Manchester United vs Liverpool; SUN 13th Jan @ 13.30pm MOD NOTE POST #1

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 4:24pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

of course its relevant when it keeps happening. If united can defend long balls/aerial ball, we have a huge chance of winning the game normally.

we have a weakness this season from crosses/high ball, its f*cking as clear as day and Liverpool are the one team who have been making us look poor at defending these over the past 5 years, even when our defence was stronger. it can happen again Sunday and this is why its important, as liverpool are the masters at this type of football and fair play to them.

from a United point of view, its a huge concern and really relevent.

I agree and feel the same about Manchester United being at their best on the counter attack, something which we have a weakness in defending.

If Liverpool can defend against Manchester Uniteds quick breaks they greatly enhance their chances of winning the match

ITT-Pat · 11-01-2013 4:25pm

yesno1234 wrote: »

I honestly cant believe that United fans think that it's relevant that Liverpool have scored alot of goals against United through an aerial route over the past 5 years.

Why not? The original point made was that if Liverpool put long balls into the box, like they have tended to do in this fixture, they could cause United problems:

homerjay2005 wrote: »

not really on both accounts.

United are extremely vulnerable in the air and i think Liverpools long ball style from the back is well suited to exploit this, as they have done practically in every game over the past 5 years between the sides.

if Liverpool ping long balls into the box as they always tend to do in these games, they can win it.

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 4:25pm

zerks wrote: »

Not any more:pac:

In fairness he still is better, hes just not very good at it now as opposed to chocking in a passing game

Cantona's Collars · 11-01-2013 4:26pm

Rumour has it that Liverpool are bringing back Kuyt on loan just for this game.:pac:

homerjay2005 · 11-01-2013 4:26pm

mitosis wrote: »

It's legitimate to exploit a weakness, isn't it? If the above is true then Liverpool must have identified a defensive frailty and successfully exposed it.

exactly and this is why United fans are concerned. West Ham last week who are a similar team to Liverpool in terms of ability caused us huge problems with diagonal ball into the box and were seconds away from beating us. Same goes for Southampton.

Chucky the tree · 11-01-2013 4:28pm

ITT-Pat wrote: »

Why not? The original point made was that if Liverpool put long balls into the box, like they have tended to do in this fixture, they could cause United problems:

The original point is still wrong. We rarely pinged long balls into the box.

yesno1234 · 11-01-2013 4:32pm

ITT-Pat wrote: »

Why not? The original point made was that if Liverpool put long balls into the box, like they have tended to do in this fixture, they could cause United problems:

Because it was with entirely different managers, with a hugely different system in place and most importantly different players. Suarez is the only one of the front three, barring the unlikely Sturridge starting, who would have a chance in the air against the United the defence, even if they are weak in the air.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The original point is still wrong. We rarely pinged long balls into the box.

Also this was the original point not that Liverpool could exploit the United aerial frailty.

Lovely Bloke · 11-01-2013 4:34pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The original point is still wrong. We rarely pinged long balls into the box.

But against United, when you do, you score.

When Joe Allen faffs about with it in the midfield, you don't score.

Chucky the tree · 11-01-2013 4:36pm

TheNinthGate wrote: »

But against United, when you do, you score.

When Joe Allen faffs about with it in the midfield, you don't score.

When was the last time we scored against United with a long ball into the box?

yesno1234 · 11-01-2013 4:37pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

exactly and this is why United fans are concerned. West Ham last week who are a similar team to Liverpool in terms of ability caused us huge problems with diagonal ball into the box and were seconds away from beating us. Same goes for Southampton.

If this isn't seen as trolling I don't know what is.

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 4:40pm

But Manchester United play more long balls than Liverpool http://www.eplindex.com/23427/set-plays-corners-long-balls-newcastle-premier-league.html

Also interesting to note the gap between Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Man City and Wigan to the rest of the league

Lovely Bloke · 11-01-2013 4:46pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

But Manchester United play more long balls than Liverpool http://www.eplindex.com/23427/set-plays-corners-long-balls-newcastle-premier-league.html

Again, this is irrelevent.

The point being made is that when Liverpool play longball, at which they are quite adept, against Man United, they are more likely to score than if they bounce the ball around the midfield for 65% of the match.

