 weeks have seen a big shift in behaviour back towards what it was a few months ago. I'm seeing more and more public gathering, I saw a football match being played in a local park yesterday by about 16 ppl, house parties nearby, saw a pic on Twitter of a party of sorts in Glasnevin cemetery sometime last week

Once society starts to get back to something resembling what it once was, people's behaviour will not be as vigilant as it was a few months ago and therein lies the problem. A well versed person handing out tokens is 100% reliant on 100-500 ppl (depending on which parkrun) to be vigilant at the end of a 5km run.

But this is all happening outside in a big space, apart from one event I've heard of that makes you take your shoes off and go into the cafe to get scanned!?!?

Don't think we are there yet, but New Zealand could be quite soon. Just a couple of small changes and people generally being less close when hanging out in parks will make a big difference.

Paddyman38

I have done regular parkruns up until this virus, and was thinking, could we not do parkruns without scanning barcodes, if we wanted a time we could time ourselves on our own watches most do that anyway ,and if your competitive and like to be near the front you would have a fairly good idea what position you finish in. At least it would get us back out parkrunning ,

TaurenDruid

Burkie1203 wrote: »

But that's not How parkrun operates. Token and scanner volunteers are stuck in the same spot for an hour with 100-500 people all going past them, hanging around chatting, walking back and forth to catch up with people etc.

Look at society at large. The last 2 weeks have seen a big shift in behaviour back towards what it was a few months ago. I'm seeing more and more public gathering, I saw a football match being played in a local park yesterday by about 16 ppl, house parties nearby, saw a pic on Twitter of a party of sorts in Glasnevin cemetery sometime last week

Once society starts to get back to something resembling what it once was, people's behaviour will not be as vigilant as it was a few months ago and therein lies the problem. A well versed person handing out tokens is 100% reliant on 100-500 ppl (depending on which parkrun) to be vigilant at the end of a 5km run.

I'll have no problem scanning. I'll wear a mask, until I have a vaccine. With the app now, it's less than 5 seconds per person. Giving out tokens - that can be catered for at all but the largest parkruns, I'd say. Arrange them in batches of 20 or 50 on a bench or table. First person in takes first token on first pile. Next person takes next token. And so on. There are ways and means that are practical, efficient, and safe.

Perfectly happy to run untimed, too, and maybe that's what they should do, at least for a few weeks.

Burkie1203

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I'll have no problem scanning. I'll wear a mask, until I have a vaccine. With the app now, it's less than 5 seconds per person. Giving out tokens - that can be catered for at all but the largest parkruns, I'd say. Arrange them in batches of 20 or 50 on a bench or table. First person in takes first token on first pile. Next person takes next token. And so on. There are ways and means that are practical, efficient, and safe.

Perfectly happy to run untimed, too, and maybe that's what they should do, at least for a few weeks.

Again. Trying to change behaviours of 100s of people is not going to work. Most people don't listen to the briefing as is.

Tokens will end up spilt, knocked over or on the ground.

The process will inevitably have to change

KJ

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Again. Trying to change behaviours of 100s of people is not going to work. Most people don't listen to the briefing as is.

Tokens will end up spilt, knocked over or on the ground.

The process will inevitably have to change

And runners will still pull their barcode from all sorts of sweaty orifices to be scanned.

robinph

With the various suggestions of running without being timed as a resolution, how do you see the briefings and start happening?

Curious as to why scanning a barcode is seen as a bigger risk than standing around for 15 minutes chatting in close proximity?

TaurenDruid

KJ wrote: »

And runners will still pull their barcode from all sorts of sweaty orifices to be scanned.

Unless that sweaty orifice is their mouth, then that's not going to impact anyone's chances of catching covid, a respiratory illness.

Wash hands, leave home, stick on gloves, do scanning, dispose of gloves, disinfect hands even though I was wearing gloves wherever it is that I'm getting coffee, go home, shower.

Obviously if you wouldn't feel comfortable scanning, then don't.

The bigger risk, as robinph states, is people standing around in close proximity at the start.

Sunny Dayz

Paddyman38 wrote: »

I have done regular parkruns up until this virus, and was thinking, could we not do parkruns without scanning barcodes, if we wanted a time we could time ourselves on our own watches most do that anyway ,and if your competitive and like to be near the front you would have a fairly good idea what position you finish in. At least it would get us back out parkrunning ,

There's already something similar in place called a freedom run,

What is parkrun Freedom?
parkrun Freedom is the ability to record your time if you run one of our courses at a different time to the normal parkrun.

