Continuity IRA threat

Winty

Who is Michael Kiely, from Corbally, Limerick the mouth of the CIRA, is he a politician or affiliated to any party?

Sounds like a fake name used by a coward

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dissidents-issue-chilling-threat-to-irish-in-the-british-army-3343751.html

intellectual dosser

The thing that actually struck me most when I read this article was

The lessons of Irish history teach us that as long as the British presence remains in Ireland, there will always be those who oppose it by whatever means necessary.

"The war is not over – it will only be over when every last British soldier is driven from our shores.

Who do these people think they represent? Have they gone house to house and asked what the people of our island want?

Winty

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Who do these people think they represent? Have they gone house to house and asked what the people of our island want?

Very very few Irish people support this silliness but I am keen to know more about the spokesman?

What happened to make him so hateful, did his father not love him?

hyperborean

In Full

DISSIDENT republicans have issued a chilling threat to Irish people serving in the British armed forces and warned that they are a "legitimate target" for the Continuity IRA.
The threat was made openly in Limerick city on behalf of the Continuity IRA yesterday and in front of gardai.
The warning to Irish men and women serving in the British military, which came at an annual Sean South commemoration, was issued on behalf of Continuity IRA prisoners in Portaoise prison.
The event was organised by Republican Sinn Fein (RSF) and took place at the republican plot at Mount Saint Lawrence cemetery in the city.
The threat comes less than a month after the Irish Independent revealed that gardai in Limerick had foiled a Continuity IRA plot to murder a British soldier on a visit home to the city over Christmas.
Michael Kiely, from Corbally, Limerick, read the Continuity IRA statement in front of 60 people at Sean South's graveside.
Mr Kiely said: "We have seen from recent years that in this city of Limerick that Irishmen are considering a career in the British army – the same British army that holds six of our counties.
"Whether they are motivated by financial reasons or a sense of adventurism, we take this opportunity to say that the moment you don a British uniform, you become a legitimate target for the IRA."
'Targets'
Mr Kiely also warned that police officers serving in the North are also "legitimate targets".
He added: "The lessons of Irish history teach us that as long as the British presence remains in Ireland, there will always be those who oppose it by whatever means necessary.
"The war is not over – it will only be over when every last British soldier is driven from our shores."
Officers kept a close watch on participants of the Republican Sinn Fein parade through Limerick before the threat was made at the cemetery.
They gathered initially at Bedford Row in the city at 2pm and were led by a piper and nine men in paramilitary uniform through the city centre.
Participants marched along Henry Street, Sarsfield Street, William Street, Mulgrave Street and on to the cemetery.
The event takes place each January and is closely monitored by gardai.
Yesterday's open threat comes after a British soldier – who is in his 20s and from Limerick – could not travel home to his family for Christmas after gardai learnt that the Continuity IRA intended to kill him.
Gardai also learnt of a prior threat against the same soldier last August.

He should have been arrested, even if he is a bit slow.

Winty

hyperborean wrote: »

In Full
He should have been arrested, even if he is a bit slow.

That's a good point, should the Guards not move on him, does Ireland have a law against inciting hatred

midlands paranormal researcher

if these so called soldiers of ireland want to do something for this country......stop BUYING arms and give the money to the people of ireland..... sorry meant to say "our shores"
how much is to buy AK47s in bulk now,1. arms dearler 2. shipping 3. vat

Procasinator

Winty wrote: »

That's a good point, should the Guards not move on him, does Ireland have a law against inciting hatred

He may be hiding behind the notion that it wasn't his words, but that he only read the statement on the behalf of incarcerated CIRA members.

Son_of_Belial

Winty wrote: »

Very very few Irish people support this silliness but I am keen to know more about the spokesman?

What happened to make him so hateful, did his father not love him?

Indeed - I don't think he was hugged enough as a child.

wilson10

Some criminal thug issues a death threat in Limerick, what's new?.

So why is this thread in the Politics forum.

Apart from the fact that our politicians don't seem to have the balls to take these vermin on in a serious way I wouldn't give them the recognition they seek to discuss them under a political banner.

