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Edge top 50 greatest developers
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I firmly believe they should be listed of course, just not at the top of it. As I've said, the list was about game developers so one should focus on the game development efforts of the companies in question. There's no doubt Valve have accomplished great things with Steam I just think they're irrelevant in this context.Are Valve a developer? Yes. Are Valve massively significant in shaping the PC gaming platform? Yes. Is Gabe Newell something of a visionary (or at least perceived as such) in the games industry? Yes. Should Valve be on a list of relevant contemporary developers? Of course
I don't see the point of splitting hairs here. Valve still excites people and is clearly a hugely influential, or at least prominent, PC developer
Again, all relevant to their presence in the charts, just not at the top when compared to the more recent efforts of other developers.Why would you suggest that TF2 is no longer influential or an important piece of the PC gaming firmament? The last I checked it had received a content update less than a month ago and the F2P/Hats economy remains very much relevant today
I was actually going to use them in a comparison to Valve. The difference is, CD Projekt RED is, strictly speaking, the development arm of that collection of companies so it's easier to differentiate their efforts from that of their sister/parent companies.Pretty much, and if it does......then, as was posted before, where the hell is CD Project? They take ancient out of production PC games, re-engineer them to work on modern PC's with no DRM (but not always a 100% work rate) and sell them for at most $10...and have ridiculous sales too.
Most of which was a continuation of the work begun with Infiniminer so again, while praise is most certainly due, at some stage continued updates to an already wildly successful title should only carry you so far in a list such as this.But can you see how its distribution model, simplicity of design and progressively generated world are highly influential on the way games are evolving?0 -
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I firmly believe they should be listed of course, just not at the top of it. As I've said, the list was about game developers so one should focus on the game development efforts of the companies in question. There's no doubt Valve have accomplished great things with Steam I just think they're irrelevant in this context.
Again, all relevant to their presence in the charts, just not at the top when compared to the more recent efforts of other developers.
I was actually going to use them in a comparison to Valve. The difference is, CD Projekt RED is, strictly speaking, the development arm of that collection of companies so it's easier to differentiate their efforts from that of their sister/parent companies.
Most of which was a continuation of the work begun with Infiniminer so again, while praise is most certainly due, at some stage continued updates to an already wildly successful title should only carry you so far in a list such as this.
Who would you have at #1 then ? Since valve strated releasing games on the source engine they have released:
Half life 2 ( Aswel as episode 1 + 2 )
CS:S + CS:GO
Team Fortress 2
Left 4 Dead 1 + 2
Portal 1 + 2
Dota 2 (it may Aswel be released !!)
All of which have done well (or extremely well) critically. So that's 9 games and a few expansions in 9 years.
Good enough for me anyway.0 -
Well if you're drawing the line at the release of Half Life 2 then I'd be inclined to say Valve. The further back you push the line, the stronger Nintendo EAD become. Pull it closer to 2012, the stronger some of the other entrants come as I explained above. The problem is that based on the list as originally presented, it was impossible to tell where that line was being drawn.Who would you have at #1 then ? Since valve strated releasing games on the source engine they have released:
Half life 2 ( Aswel as episode 1 + 2 )
CS:S + CS:GO
Team Fortress 2
Left 4 Dead 1 + 2
Portal 1 + 2
Dota 2 (it may Aswel be released !!)
All of which have done well (or extremely well) critically. So that's 9 games and a few expansions in 9 years.
Good enough for me anyway.
The official link johnny_ultimate provided does shed some more light on the list though, this is a list of the top 50 studios working today and their criteria is pretty damn open ended. In light of that (and with the knowledge that we'll probably never get any kind of concensus), I'll just go with Nintendo EAD as my number one. 0 -
Well if you're drawing the line at the release of Half Life 2 then I'd be inclined to say Valve. The further back you push the line, the stronger Nintendo EAD become. Pull it closer to 2012, the stronger some of the other entrants come as I explained above. The problem is that based on the list as originally presented, it was impossible to tell where that line was being drawn.
The official link johnny_ultimate provided does shed some more light on the list though, this is a list of the top 50 studios working today and their criteria is pretty damn open ended. In light of that (and with the knowledge that we'll probably never get any kind of concensus), I'll just go with Nintendo EAD as my number one.
They would probably be my 1 2. Valve would still be #1 for me because their games are better on average. Nintendo EAD is basically 5 developers rolled into one.. So it has more than a few rotten eggs, insane amount of classics over the years tho.
If today we were told both valve and nintendo were announcing a new game at e3, i know which i would be more excited about.0 -
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