To record a run just follow the parkrun Freedom link on your parkrun profile page.

The most recent parkrun Freedom runs are shown on the parkrun results page.

Please remember that Freedom runs do not count your run total or any of the parkrun clubs.

Shedite27

Yeah to be honest, there's 2 benefits from Parkrun:

Health - we can all go for a run on our own. You can even do your own Parkrun course at 9:30 on a Saturday morning if you're pushed once it's within your 5k radius.

Social - we have to realise this is a no-no for a few months. It's curtailed in every walk of life. Get on Zoom if you want to chat to someone, or meet them in a park from Monday. I've seen it on every forum, people trying to bend the rules saying "whats the harm". The harm is that if too many people bend the rules we'll end up going backwards to 2k radius

Burkie1203

robinph wrote: »

With the various suggestions of running without being timed as a resolution, how do you see the briefings and start happening?

Curious as to why scanning a barcode is seen as a bigger risk than standing around for 15 minutes chatting in close proximity?

Because at the end of the run you have 100-500 people breathing quite heavily. Sweating, running arms/hands across face etc. People are less likely to be fully switched onto the new reality at the end of the 5km run while they literally catch their breath.

Finish areas are also a honey pot for social activity and the volunteers are stuck in the same spot.

Will the VHI advertising plastic tape be done away with as the virus can stay on surfaces for days on end. Or will it be single use only and then bin?

My local parkrun gets average 150-200 in the last 12 month's. I've seen people vomiting at the finish line twice while volunteering on tokens/scanning.


It will have to change IMO or else it could be a long time before it returns

robinph

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Because at the end of the run you have 100-500 people breathing quite heavily. Sweating, running arms/hands across face etc. People are less likely to be fully switched onto the new reality at the end of the 5km run while they literally catch their breath.

Finish areas are also a honey pot for social activity and the volunteers are stuck in the same spot.

Will the VHI advertising plastic tape be done away with as the virus can stay on surfaces for days on end. Or will it be single use only and then bin?

My local parkrun gets average 150-200 in the last 12 month's. I've seen people vomiting at the finish line twice while volunteering on tokens/scanning.


It will have to change IMO or else it could be a long time before it returns

Ignoring the sweating and vomiting as being routes of transmission unless people are getting up to exceedingly weird things we are left with breathing in close proximity to others for a significant duration.

There are multiple ways of minimising any risk during the token handing out and scanning process. But doing away with scanning and timing does nothing to eliminate the socialising aspect at the start and finish. So why are people suggesting doing away with the timing as a solution? I can't see any gain from doing that as far as reducing the standing around at the start and finish aspects.

Getting rid of timing doesn't eliminate the standing around chatting at the start, and it also doesn't eliminate the standing around chatting at the finish. Unless you are suggesting people getting chased from the park with a cattle prod as soon as they cross the line?

TaurenDruid

robinph wrote: »

Unless you are suggesting people getting chased from the park with a cattle prod as soon as they cross the line?

While I do want to improve my speed, that seems a bit drastic!

Cape Clear

When are road races ect. expected to return? Any what sorts of restrictions/protocols are likely to be in place as I'd imagine Parkrun would be expected to follow similar guidelines.

Murph_D

Cape Clear wrote: »

When are road races ect. expected to return? Any what sorts of restrictions/protocols are likely to be in place as I'd imagine Parkrun would be expected to follow similar guidelines.

No time soon anyway, IMO. Lots of discussion and suggestions on how to do things abound, but the fact is there are likely to be social distancing protocols in place for a long time, and racing/parkrunning as we have known them are just not going to happen before those restrictions are no longer advised, either by govt or health authorities.

corcaigh07

Definitely think timing will need to become self service somehow, maybe upload your time if available (unknown if not) or have a timer there and let people claim their time and position afterwards.

Thing is, the site for uploading is very manual labour intensive. The website would need an overhaul. A reusable timer chip would be cool but that flys in the face of parkrun ethos.

