HMV going into administration

seamus

sink wrote: »

I don't see any benefit to having the physical CD the liner notes are not that important.

It's sentimentality. In the same way that plenty of people still lament the death of the vinyl and not having a lovely big album sleeve with sleeve notes to look at while you listen to media the size of a platter.

Not mocking them now, just saying that some people see that as one of the key parts of the music experience. Most people don't though. I imagine many people have never looked at the sleeve notes on any of their albums.

1865

murpho999 wrote: »

I am amazed at the amount of people who have computers and internet but still buy CD's and DVD's?

On Sky News last week they covered the same item and people were saying 'Oh I prefer to have the physical device' or what if your hard disc gets damaged or what if you delete by accident.

Well apart from undelete, everything can be backed up in the cloud and retrieved anytime.

Also the likes of iTunes, your purchases are their always and can be retrieved at any time. So you can never lose anything.
Cheaper prices, good quality and instant delivery too. What more could you want?

The idea of having loads of space taken up by discs and the inability to play playlists that suit your own taste rather than being forced to listen to one disc at a time is awful to me now.

Embrace it people it's a great world once you go digital and it's not going to be stopped.

Apologies for going off topic but I can't agree with you Murpho.

CDs and DVDs don't take up that much space and I am much happier having a physical copy of something rather than a "licence" for a digital download backed up to god knows where.

I know that its old fashioned but I'll still have my music when others have dead URLs.

Penn

Dravokivich wrote: »

You've still for all intents and purposes haven't purchased it through any means. A lack of adaption for the move in marketplace is one factor which affected HMV. It's foolish to state free downloads hasn't.

But I have. Like I said, I've bought things which I've already downloaded. Breaking Bad for example. I downloaded Seasons 3 and 4 as they were being shown in the States. I have them on my hard drive. But when the dvds of them have been released, I've bought them. I downloaded Red State because it wasn't released in cinemas over here. When it was released on dvd, I bought it, even though I already had it. I downloaded one of Stewart Lee's dvds, which I then also bought, as well as his other ones. These are just a few examples.

I am definitely not saying free downloads haven't been damaging to HMVs business, of course it has. I was only responding to this:

hooradiation wrote: »

This doesn't follow. They may consume more media than other people, but they get that media for free. The idea that when given the opportunity to acquire something for free Vs paying for it that people would opt to pay for it runs counter to the basic human trait of wanting the most reward for the least effort.

My point was that even though many of us can and do get this stuff for free, we often pay for it too (even stuff we have already downloaded and therefore don't really need to buy), and in many cases, they are things we wouldn't have paid for if we hadn't downloaded them for free in the first place.

Mushy

sink wrote: »

I often listen to a whole album through, it's actually the main way I listen to music and I don't rely just on spotify as I have iTunes match which stores my own music I upload myself in the cloud and wirelessly syncs to all my devices.

My commute is about an hour and I listen to music on my noise cancelling senns, so I usually listen to an entire album on my way into work and another on the way home. Instead of reading the liner notes, if it's a new band or album I will usually read their Wikipedia page and maybe checkout their website. If I'm really enjoying it I will check to see if they have any upcoming Irish dates.

I don't see any benefit to having the physical CD the liner notes are not that important.

Tis a good way, but if wanna read the lyrics or see accompanying art work. Or see if the band have thanked certain people for whatever reason. Sometimes it can be a mini book, like with 1 cd I bought today.

Maybe there could be a case for bands putting more effort into them though.

Mimikyu

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seamus

1865 wrote: »

CDs and DVDs don't take up that much space and I am much happier having a physical copy of something rather than a "licence" for a digital download backed up to god knows where.

As was pedantically pointed out earlier on in this thread, a CD is no more a "physical" copy of music than an iPod is. They're both in a digital format, intangible without a player. The only difference is that a CD is unchangeable.

In reality a 64GB USB Key will hold the 100 CDs of music at actual CD quality. At High-quality MP3 levels (virtually indistinguishable from CD), the same USB Key will hold 534 hours of music - about 410 CDs worth of music. On something the size of your thumb. How much room does 400 CDs take up? A whole wall?

On top of that the USB key is virtually indestructible by environmental problems. CDs on the other hand can be scratched, can warp and will be destroyed if exposed to UV light for too long.

If you want long-lasting "physical" copies of your music then the only sensible thing is to put them on USB keys and lock them away.

TheDoc

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Thats a weird one, any idea what station so I can have a listen?