I don't know why Liverpool fans are getting so het up about that fact.

homerjay2005 · 11-01-2013 4:47pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

When was the last time we scored against United with a long ball into the box?

as already stated, of the 4 goals you scored last 3 games, one came from Reina, one an Adam free kick at half way and one from a well driven corner. so of the last 3 games you have played, 75% of the goals have been from aerial route, 50% of them from long ball.

yesno1234 wrote: »

If this isn't seen as trolling I don't know what is.

eh??? did you not see the game last week? West Ham, who have four points less than Liverpool with a game in hand, caused us huge problems. Southampton also scored two headers like this...we were lucky to get something out of both games. Reading also scored 3 times from this route, Norwich also..so its a real concern.

i dont see why Liverpool fans are getting so defensive, this is more about united than anything else and our very very limited ability to defend basic ball.

maybe the liverpool fans should watch a quick summary of the goals we have conceded this season, then watch the last 10 games we have played against Liverpool and you will see why we are worried.

if i was brendan rodgers, id be setting the team up to ping diagonal balls into the box as its worked really really well for alot of teams this season.

It almost work for Allardyce last weekend, he knew where to get at United and it caused huge problems.

smileyj1987 · 11-01-2013 4:49pm

Heres a Selection of goals we have scored against united over the last few years . They include a mixture of long balls , free kicks and some slick passing .

Gerrard PL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lIrExhDQdE

Suarez PL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LxWJxUvAbI

Agger + Kuyt FA Cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wsUyw1Unzw

Gerrard PL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjEmusMIwAg

Kuyt PL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPkgvM0e0nA

Chucky the tree · 11-01-2013 4:50pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

as already stated, of the 4 goals you scored last 3 games, one came from Reina, one an Adam free kick at half way and one from a well driven corner. so of the last 3 games you have played, 75% of the goals have been from aerial route, 50% of them from long ball.

Kuyts goal in the FA cup wasn't a long ball into the box. Didn't realise corners now constitute a long ball into the box.

yesno1234 · 11-01-2013 4:51pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

eh??? did you not see the game last week? West Ham, who have four points less than Liverpool with a game in hand, caused us huge problems. Southampton also scored two headers like this...we were lucky to get something out of both games. Reading also scored 3 times from this route, Norwich also..so its a real concern.

i dont see why Liverpool fans are getting so defensive, this is more about united than anything else and our very very limited ability to defend basic ball.

maybe the liverpool fans should watch a quick summary of the goals we have conceded this season, then watch the last 10 games we have played against Liverpool and you will see why we are worried.

if i was brendan rodgers, id be setting the team up to ping diagonal balls into the box as its worked really really well for alot of teams this season.

It almost work for Allardyce last weekend, he knew where to get at United and it caused huge problems.

So on one match they both have the same ability as Liverpool:pac: So two teams that are just promoted have the same ability as Liverpool who have not finished below 8th position in the premier league in 50 years.

Once again so you expect Downing, Sterling and Suarez to win a lot of aerial ball against the United defence?

Red Crow · 11-01-2013 4:51pm

gimmick wrote: »

So Liverpool should look at other routes to score goals rather than exploit the weakness in the ManU defences?

Who are ManU?

Is this Pro Evo 3 again? Bring me Gills, Vernon, Neil Lemon. Merseyside Reds

Sorry but saying 'ManU' is extremely irritating.

kingshankly · 11-01-2013 4:52pm

Paddy power doing a special offering utd at 6/4 this is incredible value

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 4:52pm

TheNinthGate wrote: »

Again, this is irrelevent.

The point being made is that when Liverpool play longball, at which they are quite adept, against Man United, they are more likely to score than if they bounce the ball around the midfield for 65% of the match.

I don't know why Liverpool fans are getting so het up about that fact.

To be honest i don't think its an exclusivly Liverpool thing, possession is overrated, Arsenal have the same critiscm placed on them

Indeed Uniteds own team with Ronaldo, Rooney Tevez was the best United team iv seen and were very direct. Germany 2010 are another.

I think limiting to Liverpool is a bit ridiculous

GavRedKing · 11-01-2013 4:53pm

kingshankly wrote: »

Paddy power doing a special offering utd at 6/4 this is incredible value

LUMP!!

SlickRic · 11-01-2013 4:53pm

is direct football an horrendous thing if it works?

if it works against United, do a bit more of it.

whatever works.

5starpool · 11-01-2013 4:53pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Who are ManU?

Is this Pro Evo 3 again? Bring me Gills, Vernon, Neil Lemon. Merseyside Reds

Sorry but saying 'ManU' is extremely irritating.

Noted. Must used ManU more often in future.

Red Crow · 11-01-2013 4:54pm

Also for the record I think Suarez will destroy Vidic if he plays, Vidic is just back from injury and is playing at a much slower pace. Evans and Rio please.