Maybe they could somehow include freedom run results as “real” parkrun results on a Saturday? (Obviously trusting people not to bs with this solution)

The briefing should be ok at most parkruns even with social distancing. I’d only be worried about the busier ones in a confined area like Bushy Dublin for example.

ger664

I would hate to see volenteers roles reduced. 12% of people who volenteer dont or have never ran a parkrun. Some people get more from doing this from a mental health social prospective. The biggest risk of contagion @ parkrun will be the coffee afterwards again for some thats the best part and it would not be the same without it.

opus

Not a surprise anyway with the latest announcement from parkrun hq.

We can now confirm that parkrun events across the world will be suspended until the end of June. Please note that this represents a minimum time-frame for all parkrun countries and we expect most, if not all, closures to be in place for longer.

opus

From the latest parkrun update, NZ will be the first back it looks like.

As such, we hope to confirm a reopening date for parkrun New Zealand in next week’s update.

rainbow kirby

Just waiting for the uber-tourists to start booking flights

Seannew1

No social distancing required in New Zealand, I think we are a good bit off them, unfortunately.

Burkie1203

robinph wrote: »

Ignoring the sweating and vomiting as being routes of transmission unless people are getting up to exceedingly weird things we are left with breathing in close proximity to others for a significant duration.

There are multiple ways of minimising any risk during the token handing out and scanning process. But doing away with scanning and timing does nothing to eliminate the socialising aspect at the start and finish. So why are people suggesting doing away with the timing as a solution? I can't see any gain from doing that as far as reducing the standing around at the start and finish aspects.

Getting rid of timing doesn't eliminate the standing around chatting at the start, and it also doesn't eliminate the standing around chatting at the finish. Unless you are suggesting people getting chased from the park with a cattle prod as soon as they cross the line?

socialising before or after is optional. If your on token or scanning duty, you are stuck to the one spot, this isnt rocket science to figure out

robinph

Burkie1203 wrote: »

socialising before or after is optional. If your on token or scanning duty, you are stuck to the one spot, this isnt rocket science to figure out

Not sure what your point is, but it doesn't take more than a couple of fractions of a second to hand out a token and only a second longer to scan it. Unless you belive that when parkrun restarts every single parkrunner is infectious and every one of them will be coughing directly at the token scanners I don't anticipate there being much of a problem.

If the volunteer is that nervous regarding infection then they are unlikely to have left their own front door since March and unlikely to do so for a long time after parkrun restarts.

Murph_D

robinph wrote: »

Not sure what your point is, but it doesn't take more than a couple of fractions of a second to hand out a token and only a second longer to scan it. Unless you belive that when parkrun restarts every single parkrunner is infectious and every one of them will be coughing directly at the token scanners I don't anticipate there being much of a problem.

If the volunteer is that nervous regarding infection then they are unlikely to have left their own front door since March and unlikely to do so for a long time after parkrun restarts.

Is a small problem acceptable? Of course not every park runner will be infectious but there's a reasonable chance (not really quantifiable with the current state of knowledge) that at least one of them will be, whether symptomatic or not, and a very high chance that that one person will be in contact with or in close proximity to a reasonably high number of others, depending on the event.

Hence distancing is still a thing, and so is limiting the size of gatherings.

robinph

Murph_D wrote: »

Hence distancing is still a thing, and so is limiting the size of gatherings.

There is no more interaction between parkrunners and token givers and scanner volunteers than between someone getting on a bus and the driver. Nobody is getting in a panic about buying their bus tickets, it's the sitting in the bus for 20 minutes in close proximity to a bunch of other people which is the risk, meanwhile the bus driver is in their own separate little box away from everyone else and with the window open to get some fresh air in.

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

There is no more interaction between parkrunners and token givers and scanner volunteers than between someone getting on a bus and the driver. Nobody is getting in a panic about buying their bus tickets, it's the sitting in the bus for 20 minutes in close proximity to a bunch of other people which is the risk, meanwhile the bus driver is in their own separate little box away from everyone else and with the window open to get some fresh air in.

But the bus driver has a screen between them and the customer.
Will there be screens protecting the token person?

Also its the gatherings at the start, hence why alot of races are cancelled.

Popupraces is running a trial race where groups of 4 go off 90 secs apart. You keep social distancing till it's your time

Burkie1203

robinph wrote: »

There is no more interaction between parkrunners and token givers and scanner volunteers than between someone getting on a bus and the driver. Nobody is getting in a panic about buying their bus tickets, it's the sitting in the bus for 20 minutes in close proximity to a bunch of other people which is the risk, meanwhile the bus driver is in their own separate little box away from everyone else and with the window open to get some fresh air in.

