PS4 Megathread

aindriu80

Otacon wrote: »

That's because the PS3 only runs at 5400PRM. If the PS4 has an SSD and is designed to utilise it properly, it could dramatically improved boot-up times and loading in general.



With more RAM available, this shouldn't be a problem. TBH I hope the PS4's interface is as close as possible, functionally, to the XMB. Their recent store re-design doesn't inspire confidence though.

My sentiments. I don't want to get too hung up over the PS4 specs but I really do hope Sony pushes the boat out and give us a super fast machine.

aindriu80

'Dual Camera' said to support head and hand tracking as game inputs
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By Tom Ivan for CVG UK

Sony is "almost sure" to bundle a next generation PlayStation Eye device with every PlayStation 4.

That's according to a new rumour published on VGLeaks, which backs up a recent Edge report claiming that Sony is developing an improved iteration of the PS Eye peripheral that will be compatible with the Move controller.
Referred to as 'Dual Camera', the device is said to contain a pair of wide-angle cameras, each offering a resolution of 1280 x 720 pixels, while sound is processed by a four microphone array working at 48 Khz,

The site claims the device supports head and hand tracking as new game inputs, adding that it's unclear if it'll support body tracking in the future.

On the non-gaming side of things, the Dual Camera is said to be capable of supporting video chat, and recognising and signing users into PS4.

Sony is expected to reveal PlayStation 4 at an event taking place in New York on February 20.

The next generation console will launch in Japan and the US by the end of 2013 but will not be released in Europe until "early 2014", Edge recently reported.

Looks like they are including it with the PS4 and it will work with the existing PlayStation Move.

Varik

So new rumour out from a source meant to be someone in Guerrilla that there's a 2013 Killzone 4.

http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/killzone_3/news/killzone_4_launching_on_playstation_4_releasing_in_2013.html

Morpork

Just for a laugh Sony should show a target render of Killzone 4 on PS4 in 8bit graphics.

Varik

Morpork wrote: »

Just for a laugh Sony should show a target render of Killzone 4 on PS4 in 8bit graphics.

Just some live action with a good filter and some of the Sony execs playing the parts.

cloud493

They should do another redone clip of the opening of Final Fantasy 7(with PS4 graphics) just to set the speculation off :pac:

Varik

cloud493 wrote: »

They should do another redone clip of the opening of Final Fantasy 7(with PS4 graphics) just to set the speculation off :pac:

I don't think that would start any speculation, just an angry mob looking for Squares heads on spikes.

MarkY91

i know what and SSD but does the average gamer? 90% of people i know with a ps3 dont understand what a HDD is

RedXIV

MarkY91 wrote: »

i know what and SSD but does the average gamer? 90% of people i know with a ps3 dont understand what a HDD is

I'd be surprised if it was that high, we're at the stage now where we're getting close to 40 years of games in the world and a full generation of people who are not afraid to get to grips with technology. While I wouldn't necessarily expect all gamers to understand exactly what the anagrams mean and how an SSD drive is faster than your average harddrive, I would expect the vast majority to be aware of the importance of the hard drive.

tok9

RedXIV wrote: »

I'd be surprised if it was that high, we're at the stage now where we're getting close to 40 years of games in the world and a full generation of people who are not afraid to get to grips with technology. While I wouldn't necessarily expect all gamers to understand exactly what the anagrams mean and how an SSD drive is faster than your average harddrive, I would expect the vast majority to be aware of the importance of the hard drive.

You'd be surprised, Only recently I worked with a friend I went to college with. We both did a IT degree and he wasn't really aware of an SSD.

So I'd be shocked if the average consumer knew. All most people look for is the size of a hard drive, never the speed of it.

CastorTroy

I expect the announcement to be along the lines of "So yeah, you've all already guessed why we're here. We'd like to announce the new Playstation is coming. So thanks everyone for coming and have a safe trip home"

shuffles03

tok9 wrote: »

So I'd be shocked if the average consumer knew. All most people look for is the size of a hard drive, never the speed of it.

I'm going to take one for the thread and have a stab at it.

Mortimer, hold my coat.

Good dog.

(Clears throat)

A hard drive....."To journey solidly in an extremely firm object, most commonly by brick".

shuffles03

I apologise. I found a bag of Chupa Chups in the cupboard and consumed nearly a dozen. I'm not myself.

MarkY91

RedXIV wrote: »

I'd be surprised if it was that high, we're at the stage now where we're getting close to 40 years of games in the world and a full generation of people who are not afraid to get to grips with technology. While I wouldn't necessarily expect all gamers to understand exactly what the anagrams mean and how an SSD drive is faster than your average harddrive, I would expect the vast majority to be aware of the importance of the hard drive.

i think the vast majority only know and care about what GB a HDD is

thebman

MarkY91 wrote: »

i think the vast majority only know and care about what GB a HDD is

Most people still struggle with the concept of disk space from my time in IT.