Palmach

wilson10 wrote: »

Some criminal thug issues a death threat in Limerick, what's new?.

So why is this thread in the Politics forum.

Apart from the fact that our politicians don't seem to have the balls to take these vermin on in a serious way I wouldn't give them the recognition they seek to discuss them under a political banner.

What more do you suggest they do? Have you evidence that they are not using the full rigour of the law to prevent these people from carrying out terrorist acts?

Ash.J.Williams

Procasinator wrote: »

He may be hiding behind the notion that it wasn't his words, but that he only read the statement on the behalf of incarcerated CIRA members.

The PSNI hauled marion price back to jail for the same thing? Although she was a convicted IRA member released on licence at the time.

wilson10

Palmach wrote: »

What more do you suggest they do? Have you evidence that they are not using the full rigour of the law to prevent these people from carrying out terrorist acts?

Well for a start this Michael Kiely guy should locked up awaiting trial for incitement to murder, and if they are constrained within the rigours of the law then maybe the law needs changing.

Ash.J.Williams

wilson10 wrote: »

Well for a start this Michael Kiely guy should locked up awaiting trial for incitement to murder, and if they are constrained within the rigours of the law then maybe the law needs changing.

I would like this clarified. I would believe that repeating a death threat in public on behalf of the IRA, is in fact a death threat. Outside of legalities it is clearly a death threat.

In fact, if you repeat IRA threats loudly to IRA supporters then that is clearly incitement to hatred, is it not???

Procasinator

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The PSNI hauled marion price back to jail for the same thing? Although she was a convicted IRA member released on licence at the time.

I'm not that knowledgeable on the issue, but the fact she was on license from prison is the big difference here. She was put in jail for breaking parole conditions.

The charges were dismissed for the implied incident.

Palmach

wilson10 wrote: »

Well for a start this Michael Kiely guy should locked up awaiting trial for incitement to murder, and if they are constrained within the rigours of the law then maybe the law needs changing.

Nice attitude to freedom of speech. Let him talk. When his ilk are in the open we can see who is who. Furthermore having read his statement I am sure there is enough wiggle room for him to get away with beating any rap.

the_syco

From the article;

Participants marched along Henry Street, Sarsfield Street, William Street, Mulgrave Street and on to the cemetery.

I'd say anyone photographed there would find it difficult getting a visa to the States.

Winty

wilson10 wrote: »

So why is this thread in the Politics forum.

My OP was Who is Michael Kiely, from Corbally, Limerick the mouth of the CIRA, is he a politician or affiliated to any party?

Is he a politician hence the post in politics

Death and Taxes

Palmach wrote: »

Nice attitude to freedom of speech. Let him talk. When his ilk are in the open we can see who is who. Furthermore having read his statement I am sure there is enough wiggle room for him to get away with beating any rap.

There are rightly , limits to freedom of expression, nobody has the right to openly threaten the life or wellbeing of another. Freedom of expression is moderated by law in the interest of the common good, in the same way as a person calling openly for violence against immigrants would be arrested so should this man.

awec

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the_syco

awec wrote: »

The Gardaí need to nip this nonsense in the bud. Give them and the IDF the resources and let them tackle these gangsters.

Intern the "speaker" for max period of time (without charge) under the terrorism act each and every time may make them reconsider this.

starviewadams

Jesus how anybody in their right minds could support someone who spouts such vile nonsense is truly beyond me.Should definitely be at least hauled in by the Gardai and questioned at length over these threats.Disgraceful stuff.

hyperborean

awec wrote: »

The Gardaí need to nip this nonsense in the bud. Give them and the IDF the resources and let them tackle these gangsters.

That's a great idea, the IDF would sort them blaggards out quicksmart:pac:

Duzzer

WileyCoyote wrote: »

There are rightly , limits to freedom of expression, nobody has the right to openly threaten the life or wellbeing of another. Freedom of expression is moderated by law in the interest of the common good, in the same way as a person calling openly for violence against immigrants would be arrested so should this man.