Finish area is where people gather post run. The common denominator will be the token and scanning. Core team, Marshalls etc cannot control 200 ppl all at once. So of course there is an element of risk attached to being stuck in the one position for an hour

Dublin bus capacity is 17 (20% of bus capacity) and the driver has a screen and most passengers are wearing masks on the few buses I've been on in the last 3 weeks

It is already being looked at for alternatives according to one of the parkrun updates from a few weeks ago too so they obviously have concerns.

robinph

The volunteer can wear a mask if needed or get one of the clear face shields for them.

What has surprised me through this though is people coming up with all sorts of fantastical ways to do wave starts, no timing, pre booking your parkrun space etc and thinking that would enable parkrun to return. Mostly on various Facebook groups rather than here. But missing the most important, and most risky under current conditions, bit of a parkrun is not the 5km run or the time you get at the end... Its all about the hanging around chatting beforehand and the coffee and cake afterwards.

For all the talk about the wonderful parkrun ethos that nobody has ever explained but that gets pulled out every other week on the Facebook groups with whatever that weeks incident is, they seem to be very unaware of the social point of parkrun.

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

The volunteer can wear a mask if needed or get one of the clear face shields for them.

What has surprised me through this though is people coming up with all sorts of fantastical ways to do wave starts, no timing, pre booking your parkrun space etc and thinking that would enable parkrun to return. Mostly on various Facebook groups rather than here. But missing the most important, and most risky under current conditions, bit of a parkrun is not the 5km run or the time you get at the end... Its all about the hanging around chatting beforehand and the coffee and cake afterwards.

For all the talk about the wonderful parkrun ethos that nobody has ever explained but that gets pulled out every other week on the Facebook groups with whatever that weeks incident is, they seem to be very unaware of the social point of parkrun.

There is two areas for concern and the risk in Ireland right now is pretty low:
1. The gathering before the race and after. I dont stay around for the after.
2. Is the sweat droplets from people at the end for the stewards at the finish line and token person .

Also.sweat droplets arena concern during the race but u be very unlucky

Murph_D

robinph wrote: »

There is no more interaction between parkrunners and token givers and scanner volunteers than between someone getting on a bus and the driver. Nobody is getting in a panic about buying their bus tickets, it's the sitting in the bus for 20 minutes in close proximity to a bunch of other people which is the risk, meanwhile the bus driver is in their own separate little box away from everyone else and with the window open to get some fresh air in.

The bus is a poor analogy. For a start, parkrunners ‘transact’ with at least two volunteers, not one. And I don’t know about the UK, but in Ireland, at least when they have a choice, people ARE staying away from buying bus and train tickets, and from public transport in general. Every bike that’s been lying in the shed for the last 20 years seems to have been resurrected, for example, and the bike rental schemes are busier than they’ve ever been.

That said, the UK approach to a lot of things has been less cautious, and parkrun HQ has not been making the most conservative noises. I wouldn’t be surprised to see parkrun returning sooner over there. Not sure that Irish parkrun will follow suit, and that will be fine with me.

Rossi7

Pretty sure I've read that 30 odd London Bus drivers have died from the virus so far, so is the cult going to accept 30 token scanners losing their lives

average_runner

Rossi7 wrote: »

Pretty sure I've read that 30 odd London Bus drivers have died from the virus so far, so is the cult going to accept 30 token scanners losing their lives

Do you know where the bus drivers got it from?
Havent heard of many in Ireland

robinph

average_runner wrote: »

Also.sweat droplets arena concern during the race but u be very unlucky

How is sweat a risk?

average_runner wrote: »

Do you know where the bus drivers got it from?
Havent heard of many in Ireland

There are probably a bunch more factors at play such as when the drivers caught it (before or after social distancing) and also age and ethnicity are very major factors in terms of risk. The bus drivers in London would tend to be very different from those around London.

As for interactions with bus drivers I believe that all fares were suspended quite quickly after lockdown initially came in, they are now taking fares again but for London this is only the tapping of your Oyster card anyway so limited interaction was ever happening.