Having met sales people, they really don't know how to turn things on, even the younger sales people.

Some people just don't care.

Myrddin

aindriu80 wrote: »

They did some tests and there was almost zero performance gain between a 7200 rpm and a 5000rpm Hard disk on the PS3.

These tests would indicate otherwise - http://www.tomshardware.com/news/playstation-ps3-ssd-upgrade-loading,11811.html

shuffles03

A bit of nostalgia from the launch of the PS3. I for one hope to see more ads like this when the Playstation 4 comes around:


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkNPcUMffU

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psd8oVToS8k


Damn the general consumer to hell for not getting and understanding these pieces of theatrical art. That's what a generation of COD games does I suppose.

aindriu80

EnterNow wrote: »

These tests would indicate otherwise - http://www.tomshardware.com/news/playstation-ps3-ssd-upgrade-loading,11811.html

are you sure that is 7200 vs 5200 ? I was talking about HDD only. SSD is a lot quicker.

One thing is the game and the other is the O.S. Pressing the PS button on the controller is a slow affair and I wish they had the O.S on flash memory or something if SSD is too expensive.

Myrddin

aindriu80 wrote: »

are you sure that is 7200 vs 5200 ? I was talking about HDD only. SSD is a lot quicker.

My bad, I read your post wrong good sir

shuffles03

A good article comparing the proposed specs for Orbis and Durango:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-durango-vs-orbis


I have a question. Visually, the Uncharted and God Of War titles this gen were absolutely spectacular, the best I've ever seen. They pushed Sony's hardware to the limit and seeing as the PS3's tech is over 7 years old, how much better could they actually get on the new system? To me Uncharted 3 looks flawless. What can we expect from Uncharted 4? How can it actually look better?

I ask because I'm genuinely excited about Feb 20th.

aindriu80

shuffles03 wrote: »

A good article comparing the proposed specs for Orbis and Durango:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-durango-vs-orbis


I have a question. Visually, the Uncharted and God Of War titles this gen were absolutely spectacular, the best I've ever seen. They pushed Sony's hardware to the limit and seeing as the PS3's tech is over 7 years old, how much better could they actually get on the new system? To me Uncharted 3 looks flawless. What can we expect from Uncharted 4? How can it actually look better?

I ask because I'm genuinely excited about Feb 20th.

Agreed but the games can be way better. They can play better, behave better and act more intuitive. There are some things on the PC that don't exist on a console.

Thrill

Another rumour

PlayStation 4 'dual camera' bundle rumoured

Sony's rumoured PlayStation 4 will come bundled with a next-generation version of the PlayStation Eye camera.

VGLeaks refers to the peripheral as a "Dual Camera" and describes it as an "evolutionised" HD version of the EyeToy.

Using a pair of wide-angle cameras with 720p resolution, the so-called Dual Camera will allegedly feature advanced facial recognition technology and will be able to identify the user when they power up the console.

It will also feature a four-microphone array working at 48khz for improved video chat and be able to track head and hand movements with great accuracy.

http://www.digitalspy.ie/gaming/news/a457593/playstation-4-dual-camera-bundle-rumoured.html

aindriu80

Thrill wrote: »

Another rumour



http://www.digitalspy.ie/gaming/news/a457593/playstation-4-dual-camera-bundle-rumoured.html

its already posted on this thread

Varik

Actually like the idea of the EYE coming with the PS4, for the voice commands at least. While I'm not a fan of being forced to do use it, there are times where voice commands are a lot simpler than menus and the like.

There's limited inputs on a controller and they tend to require context sensitive controls which don't always work so adding voice controls in a limited fashion is a good idea.

MarkY91

would this new 4k resolution look better on a 1080p tv than 1080p resolution on the same tv? or will it make no difference?

dont think many people will be buying 4k tv's for many a year..

COYVB

A 1080p TV can't display 4K... so 4K on a 1080p TV would look pretty bad :P

Otacon

MarkY91 wrote: »

would this new 4k resolution look better on a 1080p tv than 1080p resolution on the same tv? or will it make no difference?

dont think many people will be buying 4k tv's for many a year..

COYVB wrote: »

A 1080p TV can't display 4K... so 4K on a 1080p TV would look pretty bad :P

Like your PS3, if your TV can only handle 720p, it outputs in 720p. The same would happen with 4K.

MarkY91

Otacon wrote: »

Like your PS3, if your TV can only handle 720p, it outputs in 720p. The same would happen with 4K.

but a quick google search and i saw that 4k tvs cost over 10 thousand euro...who are they expecting will make use of that?

longhalloween

MarkY91 wrote: »

but a quick google search and i saw that 4k tvs cost over 10 thousand euro...who are they expecting will make use of that?

Right now they cost big bucks. But in a few years they'll become more affordable.

Sony is probably just planning ahead.