Only reason I say it is from my own retail background, and my mother had €500 vouchers outstanding for a home store that pulled the same thing, she got advice from the consumer affairs who informed her that as the voucher was paid by cash it would have to be accepted

I hope I'm mixing that up with "expiry" dates on vouchers, which is also bollox.

EDIt : Actually think I am mixing this up with expiry date on vouchers, ignore me, . Thats epic **** though if you have loads of vouchers you cant use : /

On liveline now.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

On top of that the USB key is virtually indestructible by environmental problems. CDs on the other hand can be scratched, can warp and will be destroyed if exposed to UV light for too long.

If you want long-lasting "physical" copies of your music then the only sensible thing is to put them on USB keys and lock them away.

Optical discs are considered a very good archival format by those with actual experience and knowledge of the field. I don't know of a single digital archive that uses USB thumbdrives.

UCDVet

I don't understand music 'rights' or 'licenses'.
I wish someone could just explain it to me in simple terms.

If I buy a 'song' online from a legit retailer and get a download link....what does that mean? Did I buy the file (the .mp3 or whatever) or did I buy the 'right' to personal copy of the song?

Let's say I buy a song from iTunes. Then, years later, I'm on a new computer - if I purchased the 'license'; can I just download a torrent of the same .mp3 or rip it from a friend's CD - since I have a license?

If I buy a physical CD - am I only buying that CD - or am I buying the rights to the songs? I know my parents had a lot of old vinyl records, but then they bought the same stuff on CD, and now even have some of the same songs on their mp3 players now. Did they waste money purchases three licenses to the same song?

Likewise, if I own a CD with a bunch of songs and then step on the CD or lose the CD - can I legally download a copy of the CD? Or was my license tied to the CD? I've heard before that I could 'back up' my CD - that is make a copy of it. But can I download it off the internet? Or do I have to perform the backup myself?

I've also heard I can record music off the radio. With cassette tapes, everyone I knew used to do it. But what about streaming music sites? Can I record them? None of them support that functionality - but if I turn my mic on while the speakers are playing music - I can record it. Is that legal? What if I save it and categorize it?

Then, people have written software that will automatically record the audio streams so I can save them without playing them. Is that legal?

I also play a lot of video games. If I buy a video game that has 30 songs inside the game....(like Tony Hawk something or other, when you play, it plays songs)....do I have a license for those? If I have a party - certainly - I can turn on Tony Hawk and turn up the speakers....since I own the game. But can I copy those songs to my mp3 player and listen to them on the bus? I have to imagine I'd be able to record myself playing the game....I mean, hey, it's my living room after all. So I could play the recording of the game which has the songs - but do I have the rights to the songs? Can I download those songs from a torrent site? The torrents would be digital rips of the CDs that had those songs - does that make a difference?

I really don't understand.

Likewise, if I buy a movie - how is it that I don't already own the soundtrack?!

I've also heard that, with digital media you purchase, the 'license' you get is non-transferable. So, that would mean you can't ever sell your old music or trade CDs with a friend, or even give your children your media collection after you die.

At this point it seems easier to pirate music. It's wrong, but at least I know it's wrong.

krudler

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Just remember, the staff in the stores had no input on the voucher policy, and abusing them gets you nowhere and won't change anything. It also makes you a dick, abusing the messenger, and the messenger who is about to lose their job too. This is standard practice for companies in administration and the reasons have already been explained, essentially people with vouchers are last in line after taxes, rent and suppliers have been paid. If there is anything left after that, then vouchers will be dealt with by the administrator. Of course they didn't stop selling vouchers and remained open over Christmas, they needed the boost to try to keep afloat and as already mentioned, if they stopped selling vouchers the share price would have collapsed and they would not be in the position they are in now, the possibility of being sold as a going concern.

Rail against having vouchers, rail against administration policies, but leave HMV staff alone.

This^ staff on the verge of losing their jobs don't need the abuse because of corporate decisions. They have zero input into the voucher policy. So don't be dicks.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Optical discs are considered a very good archival format by those with actual experience and knowledge of the field. I don't know of a single digital archive that uses USB thumbdrives.

That's because optical formats can be "write once", which means they can't be intentionally or inadvertently altered later on. Kind of essential ingredients of any major archive.

You'll also find that the media are stored in an environmentally controlled facility with fire surpression systems.

For an individual's purpose though, and especially for media formats, that level of data security is not required and does not outweigh the benefit of a reduced footprint.

Allyall

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

TwoShedsJackson

Deleted User wrote: »

On liveline now.

