Ferroli SYS 10-23 problem

shane0007

Special WD40 to clean a blocked heat exchanger! That's a new one...
Is he an RGI?
What is the make & model of the boiler?

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Special WD40 to clean a blocked heat exchanger! That's a new one...
Is he an RGI?
What is the make & model of the boiler?

I'd say he's on about ds40!!

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

I'd say he's on about ds40!!

Of course he is. Brain fried today! Even had to be on a white horse today to deal with a client.

channelsurfer2

yes apologies its ds40 not wd40!!! ferroli optimax 25s is the make and model..plumber is rgii and i have verified he is on the rgii website...

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Of course he is. Brain fried today! Even had to be on a white horse today to deal with a client.

White horse?

shane0007

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Plumber said that was the cause error code d2 is coming up. He can't hear kettling whatever that is.he says he can try cleaning ut wit special dw40?but its an aluminium shell

Are you sure the code is not 02 rather than D2?
I would also aire on the side of caution using DS40 on an aluminium heat exchanger, however, I think there could be a misdiagnosis here.

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

White horse?

It's what is expected now from RGI's. Arriving on a big white horse to solve issues. Think it could even become part of the 5 year re-assessment.

Irish Steve

Well, I am going to make some waves.

Shane, if you're reading this, and really are on Valium, you're excused, and should jump now to the text below that's Magenta, I don't want to be held responsible for raising your blood pressure any higher.

The comments that follow are NOT in any way aimed at any of the engineers that are members of boards.ie and contribute in these forums

Commercial gas work is still not as regulated as domestic, probably because some of the equipment is somewhat specialist, and manufacturers instructions are the best guide to making sure they work.

For all sorts of reasons, I got involved with a Chinese restaurant a while back when it was changing hands.

In the kitchen, there is a very large Chinese Wok cooker, with somwhere around 10 burners of varying sizes on it. It is not in the first flush of youth, and has been well worked over the time it's been there,

I got landed with deep cleaning it, and this is a cooker that has a water bath around all the burners, which prevents overheating, and is also used as a fundamental part of the cooking process, water from the bath is added to things being cooked, and also used to rinse out woks between use. Deep cleaning it was a 2 day job, and required a massive strip down to be acceptable

Most of the cooker had to be stripped, including burners, pilot fittings, the flame faiilure sensors, some of the gas valves due to wear, and the whole of the water deck in order to get the build up of significant lime scale out of the hidden areas, as they were a health risk. Quite a few bits spent a long time in a chemical bath to get the grease, oil, carbon and other residue off them. Some, at 10Ft long, were too big and heavy to go into the chemical bath, so they had to be cleaned the hard way.

Some of the issues found on the gas side were interesting to say the least.

Pilots re connected to a ball valve, with no flame failure device associated with the supply.

Pilot feed pipes cut off and folded over to close them.

Flame failure devices completely removed from the supply taps, so that they would light regardless of the status of the flame failure system

Damaged and badly blocked burners that flared in all directions, mixer tubes wrapped in silver foil to change the performance of the burner, and a number of other issues related to the supply connection.

At a later stage, I had to go into the boiler house, there are 2 boilers out there, one for the heating, and one for the hot water. Both were in dire condition, with again, a number of faults that were in urgent need of repair.

The icing on the cake was when I looked at the gas lock out valve, a device not normally found in domestic situations, it's a valve that will slam shut on the incoming gas supply if a fire alarm occurs or if a panic button is hit in the kitchen. I was less than amused to find that there were a couple of good old fashioned clothes pegs on the valve stem, their only purpose being to prevent the valve from closing if activated.

Turned out that the Wok cooker has 2 very large burners on it that were generating such a strong heat surge that the overtemp alarm sensors in the extract ducts were activating on a regular basis, so to prevent the kitchen from being completely shut down every time the alarm went off, the gas cut off valve was effectively disabled by their "engineer" to allow them to keep operating.

The final straw was to discover a small but continuous leak in the external meter cabinet.