PhlegmyMoses · 11-01-2013 4:54pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Who are ManU?

Is this Pro Evo 3 again? Bring me Gills, Vernon, Neil Lemon. Merseyside Reds

Sorry but saying 'ManU' is extremely irritating.

Ruud Von Mistleroum.
Edwin Farzel Haar.

Blatter · 11-01-2013 4:54pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

as already stated, of the 4 goals you scored last 3 games, one came from Reina, one an Adam free kick at half way and one from a well driven corner. so of the last 3 games you have played, 75% of the goals have been from aerial route, 50% of them from long ball.

eh??? did you not see the game last week? West Ham, who have four points less than Liverpool with a game in hand, caused us huge problems. Southampton also scored two headers like this...we were lucky to get something out of both games. Reading also scored 3 times from this route, Norwich also..so its a real concern.

i dont see why Liverpool fans are getting so defensive, this is more about united than anything else and our very very limited ability to defend basic ball.

maybe the liverpool fans should watch a quick summary of the goals we have conceded this season, then watch the last 10 games we have played against Liverpool and you will see why we are worried.

if i was brendan rodgers, id be setting the team up to ping diagonal balls into the box as its worked really really well for alot of teams this season.

It almost work for Allardyce last weekend, he knew where to get at United and it caused huge problems.

I don't think Liverpool have the players for it on Sunday though. The front three will more than likely be three of Suarez, Sterling, Downing and Sturridge. None are known for their aerial ability. Even their midfielders, Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, would not worry me in the air. Agger and Skrtel will be a worry from free kicks and corners alright, but in general play I don't think we'll have to worry about the long ball. It would be pointless as they'd be giving the ball straight back to us, they don't have Carroll this time.

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 4:55pm

kingshankly wrote: »

Paddy power doing a special offering utd at 6/4 this is incredible value

Great price, cant seem to get it though

PhlegmyMoses · 11-01-2013 4:55pm

SlickRic wrote: »

is direct football an horrendous thing if it works?

if it works against United, do a bit more of it.

whatever works.

United play a fairly direct game. Not long ball but there isn't much faffing around. No shame in that.

5starpool · 11-01-2013 4:56pm

kingshankly wrote: »

Paddy power doing a special offering utd at 6/4 this is incredible value

Link? I can't find that special.

gimmick · 11-01-2013 4:57pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Who are ManU?

ManU or Man Utd are general abbreviations accepted for the football team that is Manchester United. I would have said Manyoo, but that would only be seen as trolling.

Lovely Bloke · 11-01-2013 5:00pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Who are ManU?

Do you write to complain to Sky every time they show United

Nuri Sahin · 11-01-2013 5:04pm

That special will be up for a limited amount of time and only a limited amount can be bet on it I imagine. Been the case in the past on numerous occasions.

homerjay2005 · 11-01-2013 5:05pm

smileyj1987 wrote: »

They include a mixture of long balls , free kicks and some slick passing .

where? not one goal came from decent slick passing. everything was basic basic defending which United failed to do.

the only decent goal from a United point of view, was Gerrads goal in September, but even at that Ferdinand should have cleared the initial ball into the box.

Nuri Sahin · 11-01-2013 5:06pm

gimmick wrote: »

ManU or Man Utd are general abbreviations accepted for the football team that is Manchester United. I would have said Manyoo, but that would only be seen as trolling.

.. and get called an ABU in the process :pac:

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United will win 3-1 I reckon.

11-01-2013 5:07pm

I'd be seriously skeptical of Liverpool keeping a cleansheet against ManU.

Hoping Sturridge comes on for the last 30 mins and that Liverpool are still in the game at that stage. Himself and Suarez together could stretch their defense in the latter stages.

I'd be hopeful Suarez can score against the worst defense in the top half of the league.

The other end of the pitch is a different story..

ThunbergsAreGo · 11-01-2013 5:10pm

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

.. and get called an ABU in the process :pac:

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United will win 3-1 I reckon.

Yeah hate to say it but an see it being pretty comfortable

Yakult · 11-01-2013 5:13pm

If Liverpool are going to beat ManU, then Suarez will be the man to do it. He will be problematic for that ManU defense, hopefully scores and gets me some money (and we win)

Slattsy · 11-01-2013 5:19pm

The ManU defence is dogdy, we need to get at them.
ManU rely on the brilliance of RVP, as we do with Suarez. Keeping him on a tight leash will decide the game. Not many goals in the ManU midfield really. ManU may get a goal from a set-piece as the ManU defenders are decent at popping up with a goal.
I still believe we can beat ManU, regadless of ManU being at home.

