Mansfield Town v Liverpool FC - the Romance of the Cup at 4 pm ESPN

retalivity

nice to see the mansfield manager not rising to the ESPN bait...

They wont let it lie...

The_Kew_Tour

RasTa wrote: »

When's the draw?

was 3.30 today. Pool got Oldham away.

United or Hammers get Fulham or Blackpool at home.

kfallon

Brilliant interview from Mansfield manager on ESPN

Nalz

Did John Barnes just say nobody accused Henry of cheating? Or did I hear it wrong?

bluefinger

seriously classy response from Mr Mansfield.

murpho999

John Barnes just said no one accused Henry of cheating when he handled against Ireland? Was he on a bender that week?

klose

rossie1977 wrote: »

liverpool were awful, completely outplayed for the last 60mins of that game, the most worrying thing is that liverpool were the team to get tired and mansfield were still going all out with 94 mins gone

next week isn't going to be pretty for rodgers

Ah cmon cup games against lower teams arent always champagne stuff and poor results happen, united needed a replay against conference exeter in 05 i think and arsenal got turfed out by league 2 bradford in the league cup this year.

The_Kew_Tour

murpho999 wrote: »

John Barnes just said no one accused Henry of cheating when he handled against Ireland? Was he on a bender that week?

:pac::pac:

budgemook

Looking at replay there, Suarez tried to move hand away and thought he was about to have whistle blown IMO

greendom

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Liverpool won. Why should they feel embarrassed?

In fairness its hard to raise your game for teams like this. They avoid replay and have easy(enough) next round.

Sure they can be happy to have qualified but there can't be too many satisfied with the level of the performance ?

Nalz

murpho999 wrote: »

John Barnes just said no one accused Henry of cheating when he handled against Ireland? Was he on a bender that week?

Glad someone else heard it. I tried rewinding but my state of the art UPC box is in a mood today. 1st world probs!

Barr

Tough result for Mansfield - they were unlucky.

monkey9

cambo2008 wrote: »

It was cheating but it was so obvious I would put the full blame on officials.

That's exactly what i was going to say. I'd be fuming with the officials more than Suarez. That was an obvious one to spot.

murpho999

rossie1977 wrote: »

liverpool were awful, completely outplayed for the last 60mins of that game, the most worrying thing is that liverpool were the team to get tired and mansfield were still going all out with 94 mins gone

next week isn't going to be pretty for rodgers

So you think LFC will win ugly next week. No problem with that!

The_Kew_Tour

greendom wrote: »

Sure they can be happy to have qualified but there can't be too many satisfied with the level of the performance ?

True, but they won thats main thing. They avoid replay and can concentrate on 4th round tie which they should win again.

Kess73

murpho999 wrote: »

John Barnes just said no one accused Henry of cheating when he handled against Ireland? Was he on a bender that week?

That story was nowhere near as big or as long lived elsewhere as it was in Ireland.

machiavellianme

Mansfield manager certainly talks sense. Surely he'll be number 1 choice to replace b-rod down the line :pac:

murpho999

Kess73 wrote: »

That story was nowhere near as big or as long lived elsewhere as it was in Ireland.

Not the full aftermath but it was still a big news story in the football world.

My in-laws family in Holland for example knew all about it and sent me texts etc.

donfers

Mansfield manager showing a lot more class than the same old anti-suarez mob on here

saying it's not cheating, instinctive, 99 out of 100 players would do the same, just cos it's him people will get into a frenzy, it's up to the officials to make the calls etc etc

pity that even though the manager of the team at the wrong end of the decision can be that dignified that "neutrals" on here can't show the same decency instead of frothing at the mouth every time Suarez breathes some air

oh and jon champion saying "that is the work of a cheat" is probably the most clearly partizan hate-filled and subjective pieces of commentary I have ever heard and there should be consequences for espn and him for that

The_Kew_Tour

Kess73 wrote: »

That story was nowhere near as big or as long lived elsewhere as it was in Ireland.

You be wrong. That story made main sports pages as far away as South America.

One of Oz best selling newspaper had Henry on front page.

Corholio

Kess73 wrote: »

That story was nowhere near as big or as long lived elsewhere as it was in Ireland.