A number of these issues had been seen and passed over by a RGI plumber, so you'll excuse me if I am more than slightly cyical about the level of professionalism that is being promoted here,while I am not in any way denigrating the skills and professionalism of the people that post here, I would respect them more if they were less aggressive with some of their comments, as I know from experience that there are engineers out there here in Ireland working on gas and even more so on electricity that are a lot less than acceptable when it comes to the things they let go or ignore.
The RGI Plumber that had been at this site only a few days earlier should by rights have closed off the gas supply, sealed it to prevent it being turned on again, and reported it to Bord Gais.

By the time the job was finished, the only outstanding issue was the leak in the external meter cabinet, which required Bord Gais attention.

Let me make it clear. I have no problem at all with appropriate levels of safety controls, but the way that CER are going with both gas and electricity is just too far. It's being suggested that if CER gets it's way, I could face 3 YEARS in jail, or a 15000 Euro fine for changing a 13 Amp socket in my hallway.

If things carry on going this way, life will become very complicated and expensive for a house owner.

If I go out, I will have to be driven by my qualified mechanic as a car is a dangerous machine that should not be operated by a mere person.

When I come home, I will need the services of a locksmith to open my door, followed shortly afterwards by the services of a member of the Private Security Association who will have to operate my alarm for me.

My electrician will have to operate my lights for me, and once I am comfortably seated, my RGI plumber will then fill my kettle and put it on the gas to boil.

When the tea has been made, a Health & Safety inspector will have to check it to make sure that it is not contaminated, and that the temperature is safe for me to drink it.

At that stage, the Inspector from the Local authority will arrive to ensure that I am not in danger of overcrowding my house.

Oh, before I go, is it a safepass I need before I can have a good F**T before I go to bed?

I've heard that most of that training these days is on how to use a chemical bog and leave it acceptable for the next user.

The last few lines are only slightly tongue in cheek. In the UK, it's reached the stage where I can replace a 13 amp socket in the lounge, but not in the kitchen, and the same is true for a light fitting, if the Flourescent light fitting in the kitchen needs replacing, I'm not allowed to to do that, but the same fitting in the Garage is fine.

This is regulation gone mad, for the wrong reasons. It wouldn't be so bad if the regulatory bodies had sensible joining requirements, but too many of them don't.

I've spent 40 years working with computer equipment, and I'm not talking about PC's here, some of the kit I was involved with occupied an entire floor of a large office block, needed large 3 phase power supplies supplemented by battery backed uninteruptable power supplies, with auto start diesel standby generators, but because I was trained by the company I was working for, and can't produce a certificate to prove it, I can't register for the relevant body here, which could mean that before too long, I won't be allowed to do anything more hazardous than change a fuse!.

I only have utter contempt for a system that has become so paranoid that it can't recognise that there are plenty of people out there that are capable of doing good work, but they can't actually produce a piece of paper to "prove" it. My company didn't provide a certificate of training because they didn't want their engineers to be able to walk into any other company and get work with them on the strength of being able to prove their training.

These sorts of controls are one of the reasons why the economy of Ireland has become so uncompetitive, by the time all the extras have been paid for, the costs are out of this world,


OK Shane, you're safe, message ends.

And by the way, I do understand regulation and licensing very clearly, I have licences for the most regulated and controlled systems in the world, if I was 30 years younger, I'd probably have been sitting in the right hand seat of an Airbus 380, as I spent the time and effort required to get an Airline Transport Pilot's Licence, and you don't get that from FAS after spending 6 days at an "approved training facility" reading the crib sheets for the exam questions.

channelsurfer2

code is definetly d2. system heats up then shuts off when it reaches the temp thats been set 70C and goes 3 or 4 degrees over 70c. d2 comes on until it evetually kicks back in again when it has cooled down below a certain temp. performs a continous cycle like this. d2 is the code that it has gone over its max temp and needs to shut off seemingly.

at this stage i am weary of putting ds40 in even for 4 hours as the plumber suggests due to the risk of "pinholing".
powerflushing with a less agressive version might be a better option. He says the heat exchanger definetly cannot be removed and just cleaned on its own, yet it can be removed and replaced with a brand new one costing 450euro plus labour as ferroli must think their parts are made of gold dust or something...

shane0007

Irish Steve wrote: »

Well, I am going to make some waves.