Our year.

11-01-2013 5:21pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

But Manchester United play more long balls than Liverpool http://www.eplindex.com/23427/set-plays-corners-long-balls-newcastle-premier-league.html

Also interesting to note the gap between Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Man City and Wigan to the rest of the league

Note the accuracy stat. Long passes do not = hoofball.

Newcastle, statistically the most hoofed ball team in the league, Feeding Ba and Cisse directly no doubt.

PhlegmyMoses · 11-01-2013 5:22pm

Slattsy wrote: »

The ManU defence is dogdy, we need to get at them.
ManU rely on the brilliance of RVP, as we do with Suarez. Keeping him on a tight leash will decide the game. Not many goals in the ManU midfield really. ManU may get a goal from a set-piece as the ManU defenders are decent at popping up with a goal.
I still believe we can beat ManU, regadless of ManU being at home.

Our year.

United are not as reliant on Robin, lol, as Liverpool are on Suarez. he is our focal point but we have plenty of others like Rooney, Hernandez, Kagawa, Welbeck, Nani etc who can pop up with a goal.

Owen_S · 11-01-2013 5:27pm

Manchester United's 'dodgy' defence has conceded two more goals than Liverpool's defence in the league this season, but Man Utd have scored 20 more goals this season...

PhlegmyMoses · 11-01-2013 5:29pm

Owen_S wrote: »

Manchester United's 'dodgy' defence has conceded two more goals than Liverpool's defence in the league this season, but Man Utd have scored 20 more goals this season...

TBF, Liverpool are mid-table, United are top. It's fair to suggest that United have a relatively dodgy defence.

Red Crow · 11-01-2013 5:30pm

ManU 4
Liverpool 0

Washington Irving · 11-01-2013 5:31pm

Owen_S wrote: »

Manchester United's 'dodgy' defence has conceded two more goals than Liverpool's defence in the league this season, but Man Utd have scored 20 more goals this season...

Nobody is claiming Liverpool are better defensively than ManU, just that ManU's defense is susceptible to long/aerial balls and is poor for a team at the top of the league.

jimmymal · 11-01-2013 5:36pm

henderson and suarez to score. liverpool win 2-0. lucas man of match, completely stopping any feed to van persie apart from the odd hoofball, which of course we know hes very good at taking advantage of.

ShooterSF · 11-01-2013 5:37pm

Slattsy wrote: »

The ManU defence is dogdy, we need to get at them.
ManU rely on the brilliance of RVP, as we do with Suarez. Keeping him on a tight leash will decide the game. Not many goals in the ManU midfield really. ManU may get a goal from a set-piece as the ManU defenders are decent at popping up with a goal.
I still believe we can beat ManU, regadless of ManU being at home.

Our year.

As a United fan I'd like to think if my team were ever in the position in the league Liverpool find themselves I'd be trying to forget the year. This is why some United fans claim it's Liverpool's "cup final" btw when a fan can post "Our year" in a year where the best the can achieve is to beat United. (Of course not all fans of any team are the same)

Thecon21 · 11-01-2013 5:38pm

Hoping United win by 3 or more goals comfortably. No messing around, no excuses or controversy. (Will take some for entertainment value tho

)

Just to totally outclass and demolish Liverpool would be delightful.

kingshankly · 11-01-2013 5:39pm

5starpool wrote: »

Link? I can't find that special.

It's in the shops January sale special

yesno1234 · 11-01-2013 5:40pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

As a United fan I'd like to think if my team were ever in the position in the league Liverpool find themselves I'd be trying to forget the year. This is why some United fans claim it's Liverpool's "cup final" btw when a fan can post "Our year" in a year where the best the can achieve is to beat United. (Of course not all fans of any team are the same)

LOL, think you missed the point there. The "our year" comment is a pisstake.

yesno1234 · 11-01-2013 5:41pm

kingshankly wrote: »

It's in the shops January sale special

What's the max bet do you know?

11-01-2013 5:47pm

Owen_S wrote: »

Manchester United's 'dodgy' defence has conceded two more goals than Liverpool's defence in the league this season, but Man Utd have scored 20 more goals this season...

Liverpool are 8th and ManU are top, 21 points ahead. Hence why people are questioning Liverpool having a better (if only slighty) defence.

It's also one of Liverpool's worst seasons in decades.

Btw, Liverpool's defence is shakey as hell this season. I'd be shocked if ManU score less than 2 goals tbh.

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