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Leasing farmland in 2013

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  • #52
    JohnBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    farmer1990 wrote: »
    Okay say i was to lease the land to a person with the maps, how do i ensure that i don't lose my entitlements to this person in the future?? My uncle works in the department of Agriculture and his strongly against me leasing the maps to people as i can lose my entitlements....it's all very frustrating and confusing :P Even harder asking Local Farmers as they're telling me all sorts just to ensure I lease the land to them.

    Your uncle sounds like anyone I know in the department too. they know the rules, but unless they're actually in your yard, carrying out an EU audited inspection they generally seem to have similar views to the rest of us.


    there has been some talk of potential contracts to allow for a tenant to activate the entitlements on your land, use them during the lease but transfer them back to you at the end of the lease. I believe there was the potential for similar arrangements last time round?

    For such an arrangement to potentially happen you'd want to be on an annual lease though as you wont know until at least the end of the summer what the plans are for the next CAP.

    We're delighted with the extra year rollover as some of our land is leased out until the end of 2014 so this means it'll be back to us for the start of the next system when we're gonna be taking it back in hand anyway.


    The issue is that right now absolutely no-one knows what the final negotiated agreement will be on the cap reform and therefore they're all trying maximise their chances of the best deal in the future.


  • #53
    farmer1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭farmer1990


    Thanks for the advice lads much appreciated....Now that I've found out i have too rent the maps how much should i be asking for P.A, i should be getting rent and my entitlements back aye??


  • #54
    bob charles
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    local tenant paying a decent price for this land aswell.

    there is no good reason firstly why there is a rush in the field in the foreground, poaching has led to that

    secondly the tenant is practicing a new method of removing bales from the fields by leaving the job until he needs them, must say this approach is appealing, see the bales in the hill field in the background. worryingly there are 3 or 4 fields further along with bales where the baler dropped them.


  • #55
    caseman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭caseman


    bob charles wrote: »
    local tenant paying a decent price for this land aswell.

    there is no good reason firstly why there is a rush in the field in the foreground, poaching has led to that

    secondly the tenant is practicing a new method of removing bales from the fields by leaving the job until he needs them, must say this approach is appealing, see the bales in the hill field in the background. worryingly there are 3 or 4 fields further along with bales where the baler dropped them.

    Tasty bit of work taking place their.


  • #56
    farmer1990
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    He guys does any1 have a rough idea how much round sialge/hay bales might make this year I know there are alot of circumstance like the weather and supply/demand but I'm just wondering roughly how much?


  • #57
    1chippy
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    farmer1990 wrote: »
    He guys does any1 have a rough idea how much round sialge/hay bales might make this year I know there are alot of circumstance like the weather and supply/demand but I'm just wondering roughly how much?
    Dont even dream of it. its a complete waste of time trying to make money on bales. prices ranging round here between 18-28 30at a push, although heard of two farmers getting stuck into each other for bales at an auction and paying 48 a bale. you can make your own call from that.


  • #58
    mf240
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    Thats this year chippy only last march you could have your pick of bales round here for 12 euro. 20 collected is the price when silage is not really scarce or really over plentiful.

    you will be taking a nice shot of p and k off too and if not replaced you will end up with moss and very little grass.


  • #59
    farmgirl
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    Hi. I have been leasing land for the past number of years with only a verbal agreement in place. I receive a single payment for this every April. The problem is, with only a verbal agreement in place for so long I can't remember whether that payment refers to the year passed or is it for the coming year? I know this may seem rediculous but this is the position I find myself in. Any suggestions as to how I might find out this info without actually asking the tenant? I would try the accountant but I'm having difficulty contacting him at the moment. Any ideas as I need to get this sorted and draw up a proper lease agreement.


  • #60
    Massey10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Massey10


    farmgirl wrote: »
    Hi. I have been leasing land for the past number of years with only a verbal agreement in place. I receive a single payment for this every April. The problem is, with only a verbal agreement in place for so long I can't remember whether that payment refers to the year passed or is it for the coming year? I know this may seem rediculous but this is the position I find myself in. Any suggestions as to how I might find out this info without actually asking the tenant? I would try the accountant but I'm having difficulty contacting him at the moment. Any ideas as I need to get this sorted and draw up a proper lease agreement.
    If you cant remember if the tenant payed on taking the ground or after having it for a year what can your accountan tell you.If he was claiming sfp on your land maybe the dept. could tell you when he first included it in his name. How much land are you talking about


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  • #61
    neil7024
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    What is the Law when it comes to Adverse Possession or Squatters Rights . I have a lease in place but will it protect me from a tenant claiming adverse possession. The tenant has been in place for a total on 11 years. I read somewhere that the tenant could claim rights if left in place for 12 years.


  • #62
    Jimlh86
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    neil7024 wrote: »
    What is the Law when it comes to Adverse Possession or Squatters Rights . I have a lease in place but will it protect me from a tenant claiming adverse possession. The tenant has been in place for a total on 11 years. I read somewhere that the tenant could claim rights if left in place for 12 years.

    Totally open to correction but I don't think you can claim rights if you've paid rent at any point for it? As in to have a claim on a place you'd need to be farming it while not owning or paying rent on it!


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