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Magenta"]Shane, if you're reading this, and really are on Valium, you're excused, and should jump now to the text below that's Magenta, I don't want to be held responsible for raising your blood pressure any higher.
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[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]The comments that follow are NOT in any way aimed at any of the engineers that are members of boards.ie and contribute in these forums[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Commercial gas work is still not as regulated as domestic, probably because some of the equipment is somewhat specialist, and manufacturers instructions are the best guide to making sure they work.

For all sorts of reasons, I got involved with a Chinese restaurant a while back when it was changing hands.

In the kitchen, there is a very large Chinese Wok cooker, with somwhere around 10 burners of varying sizes on it. It is not in the first flush of youth, and has been well worked over the time it's been there,

I got landed with deep cleaning it, and this is a cooker that has a water bath around all the burners, which prevents overheating, and is also used as a fundamental part of the cooking process, water from the bath is added to things being cooked, and also used to rinse out woks between use. Deep cleaning it was a 2 day job, and required a massive strip down to be acceptable

Most of the cooker had to be stripped, including burners, pilot fittings, the flame faiilure sensors, some of the gas valves due to wear, and the whole of the water deck in order to get the build up of significant lime scale out of the hidden areas, as they were a health risk. Quite a few bits spent a long time in a chemical bath to get the grease, oil, carbon and other residue off them. Some, at 10Ft long, were too big and heavy to go into the chemical bath, so they had to be cleaned the hard way.

Some of the issues found on the gas side were interesting to say the least.

Pilots re connected to a ball valve, with no flame failure device associated with the supply.

Pilot feed pipes cut off and folded over to close them.

Flame failure devices completely removed from the supply taps, so that they would light regardless of the status of the flame failure system

Damaged and badly blocked burners that flared in all directions, mixer tubes wrapped in silver foil to change the performance of the burner, and a number of other issues related to the supply connection.

At a later stage, I had to go into the boiler house, there are 2 boilers out there, one for the heating, and one for the hot water. Both were in dire condition, with again, a number of faults that were in urgent need of repair.

The icing on the cake was when I looked at the gas lock out valve, a device not normally found in domestic situations, it's a valve that will slam shut on the incoming gas supply if a fire alarm occurs or if a panic button is hit in the kitchen. I was less than amused to find that there were a couple of good old fashioned clothes pegs on the valve stem, their only purpose being to prevent the valve from closing if activated.

Turned out that the Wok cooker has 2 very large burners on it that were generating such a strong heat surge that the overtemp alarm sensors in the extract ducts were activating on a regular basis, so to prevent the kitchen from being completely shut down every time the alarm went off, the gas cut off valve was effectively disabled by their "engineer" to allow them to keep operating.

The final straw was to discover a small but continuous leak in the external meter cabinet.

A number of these issues had been seen and passed over by a RGI plumber, so you'll excuse me if I am more than slightly cyical about the level of professionalism that is being promoted here,while I am not in any way denigrating the skills and professionalism of the people that post here, I would respect them more if they were less aggressive with some of their comments, as I know from experience that there are engineers out there here in Ireland working on gas and even more so on electricity that are a lot less than acceptable when it comes to the things they let go or ignore.
The RGI Plumber that had been at this site only a few days earlier should by rights have closed off the gas supply, sealed it to prevent it being turned on again, and reported it to Bord Gais.

By the time the job was finished, the only outstanding issue was the leak in the external meter cabinet, which required Bord Gais attention.

Let me make it clear. I have no problem at all with appropriate levels of safety controls, but the way that CER are going with both gas and electricity is just too far. It's being suggested that if CER gets it's way, I could face 3 YEARS in jail, or a 15000 Euro fine for changing a 13 Amp socket in my hallway.

If things carry on going this way, life will become very complicated and expensive for a house owner.

If I go out, I will have to be driven by my qualified mechanic as a car is a dangerous machine that should not be operated by a mere person.

When I come home, I will need the services of a locksmith to open my door, followed shortly afterwards by the services of a member of the Private Security Association who will have to operate my alarm for me.

My electrician will have to operate my lights for me, and once I am comfortably seated, my RGI plumber will then fill my kettle and put it on the gas to boil.