Why would Barnes make that point so? Of course its going be bigger news in the country whom it affected, why would England be outraged?

Dcully

donfers wrote: »

Mansfield manager showing a lot more class than the same old anti-suarez mob on here

saying it's not cheating, instinctive, 99 out of 100 players would do the same, just cos it's him people will get into a frenzy, it's up to the officials to make the calls etc etc

pity that even though the manager of the team at the wrong end of the decision can be that dignified that "neutrals" on here can't show the same decency instead of frothing at the mouth every time Suarez breathes some air

oh and jon champion saying "that is the work of a cheat" is probably the most clearly partizan hate-filled and subjective pieces of commentary I have ever heard and there should be consequences for espn and him for that

Post of the week for me!

Kirby

Corholio wrote: »

Why would Barnes make that point so? Of course its going be bigger news in the country whom it affected, why would England be outraged?

It was huge news. It made the papers in virtually every country. The comparison is stupid and Barnes made it to deflect attention.

RasTa

Yeah people over here in Canada have asked me how much do I hate Henry.

Also are some Liverpool fans saying it wasn't a handball? lol

Kess73

murpho999 wrote: »

Not the full aftermath but but it was still a big news story in the football world.

My in-laws family in Holland for example knew all about it and sent me texts etc.

Yeah but it did not stick to Henry and see him turned into a hate figure for years to come (outside of Irish folk of course:)) for the most part.

You talk to someone from the UK nowadays about what Henry was like, and chances are it will be his goals or skill that get mentioned.

murpho999

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You be wrong. That story made main sports pages as far away as South America.

One of Oz best selling newspaper had Henry on front page.

Here's just one example from Oz.

Royal Legend

whippedcream wrote: »

Ah cmon cup games against lower teams arent always champagne stuff and poor results happen, united needed a replay against conference exeter in 05 i think and arsenal got turfed out by league 2 bradford in the league cup this year.

Sure didn't Utd struggle to beat some small north east club over the holiers :rolleyes:

And were lucky to get a draw against the 'ammers yesterday as well

decies

Well done Suarez , bring on the Mancs!!!

Turtyturd

RasTa wrote: »

Also are some Liverpool fans saying it wasn't a handball? lol

Are they?

Kess73

Corholio wrote: »

Why would Barnes make that point so? Of course its going be bigger news in the country whom it affected, why would England be outraged?

Well going by that logic, why would supporters of any club bar Mansfield be outraged by what happened today?

murpho999

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah but it did not stick to Henry and see him turned into a hate figure for years to come (outside of Irish folk of course:)) for the most part.

You talk to someone from the UK nowadays about what Henry was like, and chances are it will be his goals or skill that get mentioned.

Yes and rightly so.

He should be remembered for that as he was a great player.

Barnes was still wrong in what he said. I remember being headlines on Sky News the next day. It was definitely big news.

noodler

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You be wrong. That story made main sports pages as far away as South America.

One of Oz best selling newspaper had Henry on front page.

murpho999 wrote: »

Here's just one example from Oz.

I think you two are missing the point Kess made.

Livepool's routine win over Sunderland mid-week probably made the newspapers in alot of countries the next day - that does not mean they had the same song and dance for the next month tha we had here.

greendom

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah but it did not stick to Henry and see him turned into a hate figure for years to come (outside of Irish folk of course:)) for the most part.

You talk to someone from the UK nowadays about what Henry was like, and chances are it will be his goals or skill that get mentioned.

And rightly so

The_Kew_Tour

noodler wrote: »

I think you two are missing the point Kess made.

Livepool's routine win over Sunderland mid-week probably made the newspapers in alot of countries the next day - that does not mean they had the same song and dance for the next month tha we had here.

No I knew what he meant and yes it was a big story around the globe.

It was embarrassing though in lot of ways and I was there to make it worse.

murpho999

noodler wrote: »

I think you two are missing the point Kess made.

Livepool's routine win over Sunderland mid-week probably made the newspapers in alot of countries the next day - that does not mean they had the same song and dance for the next month tha we had here.

No: Barnes said that Henry was not accused of cheating. He was wrong and the story went around the world at the time.

It carried on in Ireland as would be expected.

noodler

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No I knew what he meant and yes it was a big story around the globe.