Take one shot of your favourite drink each time the phrases 'it's a disgrace Joe!', 'I know my rights!' or 'a woman from Clontarf' are uttered.

ixoy

Traded in games yesterday for sixty euro in vouchers. If we had just waited one more day...
HMV on Grafton Street: Lots of staff around, many monitoring stock I think to stop thievery. Didn't thankfully see anyone getting abuse for decisions that have nothing to do with them.

VinLieger

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

Very reasonable argument there for condemning 300 people to unemployment.... love how you only blame the store and not the parents lack of supervision of the 11 year old

krudler

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

Really? hundreds of people possibly unemployed because of that? Every bad customer service story has two sides, bet this one has too

melekalikimaka

VinLieger wrote: »

ove how you only blame the store and not the parents lack of supervision of the 11 year old

the shop are responsible for what they sell not the kids parents

Allyall

VinLieger wrote: »

Very reasonable argument there for condemning 300 people to unemployment.... love how you only blame the store and not the parents lack of supervision of the 11 year old

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

I didn't condemn them to unemployment.

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

EDIT.
Also worth pointing out, Some of the staff obviously weren't capable of working there..

Mushy

melekalikimaka wrote: »

the shop are responsible for what they sell not the kids parents

The parents should know what game their kid was getting, would have saved a lot of bother. Not that the staff member should have sold it either.

RobbieTheRobber

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

You do know that those ratings on games in Ireland have no legal status, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Film_Classification_Office#Video_games
So yeah as the other posters say very valid reason for wishing job losses on so many.

Allyall

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

So the parents of an 11 year old allow him/her to take 11 of his games from home and head unsupervised into a HMV where he trades his games in its the stores fault. Sorry but that to me seems like a case of bad parenting.

I also have serious doubts about your story. He traded in two games less than a month old and a further 5 in order to get just one game. Something sounds off as HMV offer the best trade in prices around and are especially good with recent releases. Two titles less than a month old should more than cover the cost of a new release.

mathie

I just got back from HMV where I tried to use my fifty euro voucher.
They wouldn't accept it.

So I slammed my hands down (in full view of everyone) and said "Yano somethin, I can't stand you, half the people in here laugh at your stupidity and not because you're funny, they're laughing AT you and not WITH you. Wanna know what you are? You know when you've gone out for dinner and had a nice juicy steak or that delicious chicken and ham? Yeh? Well, you're that annoying bastard of a piece of meat that gets stuck between your teeth and does your head in for the rest of the fúcking day trying to get it out when you haven't got a toothpick! Now, you keep pissing me off and I swear I'll get a toothpick, so stop annoying me! Are we clear?"

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055821900

murpho999

1865 wrote: »

Apologies for going off topic but I can't agree with you Murpho.

CDs and DVDs don't take up that much space and I am much happier having a physical copy of something rather than a "licence" for a digital download backed up to god knows where.

I know that its old fashioned but I'll still have my music when others have dead URLs.

Come on a large collection will take up a lot of space.

No discs at all take up even less, they never get lost and wrong CD's don't end up in the wrong cover.

"Licences" are not backed up to "God Knows where" but a very large companies like Apple or Dropbox.

Also, I have the it backed up on an external hard drive too.

I think you're just making up the dead urls or talking about people who sourced their entertainment illegally.

Aslo, CD's can get damaged,what do you do then? (DOn't say that never happens!)

melekalikimaka

melekalikimaka wrote: »

the shop are responsible for what they sell not the kids parents

Unless it had a rating from the BBFC then there is nothing illegal or wrong with the store selling any title to an 11 year old.

melekalikimaka

Mushy wrote: »

The parents should know what game their kid was getting, would have saved a lot of bother.

:rolleyes:

Allyall

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You do know that those ratings on games in Ireland have no legal status, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Film_Classification_Office#Video_games
So yeah as the other posters say very valid reason for wishing job losses on so many.

Deleted User wrote: »

So the parents of an 11 year old allow him/her to take 11 of his games from home and head unsupervised into a HMV where he trades his games in its the stores fault. Sorry but that to me seems like a case of bad parenting.

I also have serious doubts about your story. He traded in two games less than a month old and a further 5 in order to get just one game. Something sounds off as HMV offer the best trade in prices around and are especially good with recent releases. Two titles less than a month old should more than cover the cost of a new release.

You can have all the serious doubts you want. I was on the phone to HMV UK for over an hour and then a call back, where she had a record of the transaction. She said nothing could be done, She did however apologise that the game was handed to him.