Seannew1

If people were to hazard a guess, when do ye think we will be back up and running again with parkrun?? My guess would be August. I'd be happy to volunteer for the first while to get it going again and hopefully people after a while would feel safe and comfortable to return. That's provided our re-opening goes according to plan and cases go down.

robinph

Seannew1 wrote: »

If people were to hazard a guess, when do ye think we will be back up and running again with parkrun?? My guess would be August. I'd be happy to volunteer for the first while to get it going again and hopefully people after a while would feel safe and comfortable to return. That's provided our re-opening goes according to plan and cases go down.

Think it will depend on how strictly parkrun stick to their current thinking that everything regarding social distancing must be gone before they restart. New Zealand will almost certainly be back in July and they currently have all restrictions lifted, except for international travel. I doubt that any other country is going to be able to reach that stage any time this year as all other countries, except North Korea, are much more interconnected with each other than New Zealand.

Once NZ has been running parkruns for a couple of months, and countries such as Ireland have moved to very limited social distancing measures (but still having some) I expect that parkrun will just have to cave to the pressure and allow opening up again. They will also have to re look at their plan of treating countries as one thing that must all open up at the same time as they can't open Ireland without NI, and to continue keeping Guernsey and Bressay closed because Bushy London is will get increasingly daft as the months go by.

average_runner

Sweat droplets landing on another runner is a way to pass the virus, its a low risk in my opinion but if you have people coughing and spitting(all very common) when racing, it will increase the risk.


Pop up races ran a trial last night, it was good but not really practical for your normal race

robinph

average_runner wrote: »

Sweat droplets landing on another runner is a way to pass the virus, its a low risk in my opinion but if you have people coughing and spitting(all very common) when racing, it will increase the risk.

Is it? Where did you get that information from?

It's an infection affecting your lungs, how would your sweat become infectious?

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

Is it? Where did you get that information from?

It's an infection affecting your lungs, how would your sweat become infectious?

But when people sweat, usually your nose will have gunk etc, this can transfer with sweat. When people sweat they wipe their face, droplets from mouth or nose can come off that. People also breath heavy if racing and droplets can come from the mouth due to that.



Its a low risk as I said. To be honest I am not against racing, was training with a group last week

robinph

average_runner wrote: »

But when people sweat, usually your nose will have gunk etc, this can transfer with sweat. When people sweat they wipe their face, droplets from mouth or nose can come off that. People also breath heavy if racing and droplets can come from the mouth due to that.



Its a low risk as I said. To be honest I am not against racing, was training with a group last week

But that is still not sweat that is dangerous, just that people who sweat might be breathing out infectious droplets. I'd doubt if anyones sweat is becoming an aerosol and floating around in the atmosphere for any duration as sweat droplets will be falling to the ground pretty quickly, especially if they have snot in them as well. Other than the "study" from a month or so ago claiming that running 30 meters behind people was somehow dangerous there isn't anything to suggest that people are likely to catch Covid19 from running with someone else.

If you are infectious and wipe your sweaty brow and then cough on your hand and then shake hands with someone who then licks their hand and wipes their eyes, frankly they deserve pretty much everything they get.

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

But that is still not sweat that is dangerous, just that people who sweat might be breathing out infectious droplets. I'd doubt if anyones sweat is becoming an aerosol and floating around in the atmosphere for any duration as sweat droplets will be falling to the ground pretty quickly, especially if they have snot in them as well. Other than the "study" from a month or so ago claiming that running 30 meters behind people was somehow dangerous there isn't anything to suggest that people are likely to catch Covid19 from running with someone else.

If you are infectious and wipe your sweaty brow and then cough on your hand and then shake hands with someone who then licks their hand and wipes their eyes, frankly they deserve pretty much everything they get.

I said it was low risk. In all races I do, there usually 5 people around me especially in parkrun until the last 1.5k.


But at some stage we got to accept a risk as i don't see pop up races as a solution

ger664

We currently have ~ 800 active cases in Ireland from a population of nearly 5 Million. 300 or so are in Hospital the other 500 should be in isolation. Of that 500 how many are actually park runners.

As regards asymptomatic case. Probably only 100-200 cases in the country if it was any bigger the daily new cases would not be its current rate < 20/day

IMO Currently The risk of getting Covid-19 at a parkrun is about the same as getting lyms diese at a parkrun

ariana`

ger664 wrote: »

We currently have ~ 800 active cases in Ireland from a population of nearly 5 Million. 300 or so are in Hospital the other 500 should be in isolation. Of that 500 how many are actually park runners.

