Manchester United vs Liverpool; SUN 13th Jan @ 13.30pm ** MOD NOTE POST #1 **

homerjay2005

Turtyturd wrote: »

What's worse than this post?...the fact someone else is stupid enough to agree.

are you honestly going to tell me that Liverpool have not exploited a weakness in the air and from set pieces over the past 5 years?

have a look back through the games. if you dont remember (and i do as i was at almost every one of them), ill refresh your mind for you. United concede more aerial and set piece goals to Liverpool, than any other team.

ill go through every liverpool goal in this time frame if you want me to?

Lovely Bloke

Turtyturd wrote: »

What's worse than this post?...the fact someone else is stupid enough to agree.

But anyway, take a look at Liverpool's goals against united over the past ten meetings or so, a lot of them have come from punts from defence.

That cannot be denied

DARK-KNIGHT

Slattsy wrote: »

I fancy Liverpool. I really do.
Rooney out is a big loss as he does a lot of the donkey work and makes things happen for RVP.
The midfield battle is crucial. I fancy Gerrard to run all over Carrick and Cleverly. He should be able to dominate them.
Young on Wisdom will be a big battle.

Suarez will cause damage, but whether he has to do it all on his own will depend on how much support he has and hopefully he doesnt get too frustrated if decisions dont go his way (cough Webb cough). I cant see Sturridge starting as he's not fit.
Sterling has ben quiet of late so hopefully he can up his game against Rafael.

I promised I wouldn't comment here for the sniping but don't start about Webb FFS he is a ref that's all a ref..

He doesn't hold love for united or hate for the pool..

Sorry but WTF I wouldn't mind if game is riddled with bad calls but wait til game is over before starting blaming the ref at least

SlickRic

if Utd win, many Liverpool fans will blame the ref.

if Liverpool win, many Utd fans will probably blame the fact that it's "our cup final".

there'll be many more excuses besides depending on what happens.

it's just the way this shít goes down.

Rekop dog

Pools record against the top 10 this season has been atrocious, doing very well against weaker opposition but doesnt get much tougher than this, nothing really to suggest they've that much reason for hope here.

3-1 for me

Luckycharms_74

Sugarlumps wrote: »

I love watching Suarez purely for his comic entertainment value and the odd great goal.

ORLY :rolleyes:

You must not watch a lot of soccer







Do you need any more examples ?

GavRedKing

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TheNinthGate wrote: »

Thanking does not equal agreement.

No, and I don't appreciate being called stupid for thanking it.

Anyway, I will go for a 4-2 United win. Loads of goals and loads of incidents hopefully.

DARK-KNIGHT

Mars bar thought he pulled the longest straw but infact he drew the short one good luck snickers

prettyboy81

Interesting game & one the neutrals will enjoy....I reckon a 3-3 thriller! I am actually backing 2 away wins LFC & MCFC 10/1 with PaddyPower

Melion

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Mars bar thought he pulled the longest straw but infact he drew the short one good luck snickers

She

DARK-KNIGHT

Melion wrote: »

She

I know that!!! WUM;) waves at snickers!!!

happyoutscan

Will be close but I've a feeling Liverpool will win.

missingtime

What I love about these threads is the fans trying to reverse jinx themselves

Gbear

I've a suspicion that watching this thread unfold in all it's glory will be more entertaining than the match.

veXual

Is it fair to say that both teams fancy their talisman against the opposition defence i.e. Suarez & Van Persie. Will it just boil down to which of the two form players in the league have a better game?

For the neutral its always an extremely entertaining game.

Cantona's Collars

TheNinthGate wrote: »

But anyway, take a look at Liverpool's goals against united over the past ten meetings or so, a lot of them have come from punts from defence.

That cannot be denied

+1

Even their recent 3-0 win over Sunderland came from direct play from deep or the defence.There was no intricate passing to cut the opposition open.

Kinda puts the myth of Rogers tiki-taka style to bed.

Our weakness will be between Evans & Evra.Evans isn't the best in the air & Evra has a habit of leaving gaps either behind him or between himself & the centre halves which I'm sure Liverpool will try to exploit.A few well aimed long balls & you could have 2 defenders taken out of the game.

smileyj1987

With this game form goes out the window like all other big fixtures because all 22 players should be up for it . I honestly don't know if it will be a goal fest but it has alot of hall marks that indicate it could be one .
Liverpool don't seem to like defending this season there have been alot of errors by our players that have cost us goals and lost us games . We really need to be on top form to win but like every game you always have a chance of winning no matter how slim the odds are .
I can see us getting goals if we can get players like Sterling , Suarez and Gerrard into one on ones with the United defence . So I think Liverpool really need to get hold of the ball and make United run around after it to tire them out and then go for the kill . But we do need everybodies head in the game for this too work .

5starpool

Utd score more set pieces than Liverpool.