Already replied to that
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82700144&postcount=273

krudler

Allyall wrote: »

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

I didn't condemn them to unemployment.

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

EDIT.
Also worth pointing out, Some of the staff obviously weren't capable of working there..

..what? that doesnt make sense. I used to work for hmv and the age ratings were drilled into staff, so either it was an oversight and the staff member didnt notice the rating, or they were a newbie, or a dozen other reasons. human error does happen.

Allyall

Allyall wrote: »

You can have all the serious doubts you want. I was on the phone to HMV UK for over an hour and then a call back, where she had a record of the transaction. She said nothing could be done, She did however apologise that the game was handed to him.

Already replied to that
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82700144&postcount=273

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

Allyall

Deleted User wrote: »

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

The games back, no voucher. They were worth more than the voucher.

super_furry

mathie wrote: »

Yeh? Well, you're that annoying bastard of a piece of meat that gets stuck between your teeth and does your head in for the rest of the fúcking day trying to get it out when you haven't got a toothpick!

How come no restaurants leave out toothpicks any more? Really annoying that.

Allyall

Allyall wrote: »

The games back, no voucher. They were worth more than the voucher.

The fact that you say that it took 2 less than a month old releases and 5 recent enough releases to get just one game makes your story a little hard to believe. HMV have for a long time offered the best trade in prices, so its hard to believe that it took so many games just to get one.

A few months back I got ovdr 60 euro for three games which were a good few months old. GameStop offered 17 for the same three games which is why had you told the same story about GameStop I'd find it much more believable.

riclad

IT seems this is the future trend, many book shops, music shops will close ,they cant compete with amazon ,online stores.They are paying high ,rent rates,in city centre locations.
I,d go to hmv, see xbox360, games for sale there, 40 or 50 euro,
meanwhile same games preowned are 20 euro or 30 , in game.
How can you compete with online,companys ,who pay no rates,
and have sales, special offers ,eg buy this game,get ten euro off the next game you buy.

ilovesleep

Deleted User wrote: »

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

For her son to be wrapped in cotten wool no doubt. Or perhaps one of those toddlers leads to prevent her son from rambling.

There's no doubt the 18s game shouldn't have been sold to an 11 year old but where was she, the mother to allow her child to ramble into town. If she thinks he's so vunerable to an 18s game, he shouldn't be allowed out on his own at 11.

efb

Here's a clue for all the angry people- DON'T BUY STORE VOUCHERS- they are awful and leave consumers in a weak position- I got a voucher for my birthday I used it the next day- the current climate means nothing is safe.

And shops will continue to sell vouchers because its free credit for them. Vouchers are usually spent 1 month after receipt - that's 30+ days free credit.
caveat emptor

Mushy

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Inspiring contribution! Why shouldnt the parents know? I went to buy a tape for my brother years ago, had the parental advisory sticker on it, so parents stopped me buying it. Blame goes both ways!

Now I get to have fun in bringing back headphones I bought this morning. No sound in right ear. Could take a while.

scdublin

I'm one of those weirdos who still loves buying the actual CD of my fav artists when it comes out....I download a small bit on ITunes but I'll miss it if it closes

Hogzy

If HMV go then Amazon are going to have a near monopoly. Play.com is being shut down and I could see thehut group having to change tack as they are based in the Channel Islands and will be affected by the new UK VAT legislation being brought in.

Amazon wont be such a good e-tailer if they have a monopoly.

chasm

Hogzy wrote: »

Why don't you go look up your consumer rights specifically in relation to administration. HMV is not breaking any law in doing this. This is how business works. If there is a problem with the product you just bought then contact the manufacturer

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

RossyG

1ZRed wrote: »

YES!!! Me and my cousin have been waiting for this for years once whispers of HMV's decline started.


Can't wait to raid the clear out sales!

Don't forget to kick the staff in the teeth on the way out.

Hogzy

chasm wrote: »

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

You can still return it to the manufacturer though.

CruelCoin

OMG! :eek:

Did my pirating lead to this?

Ah-Bloo-Bloo-Waaah.