As regards asymptomatic case. Probably only 100-200 cases in the country if it was any bigger the daily new cases would not be its current rate < 20/day

IMO Currently The risk of getting Covid-19 at a parkrun is about the same as getting lyms diese at a parkrun

I believe it's only in recent weeks (past month or so) that the close contacts of positive cases have been tested even if they're showing no symptoms and the relative health professionals have been very surprised by the proportion of asymptomatic cases. I don't know the % but apparently its higher than anticipated. But you're right these would be included in overall numbers so are still low but it does raise the likelihood of running along someone with Covid at park run. I think it is these asymptomatic cases that is most worrying in general.

Murph_D

Never underestimate the optimism of the amateur epidemiologist.

TaurenDruid

Something non-covid related!

Got the mail there about the new apricot shirts. Great!

Clicked on the link. STG£33 for a running tee? Eh, no. No way I can justify nearly €40 on a running shirt! I mean, I've spent a lot less on race entries, that came with a shirt included!

What's the thinking here? Keep them exclusive, or something? Seems a bit mad. I'd be doing the opposite - selling them around €20, but also having the milestone shirts available to buy - you get your first free, but can re-buy if you want (to replace one after wear and tear, or moving up or down a size).

GalwayGrrrrrl

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Something non-covid related!

Got the mail there about the new apricot shirts. Great!

Clicked on the link. STG£33 for a running tee? Eh, no. No way I can justify nearly €40 on a running shirt! I mean, I've spent a lot less on race entries, that came with a shirt included!

What's the thinking here? Keep them exclusive, or something? Seems a bit mad. I'd be doing the opposite - selling them around €20, but also having the milestone shirts available to buy - you get your first free, but can re-buy if you want (to replace one after wear and tear, or moving up or down a size).

Given the price people pay for football shirts, GAA shirts etc they are fairly reasonably priced. It’s the only thing in parkrun that you have to pay for, and I’m happy to support them.

TaurenDruid

GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »

Given the price people pay for football shirts, GAA shirts etc they are fairly reasonably priced. It’s the only thing in parkrun that you have to pay for, and I’m happy to support them.

Yeah, but you can wear a football, GAA or rugby shirt as casual wear, to the pub, casual Friday, etc. Not so much a running tee. Maybe I've been doing it wrong, though

Swashbuckler

average_runner wrote:

Also.sweat droplets arena concern during the race but u be very unlucky

Toxic sweat eh?

py

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Something non-covid related!

Got the mail there about the new apricot shirts. Great!

Clicked on the link. STG£33 for a running tee? Eh, no. No way I can justify nearly €40 on a running shirt! I mean, I've spent a lot less on race entries, that came with a shirt included!

What's the thinking here? Keep them exclusive, or something? Seems a bit mad. I'd be doing the opposite - selling them around €20, but also having the milestone shirts available to buy - you get your first free, but can re-buy if you want (to replace one after wear and tear, or moving up or down a size).

I'd say the thinking is that you get a 5Km timed run for free every week across a number of countries. Bills have to be paid etc. It's a good quality shirt, I'll probably pick up one of the apricot vests soon enough.

Shedite27

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Something non-covid related!

Got the mail there about the new apricot shirts. Great!

Clicked on the link. STG£33 for a running tee? Eh, no. No way I can justify nearly €40 on a running shirt! I mean, I've spent a lot less on race entries, that came with a shirt included!

What's the thinking here? Keep them exclusive, or something? Seems a bit mad. I'd be doing the opposite - selling them around €20, but also having the milestone shirts available to buy - you get your first free, but can re-buy if you want (to replace one after wear and tear, or moving up or down a size).

Lots of 5ks get you one race and one T-shirt for €30.
You get unlimited 5ks plus one T-shirt for €40.

Sounds like a bargain

TaurenDruid

py wrote: »

I'd say the thinking is that you get a 5Km timed run for free every week across a number of countries. Bills have to be paid etc. It's a good quality shirt, I'll probably pick up one of the apricot vests soon enough.

Yeah, that's the thing. If I do get one of these, it'll be a one-off - likely a Christmas or birthday present. But if they were a more normal price - say €15 or €20 - I'd happily have a couple in my wardrobe. And I'd happily re-buy replacements for my older milestone tees. They'd get more money out of me is the point.

I mean, I've got race entry, a technical top, a medal and a goodie bag for half what they're charging, and that money was also going to a good cause.