COYVB

Otacon wrote: »

Like your PS3, if your TV can only handle 720p, it outputs in 720p. The same would happen with 4K.

I know that, but that's not what he asked. He asked what 4K would look like on a 1080p TV. Short answer is it would look like a blank screen

COYVB

MarkY91 wrote: »

but a quick google search and i saw that 4k tvs cost over 10 thousand euro...who are they expecting will make use of that?

That's what a big screen HDTV cost at the start of that technology too

IncognitoMan

Has anyone seen a 4k tv up close?

How impressed were you?

What are we 5 years away from them been common in every house?

COYVB

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Has anyone seen a 4k tv up close?

How impressed were you?

What are we 5 years away from them been common in every house?

Yes (I've also seen an 8K one up close)

Quite, but without the proper source material it's impossible to make a judgement.

Try 7-10 maybe - they'll be positioned as the only sensible choice to replace current gen TVs

longhalloween

COYVB wrote: »

That's what a big screen HDTV cost at the start of that technology too

I remember the sony store had a PS3 hooked up to one of those TV's that had the projector behind the screen.

They were about 2 foot wide.

shuffles03

It's beginning:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-11-littlebigplanet-dev-teases-a-new-game-ahead-of-sonys-playstation-4-event

Varik

longhalloween wrote: »

I remember the sony store had a PS3 hooked up to one of those TV's that had the projector behind the screen.

They were about 2 foot wide.

Got one of those the christmas before the PS3 (after for the US and JP) came out, it's 55" and still going.

MarkY91

so its like when HDTV came in. nobody could afford it until a good few years. id love to see a 4k tv up close and working. is there any in dublin on show?

COYVB

MarkY91 wrote: »

so its like when HDTV came in. nobody could afford it until a good few years. id love to see a 4k tv up close and working. is there any in dublin on show?

You should see plenty of popping up at bigger electronics stores them towards the end of the summer I'd say, definitely by October

aindriu80

Japan is going ahead with 4K TV (national TV) pretty soon..maybe this or next year. It has plans to go ahead with 8K T.V. I guess the 4K support is future proofing.

shuffles03

"Next Gen Will Most Likely Not Be Backwards Compatible' - EA

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-13-ea-next-gen-consoles-will-most-likely-not-be-backwards-compatible

To be expected I suppose. There's no way Sony would include the Cell in each PS4. It would cost too much. They took the Emotion Engine out of the PS3 shortly after launch.

phill106

Hopefully along with ps4 info they will announce firmware updates to ps3 allowing ps3 and ps4 to use the vita as a fancy controller

aindriu80

phill106 wrote: »

Hopefully along with ps4 info they will announce firmware updates to ps3 allowing ps3 and ps4 to use the vita as a fancy controller

Would it improve gameplay ? I don't think it would. Nice feature though !

phill106

aindriu80 wrote: »

Would it improve gameplay ? I don't think it would. Nice feature though !

wouldnt know till it happened would we!

Otacon

shuffles03 wrote: »

To be expected I suppose. There's no way Sony would include the Cell in each PS4. It would cost too much. They took the Emotion Engine out of the PS3 shortly after launch.

While I do not think it will be available at launch, they could possibly use Gaikai tech to allow you to play PS2 and PS3 games. You would probably need to re-purchase them or they could do a subscription service that would allow you unlimited access to that library - maybe an additional PS+ feature.

CastorTroy

Otacon wrote: »

While I do not think it will be available at launch, they could possibly using Gaikai tech to allow you to play PS2 and PS3 games. You would probably need to re-purchase them or they could do a subscription service that would allow you unlimited access to that library - maybe an additional PS+ feature.

I think if they were to allow you to play PS3 games by alternate methods, they should at least give you free access to any games purchased via PSN.

shuffles03

Otacon wrote: »

While I do not think it will be available at launch, they could possibly using Gaikai tech to allow you to play PS2 and PS3 games. You would probably need to re-purchase them or they could do a subscription service that would allow you unlimited access to that library - maybe an additional PS+ feature.

This would be awesome but would it kill the sale of any future PS3s? Sony like their 10 year life cycles so I'm not sure if they'd do that. It would be brilliant though.

Otacon

shuffles03 wrote: »

This would be awesome but would it kill the sale of any future PS3s? Sony like their 10 year life cycles so I'm not sure if they'd do that. It would be brilliant though.

That's why I don't think it will be available for a few years.

Beefy78

I'd guess we'll see a repeat of what we've seen with the PS3 with software BC for PS1, and maybe PS2 out of the box and then PS3 games start to get converted over a few years down the line.

aindriu80

phill106 wrote: »

wouldnt know till it happened would we!

The games on the PS3 don't allow PC style movement. In essence using a Vita on a PS3 would be a very expensive controller.

COYVB

Otacon wrote: »

While I do not think it will be available at launch, they could possibly use Gaikai tech to allow you to play PS2 and PS3 games.

That's precisely what they will be doing