Who do you think are the hardest players?

bullvine

Norman Hunter was a weed! Franny Lee battered him, check out the footage.

Hunter got a cheap shot in at the start.

Montero was an animal.

Mick Harford is without the hardest player to ever play the game, beast of a player.

Also, anybody mention Kevin Moran yet?

J Cheever Loophole

bullvine wrote: »

Norman Hunter was a weed! Franny Lee battered him, check out the footage.

Thanks for that - I was going to go into further detail about that incident but thought my post was already getting a bit long.

For the record - I thought myself Norman came off second best in that scuffle (which seemed to go on for about two seasons) - that does not take away from the fact that Norman had a justifiable reputation for being a hard player.

After that incident I always had a certain respect for Frannie, in that here was a player who could look after himself - however paradoxically I never thought of him as a hard player. There you go.

Cienciano

efb wrote: »

Is 'hard' a good thing or a bad thing?

If he plays for your team, good. If he plays for the opposition, bad

eigrod

Keane and Souness were very very similar to me.

Both great captains.
Both hard.
Both great footballers.
Both scored big goals when they were needed.
Both lead by example.
Both great passers of the ball.
Both able to keep the ball when needed.
Both capable of a bad tackle when the red mist descended.
Both hated by opposition fans wherever they went.
Both loved by their respective team mates.

bullvine

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Thanks for that - I was going to go into further detail about that incident but thought my post was already getting a bit long.

For the record - I thought myself Norman came off second best in that scuffle (which seemed to go on for about two seasons) - that does not take away from the fact that Norman had a justifiable reputation for being a hard player.

After that incident I always had a certain respect for Frannie, in that here was a player who could look after himself - however paradoxically I never thought of him as a hard player. There you go.

Yeah, Hunter was tough but I think he was more of a bully than just really hard when Lee put it up to him you could see he was all over the shop.

There was a fantastic documentary made about 10 years ago on Channel 4 about footballs hardest 11, does anybody remember it. As far I remember they had Gentile, Goecohea, Souness, Keane, etc in it. Must try and dig it out. But the team consisted of players who could play and weren't just thugs.

J Cheever Loophole

bullvine wrote: »

There was a fantastic documentary made about 10 years ago on Channel 4 about footballs hardest 11, does anybody remember it. As far I remember they had Gentile, Goecohea, Souness, Keane, etc in it. Must try and dig it out. But the team consisted of players who could play and weren't just thugs.

I do recall that and I've a notion that Montero was quite high up in their rankings - very much open to correction of course.

Incidentally, as a football mad kid in the early seventies, South American football wa something of an unknown world, with knowledge limited to both Celtic and Man United's experiences in the world club championships. As a consequence, in our minds back then, Argentinian football had a reputation for violence and terror!!

Imagine our shock a few years later when England went on a South American tour in 1977 that included a "friendly" against Argentina in La Bombonera (sp?) and the ferociously named Daniel Killer appeared in defence!!



I know very little about his stye of play, but surely he has the hardest name?

bullvine

He looks hard!

jasonb

And both poor managers!

J.

eigrod wrote: »

Keane and Souness were very very similar to me.

Both great captains.
Both hard.
Both great footballers.
Both scored big goals when they were needed.
Both lead by example.
Both great passers of the ball.
Both able to keep the ball when needed.
Both capable of a bad tackle when the red mist descended.
Both hated by opposition fans wherever they went.
Both loved by their respective team mates.

eyescreamcone

jasonb wrote: »

And both poor managers!

J.

Souness won trophies with teams in England Scotland and Turkey.
Not bad for a poor manager.

Keane won the championship with Sunderland - hasn't done much since

bullvine

In fairness to Souness, there's far worse Managers than him out there!

inforfun

EdenHazard wrote: »

he just seems like a terrible tackler. its so funny at like 1.25 he makes a big dash for the player and attacks him from behind only for him to be the one who ends up on his back. the typical football hardman

Let me ask you this.
I know you are not that old, you cant help that but did you base your opinion on Neeskens's hardness on 1 moment in a 2 minute clip?

Or did you ever see him play a full match?

J Cheever Loophole

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Souness won trophies with teams in England Scotland and Turkey.
Not bad for a poor manager.

Quite right, and he always had an eye for talent, for example, giving Georg Weah's cousin his chance at Southampton!!

The Mulk

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He actually looks tougher now then when he was a player.

Tough nut.

I remember reading an article about the hardest team(team of psychos) in English foot-balling history,(4-4-2 or one of the other mags). They gave it to the Birmingham team of 82-84. Mick Harford, Howard Gayle, Dave Langan, Pat van den Hauwe. Julian Dicks was an apprentice with them to name but a few.
There was one player who transferred to Villa but wore a Birm. City badge over the villa crest every game. During a derby between the two he went up to take a Villa corner and the villa fans seen the badge and started to boo him. He just turned around and booted the ball straight at them.
He was sold back to birmingham soon afterwards.

dd972

The Mulk wrote: »

I remember reading an article about the hardest team(team of psychos) in English foot-balling history,(4-4-2 or one of the other mags). They gave it to the Birmingham team of 82-84. Mick Harford, Howard Gayle, Dave Langan, Pat van den Hauwe. Julian Dicks was an apprentice with them to name but a few.
There was one player who transferred to Villa but wore a Birm. City badge over the villa crest every game. During a derby between the two he went up to take a Villa corner and the villa fans seen the badge and started to boo him. He just turned around and booted the ball straight at them.
He was sold back to birmingham soon afterwards.

Think that was Robert Hopkins, a bag average player to say the least

dd972

Rekop dog wrote: »

Leaving his personal twatishness aside John Terry is prob the hardest premier league footballer imo.

Never seen him as a hard player, more a puffed up strutting odious Estuary man, lost count of the amount of times I've seen him squaring up to players giving it the big chops.

elgriff

eyescreamcone wrote: »

And still no mention yet of the dirtiest player in modern times
Paul Scholes

QikBax

Roberto Ayala.

Tough as nails