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013

R Team Open Play Counter Attack Set Piece Penalty Own Goal
1 Manchester United 32 0 17 2 3
2 Swansea 27 2 2 0 0
3 Everton 25 0 7 1 2
4 Arsenal 25 4 5 3 3
5 Tottenham 25 4 7 0 3
6 Chelsea 23 3 8 5 0
7 Liverpool 22 0 8 1 3
8 Manchester City 22 3 11 4 1
9 Newcastle United 20 1 3 2 1
10 West Bromwich Albion 18 2 5 2 2
11 Fulham 18 1 7 4 2
12 Southampton 16 1 6 2 2
13 West Ham 15 0 5 3 1
14 Wigan 13 2 6 1 0
15 Norwich 12 0 12 0 0
16 Reading 12 0 8 2 1
17 Queens Park Rangers 11 0 5 0 1
18 Aston Villa 11 2 3 1 0
19 Stoke 9 0 10 1 1
20 Sunderland 9 2 9 0 1

yesno1234

zerks wrote: »

+1

Even their recent 3-0 win over Sunderland came from direct play from deep or the defence.There was no intricate passing to cut the opposition open.

Kinda puts the myth of Rogers tiki-taka style to bed.

You're wrong there. To try and counteract the tika-taka style Sunderland tried to press us higher up the pitch, leaving space open in behind which was exploited.

Lovely Bloke

5starpool wrote: »

Utd score more set pieces than Liverpool.

Point?

setpiece does not equal longball.

million thanks for you though, from the rank and file.

SlickRic

zerks wrote: »

Kinda puts the myth of Rogers tiki-taka style to bed.

well, not really.

the fact a few direct balls caught the opposition on the hop doesn't mean we're not trying to play football on the deck 90% of the time.

but sure, you knew that

Jax Teller

Fancy 2-1 to United with Gerrard scoring first . 100/1 had to throw a 5er on it .

Lovely Bloke

SlickRic wrote: »

well, not really.

the fact a few direct balls caught the opposition on the hop doesn't mean we're not trying to play football on the deck 90% of the time.

but sure, you knew that

yeah but, Liverpool don't really score many goals during that 90% of possession based football, do they?

How many games this season have Liverpool won on the possession stats, but not won on the stat that matters?

5starpool

TheNinthGate wrote: »

Point?

setpiece does not equal longball.

million thanks for you though, from the rank and file.

My point is that that particular poster cries foul whenever Liverpool score a set piece and says that utd rarely score them, so his perception may be a little tainted.

You know all that though.

SlickRic

TheNinthGate wrote: »

yeah but, Liverpool don't really score many goals during that 90% of possession based football, do they?

no, not enough.

did i argue that?

How many games this season have Liverpool won on the possession stats, but not won on the stat that matters?

lots.

obviously, hence we're fúcking 8th.

Lovely Bloke

5starpool wrote: »

My point is that that particular poster cries foul whenever Liverpool score a set piece and says that utd rarely score them, so his perception may be a little tainted.

You know all that though.

Nope, he cried foul when Liverpool score direct longball goals.

Not that he should, a goal is a goal after all.

However it's scored. Longball, handball, whatever. As you know.

s_carnage

5starpool wrote: »

My point is that that particular poster cries foul whenever Liverpool score a set piece and says that utd rarely score them, so his perception may be a little tainted.

You know all that though.

This season has to be way above what it was at the same time the last two seasons say. Its really down to RVP & Rooney putting in some peaches of balls into the box from corners and also the same two are scoring from free kicks which we weren't doing enough of in previous seasons. I'd say last year we'd be a good bit further down that list.

Really surprised we haven't scored a goal on the counter. It used to be one of the areas we were most dangerous in.

Edit: Actually just checked and we have scored 6 more this season from set pieces than the whole of 09/10 & 10/11 and just one behind last seasons total.

5starpool

TheNinthGate wrote: »

Nope, he cried foul when Liverpool score direct longball goals.

Not that he should, a goal is a goal after all.

However it's scored. Longball, handball, whatever. As you know.

Either way, if utd are susceptible to long balls, I hope we pepper them with long ball and score a few goals.

Cantona's Collars

yesno1234 wrote: »

You're wrong there. To try and counteract the tika-taka style Sunderland tried to press us higher up the pitch, leaving space open in behind which was exploited.

Yes but the goals did come from long balls,you can't argue with that.

Melion

This thread is a disaster already, whodathunkit

Cantona's Collars

5starpool wrote: »

My point is that that particular poster cries foul whenever Liverpool score a set piece and says that utd rarely score them, so his perception may be a little tainted.

You know all that though.

Did I mention set pieces? No.

When did I cry foul of Liverpool scoring from set pieces (unless it's by cheating;) )

The main gripe I have is United seemingly incapable of defending against a high ball lumped upfield-That's basic defending.
Liverpool have benefited greatly from this in matches against us in the last few seasons.

Lovely Bloke

zerks wrote: »

Yes but the goals did come from long balls,you can't argue with that.

Is there a difference between a longball and a hollywood pass

homerjay2005

5starpool wrote: »

Utd score more set pieces than Liverpool.

surprise surprise, United also score more goals than anybody else.

do you have a long ball/hoof ball table there while you are at it?

three of the four goals that liverpool scored against us last year were from the aerial/hoofball route, one of them from a goal kick, one of them from a corner and one of them from a free kick in the center circle that had snow on it when it came down.

yesno1234

zerks wrote: »

Yes but the goals did come from long balls,you can't argue with that.