Why do you always bring immigration into things?

oscarBravo

So death threats were issued by the IRA against PSNI members, at a commemoration of an IRA member who was killed while attacking an RUC barracks.

But apparently Seán South is a hero, while the dissidents are thugs.

I'm sure it all makes sense to someone.

sure joe

the_syco wrote: »

Intern the "speaker" for max period of time (without charge) under the terrorism act each and every time may make them reconsider this.

good idea, what they really need to spark off a recruitment drive

Duzzer

Don't forget RSF have an unbroken link to the 1918 dail and therefore feel they can legitimately declare war on British forces and those they believe to be aiding them.

SoulandForm

Republican Sinn Fein were invited to a commemoration of Col Gaddafi and refused because they felt it would to be controversial, forgetting that there brand of legitimist Militarist Republican has much less of a following in Ireland than that man who like him or hate gave his country the highest human development level in Africa and was boldly independent of both the Soviets and the US. They are space cadets; to be honest Im much less a fan of O'Bradaigh than I am of Adams.

However the point you raised could be equally applied to the Fenians and the United Irishman. Oscar do you want denigrate the whole of Ireland's struggle for national liberation?

oscarBravo wrote: »

So death threats were issued by the IRA against PSNI members, at a commemoration of an IRA member who was killed while attacking an RUC barracks.

But apparently Seán South is a hero, while the dissidents are thugs.

I'm sure it all makes sense to someone.

oscarBravo

Duzzer wrote: »

Don't forget RSF have an unbroken link to the 1918 dail and therefore feel they can legitimately declare war on British forces and those they believe to be aiding them.

Yeah, one election a century should be enough for anyone.

SoulandForm wrote: »

However the point you raised could be equally applied to the Fenians and the United Irishman.

Yup.

Oscar do you want denigrate the whole of Ireland's struggle for national liberation?

Goodness, no. Just the violent parts.

sure joe

oscarBravo wrote: »

Yeah, one election a century should be enough for anyone.

Yup. Goodness, no. Just the violent parts.

just about all of it. though you do know the british were the aggressors

SoulandForm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Yup. Goodness, no. Just the violent parts.

Does that include the war of Independence?

The limited Independence that the south gained- and please remember that British rule was much worse in the south than in what is now Northern Ireland- was gained by the gun.

Do you want the Monto back?

Duzzer

oscarBravo wrote: »

Yeah, one( all Ireland) election a century should be enough for anyone.

Yup. Goodness, no. Just the violent parts.

That's better.

oscarBravo

SoulandForm wrote: »

Does that include the war of Independence?

Of course.

The limited Independence that the south gained- and please remember that British rule was much worse in the south than in what is now Northern Ireland- was gained by the gun.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy. The fact that something was achieved through violence in no way proves that it could only have been achieved through violence.

Do you want the Monto back?

Now why would I want that?

HoggyRS

intellectual dosser wrote: »

The thing that actually struck me most when I read this article was



Who do these people think they represent? Have they gone house to house and asked what the people of our island want?

Did you read what he said? "There will always be those who oppose it by whatever means necessary". He's not saying everyone will but there will be people who oppose it such as RSF. They're well aware they are a minority.

Do you expect all political groups to only cater to what the majority want? Thats not a realistic prospect.

SoulandForm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Of course. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy. The fact that something was achieved through violence in no way proves that it could only have been achieved through violence. Now why would I want that?

WOW.

The fact that Britain continually denied mere Home Rule to Ireland against the wishes of its people seems to be missed on you. The Monto was a perfect symbol of what British rule was in southern Ireland- only removed when Dev came to power and started to do something about clearing the slums, etc in the teeth of a Roman Catholic Hierarchy drawn from the upper and upper middle class and screams of "Communist!".

kildarecommuter

Love the way all the muppets wearing military clothing pictured in the press are dressed in old British Army combat jackets!!

Death and Taxes

kildarecommuter wrote: »

Love the way all the muppets wearing military clothing pictured in the press are dressed in old British Army combat jackets!!