When the tea has been made, a Health & Safety inspector will have to check it to make sure that it is not contaminated, and that the temperature is safe for me to drink it.

At that stage, the Inspector from the Local authority will arrive to ensure that I am not in danger of overcrowding my house.

Oh, before I go, is it a safepass I need before I can have a good F**T before I go to bed?

I've heard that most of that training these days is on how to use a chemical bog and leave it acceptable for the next user.

The last few lines are only slightly tongue in cheek. In the UK, it's reached the stage where I can replace a 13 amp socket in the lounge, but not in the kitchen, and the same is true for a light fitting, if the Flourescent light fitting in the kitchen needs replacing, I'm not allowed to to do that, but the same fitting in the Garage is fine.

This is regulation gone mad, for the wrong reasons. It wouldn't be so bad if the regulatory bodies had sensible joining requirements, but too many of them don't.

I've spent 40 years working with computer equipment, and I'm not talking about PC's here, some of the kit I was involved with occupied an entire floor of a large office block, needed large 3 phase power supplies supplemented by battery backed uninteruptable power supplies, with auto start diesel standby generators, but because I was trained by the company I was working for, and can't produce a certificate to prove it, I can't register for the relevant body here, which could mean that before too long, I won't be allowed to do anything more hazardous than change a fuse!.

I only have utter contempt for a system that has become so paranoid that it can't recognise that there are plenty of people out there that are capable of doing good work, but they can't actually produce a piece of paper to "prove" it. My company didn't provide a certificate of training because they didn't want their engineers to be able to walk into any other company and get work with them on the strength of being able to prove their training.

These sorts of controls are one of the reasons why the economy of Ireland has become so uncompetitive, by the time all the extras have been paid for, the costs are out of this world,

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Magenta"]
OK Shane, you're safe, message ends.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

And by the way, I do understand regulation and licensing very clearly, I have licences for the most regulated and controlled systems in the world, if I was 30 years younger, I'd probably have been sitting in the right hand seat of an Airbus 380, as I spent the time and effort required to get an Airline Transport Pilot's Licence, and you don't get that from FAS after spending 6 days at an "approved training facility" reading the crib sheets for the exam questions.

Well Steve you are the probably the most dangerous type of person out there. You have admitted to working on a gas appliance illegally & you have committed a criminal offence. Worse still you have worked on a commercial gas appliance which carried far greater volumes of gas and therefore put more people's lives at risk.
Commercial gas is not regulated by RGII at the moment but is still law & comes under the CER under IS820.
You have broken the law. You must still be a trained, certified & competent to work on a commercial gas appliance. The downfall is you don't have to be certified in Commercial Gas works but still have to be certified to work on gas.
You are more dangerous than the general public working on gas as you think you are smarter than everyone else. Just because you worked on a computer does not give you the knowledge to strip down a gas appliance and try to repair it.

I am reporting this post to the CER and hopefully they will be in touch with Boards to get your personal information & go to town on you. I am quoting your whole post in case you try to amend or delete it.

You are a danger & a menace to all society & most likey will not heed anybody's warnings.

To the Mods: IMHO IrishSteve should be permanently banned for posting dangerous advice and promoting dangerous & illegal works but that is your decision.

Steve, if I have a bad day at work I could hurt someone or god forbid kill someone, it's that conection that isn't being made by you and others who wish to do what I'm qualified to do safely, for the sake of you and your customer let a competent RGI do the work, they are out there, if only the chancers would stop messing it would be easier for the customers to find the right RGI.

A group of young ladies working in a commercial kitchen very nearly lost their lives due to carbon monoxide recently because nobody noticed there was no interlock between the mechanical ventilation and the gas line, so when someone like you works on gas I worry as you don't know what you don't know and ignorance kills, so please stop messing.

Irish Steve

I love the way that you holier than thou people make assumptions and throw around threats.

Did I say that I made the reconnections or refitted the faulty parts on the Wok? Did I say anything about ME finishing the job?

No, I did not, because it was not me that did that part of the work.