You said the tika taka style is a myth, how is this reply relevant. It makes no difference whether the goals came after 200 passes and 4 minutes of possession or one long ball in behind, it's because of the style that Sunderland pressed us high up the pitch to try cut off suply, that left space in behind, which with intelligent running off the ball, is exploitable.

ThunbergsAreGo

zerks wrote: »

Yes but the goals did come from long balls,you can't argue with that.

Like Van Persies vs West Ham?

Long ball and long pass, as in the above and Suarez Gerrard vs Sunderland are very different things

Lovely Bloke

naughtb4 wrote: »

Like Van Persies vs West Ham?

Exactly like that one. Well done.

homerjay2005

i honestly cant believe that liverpool fans deny that over the past five years, they have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route.

its not even up for debate, its simple fact.

5starpool

TheNinthGate wrote: »

Nope, he cried foul when Liverpool score direct longball goals.

Not that he should, a goal is a goal after all.

However it's scored. Longball, handball, whatever. As you know.

Proof below he counts set pieces in his hoofball stats.

zerks wrote: »

Did I mention set pieces? No.

When did I cry foul of Liverpool scoring from set pieces (unless it's by cheating;) )

The main gripe I have is United seemingly incapable of defending against a high ball lumped upfield-That's basic defending.
Liverpool have benefited greatly from this in matches against us in the last few seasons.

Not talking about you. See below.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

surprise surprise, United also score more goals than anybody else.

do you have a long ball/hoof ball table there while you are at it?

three of the four goals that liverpool scored against us last year were from the aerial/hoofball route, one of them from a goal kick, one of them from a corner and one of them from a free kick in the center circle that had snow on it when it came down.

There we go. Corner being counted as a hoofball goal. You called the goal Suarez scored against Newcastle a hoofball goal. You are not qualified to judge things in that light.

mitosis

A draw, containing a penalty and an early exit through injury from the game for van Persie.

yesno1234

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i honestly cant believe that liverpool fans deny that over the past five years, they have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route.

its not even up for debate, its simple fact.

I honestly cant believe that United fans think that it's relevant that Liverpool have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route over the past 5 years.

ThunbergsAreGo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i honestly cant believe that liverpool fans deny that over the past five years, they have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route.

its not even up for debate, its simple fact.

Yes i remember in the 1-4 2/3 or the goals came from direct balls, exploiting weaknesses Vidics slow turning speed, evras lack of hight.

I cant remember most of the goals tbh, i think looking back over the fixture alot of goals are scored from set pieces from both sides (O'Shea, Ferdinand, Carra ) or from direct balls (through mistakes as seen above) as it is generally quite a tight game.

I remember going to a Liverpool United game when David James was at his computer playing best, three set pieces three goals : Liverpool 1 Manchester United 3

Cantona's Collars

TheNinthGate wrote: »

Is there a difference between a longball and a hollywood pass

You must remember that Gerard NEVER plays a long ball.........they are called Hollywood passes.

What I meant in my posts was the fact Liverpool are more of a threat when they play a more direct game.Another poster also pointed that out,they could play the ball around all day & get beaten 1-0.I've seen the aftermath of matches where this happened & the cries of some posters to get Rogers out.

As I said before,United are weak at defending against this,I've just seen examples on SSN as they preview the game.One example was Torres running onto a long ball & scoring.This has happened far too often for my liking-I hope Liverpool decide to play the possesion game on Sunday & United win.

mitosis

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i honestly cant believe that liverpool fans deny that over the past five years, they have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route.

its not even up for debate, its simple fact.

It's legitimate to exploit a weakness, isn't it? If the above is true then Liverpool must have identified a defensive frailty and successfully exposed it.

homerjay2005

yesno1234 wrote: »

I honestly cant believe that United fans think that it's relevant that Liverpool have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route over the past 5 years.

of course its relevant when it keeps happening. If united can defend long balls/aerial ball, we have a huge chance of winning the game normally.

we have a weakness this season from crosses/high ball, its f*cking as clear as day and Liverpool are the one team who have been making us look poor at defending these over the past 5 years, even when our defence was stronger. it can happen again Sunday and this is why its important, as liverpool are the masters at this type of football and fair play to them.

from a United point of view, its a huge concern and really relevent.

ThunbergsAreGo

zerks wrote: »

As I said before,United are weak at defending against this,I've just seen examples on SSN as they preview the game.One example was Torres running onto a long ball & scoring.This has happened far too often for my liking-I hope Liverpool decide to play the possesion game on Sunday & United win.

Torres is better at a direct game to be honest as it enhances his strengths and exposed Vidics lack of pace

Andersonisgod

I wonder if Ferguson will spare Vidic a potentially awkward encounter trying to mark Suarez?

Cantona's Collars

naughtb4 wrote: »

Torres is better at a direct game to be honest as it enhances his strengths and exposed Vidics lack of pace

Not any more:pac:

gimmick

So Liverpool should look at other routes to score goals rather than exploit the weakness in the ManU defences?