Its only a surprise they wern't wearing their Man Utd tops, the noobs.
These criminal gangs need to be dealt with, organized crime requires tougher state action than has happened so far.

SoulandForm

I would like to see Sinn Fein campaign for a ban on people from Northern Ireland joining the British Army.

Duzzer

kildarecommuter wrote: »

Love the way all the muppets wearing military clothing pictured in the press are dressed in old British Army combat jackets!!

How did you prove this?

Duzzer

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Its only a surprise they wern't wearing their Man Utd tops, the noobs.
These criminal gangs need to be dealt with, organized crime requires tougher state action than has happened so far.

Who are you saying are criminals?

Death and Taxes

Duzzer wrote: »

Who are you saying are criminals?

Thugs who dress up like terrorists and threaten to kill people who dont do as they say...RSF/CIRA/RIRA/UVF/UDA etc etc etc
They represent nothing but their own blood lust and personal hunger for pqwer.

pablomakaveli

SoulandForm wrote: »

I would like to see Sinn Fein campaign for a ban on people from Northern Ireland joining the British Army.

Why?

SoulandForm

Duzzer wrote: »

Who are you saying are criminals?

Technically membership of the CIRA is illegal.

Whether it should be is another question.

I dont think they have anything to offer- and they have the potential to lead decent patriotic young people who are not thinking to prison or even worse.

That said you also have to question why isnt joining a foreign army a crime in the Republic, particularly one that has done such horrible things in Ireland?

SoulandForm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Why?

Because it would be a very important step towards national freedom and would save Irish lives.

Because the British Army, not only its presence but the influence that serving in it exerted, has been very negative on the north.

pablomakaveli

SoulandForm wrote: »

Because it would be a very important step towards national freedom and would save Irish lives.

Because the British Army, not only its presence but the influence that serving in it exerted, has been very negative on the north.

What business is it of yours what people decide to do as their career?

Given that your effectively supporting making the CIRA a legal organization in your other post i shouldnt be surprised your spouting such nonsense.

Death and Taxes

SoulandForm wrote: »

Technically membership of the CIRA is illegal. Nothing "Technical" about it

Whether it should be is another question. Not really after all it is an organized criminal gang!


I dont think they have anything to offer- and they have the potential to lead decent patriotic young people who are not thinking to prison or even worse.
I fail to see how joining a criminal gang can be viewed as Patriotic

That said you also have to question why isnt joining a foreign army a crime in the Republic, particularly one that has done such horrible things in Ireland?

Any Irish citizen should be free to take up employment in any other state of the EU, and why not, the Irish Defence Forces are not recruiting.

SoulandForm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

What business is it of yours what people decide to do as their career?

Given that your effectively supporting making the CIRA a legal organization in your other post i shouldnt be surprised your spouting such nonsense.

Where did I give effective support to it becoming legal?

I dont care much either way. I have no love at all for the CIRA.

SoulandForm

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Any Irish citizen should be free to take up employment in any other state of the EU, and why not, the Irish Defence Forces are not recruiting.

The British Army has and continues to cause a lot more unjust suffering in this world than the CIRA.

Not least in Ireland- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Reaction_Force .

Fratton Fred

SoulandForm wrote: »

I would like to see Sinn Fein campaign for a ban on people from Northern Ireland joining the British Army.

Maybe they should campaign to stop Irish people joining the Irish defence force at the same time.

SoulandForm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Maybe they should campaign to stop Irish people joining the Irish defence force at the same time.

Why?

Duzzer

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Thugs who dress up like terrorists and threaten to kill people who dont do as they say...RSF/CIRA/RIRA/UVF/UDA etc etc etc
They represent nothing but their own blood lust and personal hunger for pqwer.

I thought you would have a certain amount of empathy for them considering you did some time yourself?

Death and Taxes

SoulandForm wrote: »

The British Army has and continues to cause a lot more unjust suffering in this world than the CIRA.

Not least in Ireland- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Reaction_Force .

Whatever about the past, it certainly "does not continue to"!
You live in the past if you want, the rest of us have moved on.