I stripped it, because once it was disconnected from the flexible gas hose quick disconnect hose point, which required NO TOOLS, it was safe. I reported what I had found to the owner and let them decide how to get it sorted, as a significant number of parts were required, and the owner, a Chinese, got another Chinese, NOT RGI, but supposedly a specialist in that equipment, in to sort out the problems. I saw what was done as the work was done, and during a closer inspection when I remade the water connections to the water deck, and I have reported what I saw.

I am SICK TO THE BACK TEETH of holier than thou professionals that make snap judgements on the basis of incomplete information. I think I made my position clear. The previous RGI should have shut off the supply, made it impossible for the owner to restore it, and reported it to Bord Gais. Is that strong enough for you? Short of cutting a chunk out of the incoming supply just after the meter, I could not do that.

Yes, there are messers here. I am not one of them, I do NOT do jobs that I am not happy with, or that would present a risk to me or to others that come behind me. That means I walk away from quite a few, becuase I am either not allowed to do them, or because even though I am, I am not happy to do them.

If I didn't know what I was doing, the work I did before all this stupidity of restrictive practises started would not have been passed by the inspectors that came out to check it before putting it live.

That said, when I read some of the questions that appear in some of these areas, I wonder if the real problem is that the education system is so badly screwed up now. Which is more important, knowing who said what at some stage 200 years ago in an obscure meeting somewhere, or having "life" classes that teach people enough about plumbing, electrics, gas, water and phone services so that they know how to do essential or emergency tasks in the home, and more importantly, when to NOT do something because it's dangerous. We see the result of the present system, a Nanny state scenario where only the select few are allowed to do anything, and the rest of the world is told to do and say nothing, but that is NOT the right way.

I have a number of people that call me before they will call a RGI, or RECI, or ECSSA member, because they trust me to tell them the truth, and give them an accurate assesment of the issue before anything is done. If they didn't trust me, or felt that the advice I give was suspect, they would not call.

So many keyboard warriors, so little time

Dtp79

Steve you're some man to write a post, ill give you that !!!

Steve, I think your trolling.

Forgive my snap judgement and if your not trolling then stay away from gas your not qualified and you or your ego could hurt someone.

shane0007

Irish Steve wrote: »

I love the way that you holier than thou people make assumptions and throw around threats.

Did I say that I made the reconnections or refitted the faulty parts on the Wok? Did I say anything about ME finishing the job?

No, I did not, because it was not me that did that part of the work.

I stripped it, because once it was disconnected from the flexible gas hose quick disconnect hose point, which required NO TOOLS, it was safe. I reported what I had found to the owner and let them decide how to get it sorted, as a significant number of parts were required, and the owner, a Chinese, got another Chinese, NOT RGI, but supposedly a specialist in that equipment, in to sort out the problems. I saw what was done as the work was done, and during a closer inspection when I remade the water connections to the water deck, and I have reported what I saw.

I am SICK TO THE BACK TEETH of holier than thou professionals that make snap judgements on the basis of incomplete information. I think I made my position clear. The previous RGI should have shut off the supply, made it impossible for the owner to restore it, and reported it to Bord Gais. Is that strong enough for you? Short of cutting a chunk out of the incoming supply just after the meter, I could not do that.

Yes, there are messers here. I am not one of them, I do NOT do jobs that I am not happy with, or that would present a risk to me or to others that come behind me. That means I walk away from quite a few, becuase I am either not allowed to do them, or because even though I am, I am not happy to do them.

If I didn't know what I was doing, the work I did before all this stupidity of restrictive practises started would not have been passed by the inspectors that came out to check it before putting it live.

That said, when I read some of the questions that appear in some of these areas, I wonder if the real problem is that the education system is so badly screwed up now. Which is more important, knowing who said what at some stage 200 years ago in an obscure meeting somewhere, or having "life" classes that teach people enough about plumbing, electrics, gas, water and phone services so that they know how to do essential or emergency tasks in the home, and more importantly, when to NOT do something because it's dangerous. We see the result of the present system, a Nanny state scenario where only the select few are allowed to do anything, and the rest of the world is told to do and say nothing, but that is NOT the right way.

I have a number of people that call me before they will call a RGI, or RECI, or ECSSA member, because they trust me to tell them the truth, and give them an accurate assesment of the issue before anything is done. If they didn't trust me, or felt that the advice I give was suspect, they would not call.