LoonyLovegood

I'm not going to miss HMV too much, they rarely have CDs I like, although their DVD offers were good. Went in there before Christmas to get stuff for my sister, got all of her CDs, went to pick up one for myself (The Band Perry), and it was €20. They do decent prices for mainstream products, but if you don't want something in the pop/rock range there, you're paying through the nose for it.

blackwhite

chasm wrote: »

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

In legal terms, the company that you previously dealt with is not still trading. The administrator is trading using the assets of the former company to try and either 1) maintain a business that can be sold to new investors and start again or 2) recoup as much cash as possible for the creditors of the failed company (which includes voucher-holders).

super_furry

Hogzy wrote: »

If HMV go then Amazon are going to have a near monopoly. Play.com is being shut down and I could see thehut group having to change tack as they are based in the Channel Islands and will be affected by the new UK VAT legislation being brought in.

Amazon wont be such a good e-tailer if they have a monopoly.

Zavvi.com are much cheaper and aren't going anywhere.

Timothy Bryce

HMV were incredibly cocky during the 2000's, sometimes charging €28 for an album. They fleeced customers for years and must have made a small fortune.

The writing was on the wall for years now and they refused to evolve.

I haven't been into a store in years. Why? Because all the movies/music I want are available online (legally) for a fraction of the cost. iTunes. Netflix and Spotify are all I need really.

I feel sorry for the employees, but for anyone with their finger on the pulse, it was always going to end like this.

C14N

Mr.S wrote: »

No, Netflix or iTunes.

Netflix is what, 7euro a month? for the price of ~1 dvd you can stream thousands of titles. Granted its not the newest releases, but iTunes can cover that!

Physical DVD / Bluray sales are going to be gone in ~5-10years, everything will move to On Demand / Streaming eventually.

I can stream thousands of titles that I don't actually want. Netflix still have a LOT of catching up to do with their films. If you're going with "iTunes can cover that" now you're back to square one, just paying iTunes instead of HMV (and usually paying them more if you want to keep it).

Bear in mind that this only works with sufficient internet speeds which a lot of people don't have.

ilovesleep wrote: »

As for online buying If I'm going to be buying a dvd online - I might as well buy some dirty, filthy depraved porn instead of a dvd from amazon

What? How has nobody else picked up on this bizarre statement? What are you talking about?

murpho999 wrote: »

I am amazed at the amount of people who have computers and internet but still buy CD's and DVD's?

On Sky News last week they covered the same item and people were saying 'Oh I prefer to have the physical device' or what if your hard disc gets damaged or what if you delete by accident.

Well apart from undelete, everything can be backed up in the cloud and retrieved anytime.

Also the likes of iTunes, your purchases are their always and can be retrieved at any time. So you can never lose anything.
Cheaper prices, good quality and instant delivery too. What more could you want?

The idea of having loads of space taken up by discs and the inability to play playlists that suit your own taste rather than being forced to listen to one disc at a time is awful to me now.

Embrace it people it's a great world once you go digital and it's not going to be stopped.

All good and well if you want to pay for excessive cloud storage. I have 160GB of music, do you have any idea how long that would take me to back up to the cloud? Literally weeks of non-stop uploading. Paying for 160GB from Google or Dropbox isn't exactly cheap either.

iTunes is ALWAYS more expensive than what I pay for CDs with inferior audio quality (iTunes likes to tout their lossy 256kbps as if it's the best thing going) and comes in AAC which I can't even play on all my devices. Can't listen to it in the car either. I would much rather pay less for full quality and additional flexibility.

Who is forcing you to not make playlists and listen one disc at a time? Do you not realise that you can actually rip CDs to your computer?

iTunes isn't an option at all to replace my Blu-rays. No 1080p, no lossless surround sound, horrendous prices, needs high speed internet, no thanks.

The world will most likely some use only downloaded content but we're not there yet and at the moment there are serious drawbacks to trying to go this route only.

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Allyall wrote: »

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

I don't understand what happened here. They just took his game? Was he buying it? Was he trading in? Was he just wandering around with a game in his hand and they stole it? Why did an 11 year old have seven games with gratuitous sexual content? Why was he there for a birthday party? What was he doing bringing games to a shopping mall to play? I really honestly have no idea what's happened here.

mathie

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

I haven't been into a store in years. Why? Because all the movies/music I want are available online (legally) for a fraction of the cost. iTunes. Netflix and Spotify are all I need really.

iTunes is a fraction of the cost of a CD in HMV?
I think not.

Netflix is great if you're into outdated and sparse content.

Spotify is gay.

super_furry

mathie wrote: »

Spotify is gay.

Great argument, well made. :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

VinLieger

Allyall wrote: »

The games back, no voucher. They were worth more than the voucher.

Still not entirely the stores fault, the parents have to shoulder some blame for not being aware of what their 11 year old was doing