It was embarrassing though in lot of ways and I was there to make it worse.

So it is fair to say it was nowhere near as big a deal in other countries as it was here.

Chucky the tree

RasTa wrote: »

Also are some Liverpool fans saying it wasn't a handball? lol

All Liverpool fans are saying it because it wasn't handball. That should be obvious.

Morzadec

donfers wrote: »

oh and jon champion saying "that is the work of a cheat" is probably the most clearly partizan hate-filled and subjective pieces of commentary I have ever heard and there should be consequences for espn and him for that

BBC Sport live update wrote that he 'cheekily kisses his hand in front of the away fans' after the goal.

The implication here is clear and proves that the writer has either never watched Suarez play (as he celebrates like this for every goal) or is deliberately trying to whip up a frenzy ala John Champion and the rest of the media. It's getting tiresome at this stage.

I only caught the last 10 minutes but it looked like Mansfield were really unlucky to not get at least a replay. Fair play to them, and kudos to their manager for telling it like it is and not jumping on the bandwagon, despite ESPN's best efforts.

decies

Nice bird bit mouthy though!!

noodler

murpho999 wrote: »

No: Barnes said that Henry was not accused of cheating. He was wrong and the story went around the world at the time.

It carried on in Ireland as would be expected.

Kess said something quite specific that you disagreed with, namely that the incident was nowhere near as big internationally as it was here.

He was right.

Kess73

murpho999 wrote: »

Here's just one example from Oz.

Yes but it was still not the kind of huge story that keeps getting mentioned in lots of countries for years after it happened. My point is that it did not taint Henry long term, and it certainly did not have most people outside of Irish folk thinking "Cheat" years later when Henry's name gets mentioned.

When Henry came back to Arsenal for a spell it was not the kind of thing that the media mentioned or that commentators spoke of during games.

He cheated in the game against Ireland, but he did not become Henry the cheat in the eyes of the media or public whenever he played years later.

Basically the mud did not stick long term to any great degree is what I am saying.Imo of course.

Leiva

I don't think the magnificent Messi was ever remembered for this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSiIcTETUPc

Unearthly

Poor Suarez

The_Kew_Tour

noodler wrote: »

So it is fair to say it was nowhere near as big a deal in other countries as it was here.

eh? of course.

That's not the point though.

Not sure what your trying turn this into.

Kess73

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes and rightly so.

He should be remembered for that as he was a great player.

Barnes was still wrong in what he said. I remember being headlines on Sky News the next day. It was definitely big news.

I am not saying Barnes was right, but I am saying that the idea of Henry being a cheat just did not stick long term and as such it is probably easier to forget the headlines that came out just after that handball happened.

machiavellianme

decies wrote: »

Nice bird bit mouthy though!!

Woman involved in football club... Best stick her in front of the camera despite her having nothing new or interesting to say. Why not chat with the groundsman? At least he had some influence on that game.

murpho999

Kess73 wrote: »

Yes but it was still not the kind of huge story that keeps getting mentioned in lots of countries for years after it happened. My point is that it did not taint Henry long term, and it certainly did not have most people outside of Irish folk thinking "Cheat" years later when Henry's name gets mentioned.

When Henry came back to Arsenal for a spell it was not the kind of thing that the media mentioned or that commentators spoke of during games.

He cheated in the game against Ireland, but he did not become Henry the cheat in the eyes of the media or public whenever he played years later.

Basically the mud did not stick long term to any great degree is what I am saying.Imo of course.

Agreed, as it's normal to be forgotten in other countries.

However I still think that Barnes was wrong to say that Henry was not accused of cheating at the time.

So let's call this a draw!:)

Turtyturd

RasTa wrote: »

Also are some Liverpool fans saying it wasn't a handball? lol

I'll take your silence as confirmation you were talking bullsh*t......LOL.

noodler

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

eh? of course.

That's not the point though.

Not sure what your trying turn this into.

?

Kess said something, you disagreed with it, I agreed with it.

I am not turning into anything - chill out.

DDC1990

machiavellianme wrote: »

Woman involved in football club... Best stick her in front of the camera despite her having nothing new or interesting to say. Why not chat with the groundsman? At least he had some influence on that game.

They have a groundsman?