So many keyboard warriors, so little time

You described how you stripped down a gas appliance & put it back together. You described how you worked on a gas appliance.
Explain it to the authorities, not us! You have been reported. Hopefully you will not be in a position to cause harm to people again.

As for keyboard warriors, I think you will win that competition hands down.

shane0007

For the record, I have responded with Steve and I am happy he did not do illegal gas works. He is concerned about how chancers get away with works that they should not get away with. He sees that he as an uncertified person could identify issues, why can a certified person not. He is correct.

I would like to retract my statements about him and offer my hand to him.

sullzz

shane0007 wrote: »

For the record, I have responded with Steve and I am happy he did not do illegal gas works. He is concerned about how chancers get away with works that they should not get away with. He sees that he as an uncertified person could identify issues, why can a certified person not. He is correct.

I would like to retract my statements about him and offer my hand to him.

Did you accidently double your dose of Valium ??

DGOBS

Gary as we discussed via phone, you can see why a lot of UK forums have put a stop to all advise being given out online for gas boilers. Accidents waiting to happen. Not DIY work.

PS. As for the 'holier than thou' , I shall have you know Shanes name shall be whispered in lowered tones whence conclave begins over the coming days, and one day I am sure we'll be having a festival 'St Shanes Day'

To Shane. I se the anger management course is starting to pay off then!

He's just very misunderstood, under that harsh argumentative exterior is a man just craving a cuddle.

Dtp79

I'd like to be the first to say to everyone.. Happy st Shane's day!

slavetothegrind

if only your previous posts hadn't cast you in such poor aesthetic light Gary you might just be the man for the cuddlin'

But Shane, he picky!


.....i'm referring to mention of y fronts some time ago.....shudder........:(

slavetothegrind

DGOBS wrote: »

Gary as we discussed via phone, you can see why a lot of UK forums have put a stop to all advise being given out online for gas boilers. Accidents waiting to happen. Not DIY work.

PS. As for the 'holier than thou' , I shall have you know Shanes name shall be whispered in lowered tones whence conclave begins over the coming days, and one day I am sure we'll be having a festival 'St Shanes Day'

To Shane. I se the anger management course is starting to pay off then!

so if white smoke emits from shane is he done or elected?

channelsurfer2

Good debate.as a layperson I add this that its hard to find a good knowlegable plumber for my boiler anyway. All have been rgii certified all have done different things and some have contradicted what others did previously . That's four different plumbers over 3 years. In fairness the latest one seems to be good gave the options and left it to.me to decide. Which I can't decide on.....

Robbie.G

gary71 wrote: »

He's just very misunderstood, under that harsh argumentative exterior is a man just craving a cuddle.

It sounds as if your offering there Gary

Robbie.G

Robbie.G wrote: »

It sounds as if your offering there Gary

Nope, I'm far to grumpy to be doing any cuddling, Johnnyk might be a better call sinces he's been sitting on his power flusher I hear he's been cuddling anything in arms lenth;)

slavetothegrind

slavetothegrind wrote: »

if only your previous posts hadn't cast you in such poor aesthetic light Gary you might just be the man for the cuddlin'

But Shane, he picky!


.....i'm referring to mention of y fronts some time ago.....shudder........:(

If you buy them in the right colours Y fronts can be a mood changer;) that and a couple of bottles of wine.

Robbie.G

gary71 wrote: »

Nope, I'm far to grumpy to be doing any cuddling, Johnnyk might be a better call sinces he's been sitting on his power flusher I hear he's been cuddling anything in arms lenth;)

Johnnies to friendly with that power flusher it mightn't be safe for him to hug you

Robbie.G

Robbie.G wrote: »

Johnnies to friendly with that power flusher it mightn't be safe for him to hug you

Robbie, I don't want a bloody hug, it's Shane who's showing his softer caring side, he's the one who's full of love for his fellow man.

channelsurfer2

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Good debate.as a layperson I add this that its hard to find a good knowlegable plumber for my boiler anyway. All have been rgii certified all have done different things and some have contradicted what others did previously . That's four different plumbers over 3 years. In fairness the latest one seems to be good gave the options and left it to.me to decide. Which I can't decide on.....

It's very hard to find a tradesman at times, being a RGI is meaningless and is no indication of ability to do the job, you call in a gas engineer you don't know if your getting horse or beef unfortunately, there are lots of good tradesmen out there, it just takes a bit of digging.

Irish Steve

Just caught up with the explosion in activity here, and want to record my thanks to Shane for his message, and to confirm that we have indeed been exchanging messages, and there is white smoke here, and hopefully elsewhere.

Several of the comments are very appropriate, and right, and appreciated.

What I am going to suggest is that some of the people at the top of the trade should start pressuring the Dept of Education to introduce into the later stages of second level a text book and short course on Gas, (Natural & LPG), Electrics, Oil, water, phones, broadband and maybe Cable TV, an idiots guide on "what you will find in your house", and a guide on how it works, and what the home owner can do with safety,

Ideally, it would also be liberally scattered with lurid photographs of what happens when people do wrong things, as a clear warning of the dangers of going too far

I have been appalled by some of the questions I've seen, especially over in Electrics, and I'm also not happy that too many homeowners are so unaware of the equipment they have installed, they are wide open to being ripped off or worse, or left with dangerous equipment when a Celtic Tiger apprentice does a job for them.

That is NOT a dig at anyone here, the guys here are doing a good job of trying to help people, but it is a serious dig at the lacklustre regulators that seem to be unwilling or unable to weed out the rotten apples from the trades

That's damaging the real professionals, ( Like Shane and Gary71) and putting customers at risk, and both of those results are bad, very bad for all concerned.

I am very unhappy that CER seem to think changing a socket should only be done by a registered electrician, that's Nanny state levels, so this is a discussion that needs to happen in order to ensure that reason prevails.

Cheers Guys, I will sleep more comfortably tonight for clearing up this confusion.

Steve

.jacksparrow.

Thread was much more fun when you and Shane mere bickering;)

channelsurfer2

ok update. boiler has packed it in altogether and wont fire up. comes on and the pump circulates but wont fire up. temp reads 14c on the display. I have read that constantly filling up a a boiler(as in every 2 months or so) with softened water can play havoc with an aluminum heat exchanger and cause it to fail. any thoughts on this or is it a myth as thats what I have had to do dispite the plumber telling me he cant find a leak in the system anywhere.

sullzz

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

ok update. boiler has packed it in altogether and wont fire up. comes on and the pump circulates but wont fire up. temp reads 14c on the display. I have read that constantly filling up a a boiler(as in every 2 months or so) with softened water can play havoc with an aluminum heat exchanger and cause it to fail. any thoughts on this or is it a myth as thats what I have had to do dispite the plumber telling me he cant find a leak in the system anywhere.

Constantly topping up a boiler does destroy it , but probably has nothing to do with whats wrong with your boiler at the moment , more info needed , does it go to lockout , can you hear it sparking etc .

channelsurfer2

sullzz wrote: »

Constantly topping up a boiler does destroy it , but probably has nothing to do with whats wrong with your boiler at the moment , more info needed , does it go to lockout , can you hear it sparking etc .

No sparking it trys something but dosent spark. Then pump seems to come on and stays at low temp of 14c. Heat exchanger is 422 ex vat plus labour.

shane0007

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

No sparking it trys something but dosent spark. Then pump seems to come on and stays at low temp of 14c. Heat exchanger is 422 ex vat plus labour.

Lock out? Fault code?

channelsurfer2

shane0007 wrote: »

Lock out? Fault code?

No fault code as its not firing up but when it did it gave error code d2

shane0007

Sounds more like a pcb issue.

channelsurfer2

shane0007 wrote: »

Sounds more like a pcb issue.

That's why I don't want to spend 500euro on a heat excjhanger and find out it wasn't the problem. Plumber was sure d2 code was a kaput heat exchanger but to be honest the boiler is rubbish it coukd be a combination of things. Thanks for info shane.

channelsurfer2

thermistor was replaced but now it seems ferroli say that the code is due to fan fault not igniting and that a new fan will solve the problem. however they say that d2 is a normal code that the boiler shuts off when the temp max is met which i cant understand.