Chartered Engineer Salary

godtabh

commited wrote: »

Interesting thread and a bit depressing as I'm pondering a return to Ireland. Is the job market really still that cut throat?





I find this confusing (although nothing about the Irish job market would surprise me) - 4 years experience @ €40-45k but 7 years experience @ €35-40k and 8 years experience €45k+?

One is speculation one is being offered

commited

godtabh wrote: »

One is speculation one is being offered

And a third is being earned? Seems like speculation is difficult when there is such a disparity in what earnings are across Engineering - seems like there is far too much luck involved.

godtabh

its not about luck. Its how competitive you are. My 8 years experience may not be a match to your 6. Any employer may deem my MBA worth more than your MSc. It all depends

tommyboru

Returning to Ireland is an insane move for an engineer established abroad. Stay where you are. You may get a job but you will be made redundant when you reach your 50s. Assuming that the standards of today will be what you receive later in your life is madness.

Stay where you are. Ireland is an economic colony. What is happening in the United States and other leading industrialised nations will happen in Ireland but will be far more severe. The Irish are politically expendible. You should have realised that already. It has happened throughout history and it will happen again. We are always put on the frontline of hell by our handlers, the British, the Americans, the Europeans. We've always been expended at will.

Seriously, do not come back here. It is fast becoming a socially-divided ghetto. Even if you get a decent salary your prospects are hopeless unless you are excellent at what you do. Ireland's uncompetitiveness will stunt your development and within a few years you will be unable to compete internationally. Eventually you will be replaced for a younger worker. You will be left go before you can afford to be. You will have no assets as your mortgage and costs will chew up all your salary. The business 'people' will try to convince you otherwise. Do not come here if you want to work as an engineer. €50k per year is useless to you; you cannot build an asset base and have a family.

For the love of God save your children. Stay away from this blighted place.

commited

Jaysus.

TimeToShine

tommyboru wrote: »

Returning to Ireland is an insane move for an engineer established abroad. Stay where you are. You may get a job but you will be made redundant when you reach your 50s. Assuming that the standards of today will be what you receive later in your life is madness.

Stay where you are. Ireland is an economic colony. What is happening in the United States and other leading industrialised nations will happen in Ireland but will be far more severe. The Irish are politically expendible. You should have realised that already. It has happened throughout history and it will happen again. We are always put on the frontline of hell by our handlers, the British, the Americans, the Europeans. We've always been expended at will.

Seriously, do not come back here. It is fast becoming a socially-divided ghetto. Even if you get a decent salary your prospects are hopeless unless you are excellent at what you do. Ireland's uncompetitiveness will stunt your development and within a few years you will be unable to compete internationally. Eventually you will be replaced for a younger worker. You will be left go before you can afford to be. You will have no assets as your mortgage and costs will chew up all your salary. The business 'people' will try to convince you otherwise. Do not come here if you want to work as an engineer. €50k per year is useless to you; you cannot build an asset base and have a family.

For the love of God save your children. Stay away from this blighted place.

This is brilliant

Eng86

Was just researching engineer salarys and came across this thread, have things changed much in the last 2/3 years with job opportinities/salarys in the market for you guys?

Ive been working as a structural engineering graduate for around 2 years in a design office for a big enough consultancy in dublin, was initially taken on at 23,000 and bumped up to 26,000 last summer.

Its still fairly tough going on 26k living and renting in dublin, things seem to be getting fairly busy now and ive seen a good few people jumping ship to other companies over the past year and starting to wonder if i should do similare to get a potential jump in pay.

How much would you expect to earn before getting chartered? Will probably go for IEI chartership in the next year or two and the i struct e at some stage after that.

Just trying to figure out the lay of the land i suppose, would be interested in hearing anyone in a similar positions experiences.

Alkers

Salaries have picked up massively at the junior end of the scale in the past two years. All down to a lack of quality people. There are graduates around but as someone with two years experience now behind you, you should be able to get a few offers from other companies. I would say I've had a different recruiter contact me on linked in almost monthly for the past 6 months.

Gumbo

Eng86 wrote: »

Was just researching engineer salarys and came across this thread, have things changed much in the last 2/3 years with job opportinities/salarys in the market for you guys?

Ive been working as a structural engineering graduate for around 2 years in a design office for a big enough consultancy in dublin, was initially taken on at 23,000 and bumped up to 26,000 last summer.

Its still fairly tough going on 26k living and renting in dublin, things seem to be getting fairly busy now and ive seen a good few people jumping ship to other companies over the past year and starting to wonder if i should do similare to get a potential jump in pay.

How much would you expect to earn before getting chartered? Will probably go for IEI chartership in the next year or two and the i struct e at some stage after that.

Just trying to figure out the lay of the land i suppose, would be interested in hearing anyone in a similar positions experiences.

just to give an idea, starting salary for a Graduate Engineer with 1 years experience in the LA here is €28,975, rising to €31,893, €35,437, €38,666 yearly. that's the limit for the scale.

jiminho

kceire wrote: »

just to give an idea, starting salary for a Graduate Engineer with 1 years experience in the LA here is €28,975, rising to €31,893, €35,437, €38,666 yearly. that's the limit for the scale.

And out of curiosity, what does an engineer working with the LA get put on after that scale limit has been reached?

Gumbo

jiminho wrote: »

And out of curiosity, what does an engineer working with the LA get put on after that scale limit has been reached?

They stay on that limit until they leave/get a promotion/new position/pay scales are increased nationally by the government.

The grades of engineers are
Graduate
Assistant
Executive
Senior executive
Senior (top position usually held by one person only)

godtabh

kceire wrote: »

They stay on that limit until they leave/get a promotion/new position/pay scales are increased nationally by the government.

The grades of engineers are
Graduate
Assistant
Executive
Senior executive
Senior (top position usually held by one person only)

Is there incremental pay rises for each grade every year or once you reach the top thats it until you get promoted

BlackEdelweiss

Has anyone any idea how much a fire engineer with 5 years experience could expect? All my experience is in New Zealand and I wont be chartered. Will this affect my chances of getting a job or my salary?

Gumbo

godtabh wrote: »

Is there incremental pay rises for each grade every year or once you reach the top thats it until you get promoted

Yes, if you are an executive engineer, for example, you have incremental pay rises every year for a predetermined amount of years, about 6ish for that position. But the last 2 scale points are 2 years each so it would take you about 8 years to reach the top point on the scale.

Once at that top point, you never get another increase unless a national wage agreement increases the scale points of your particular grade or you get a promotion.

The pay increases per year usually range from about €700 - €1000.

engineerfear1

I am considering applying for chartership this year. Should I expect a salary increase from my employer if I achieve chartered status or is that being too optimistic?

Dunphus

engineerfear1 wrote: »

I am considering applying for chartership this year. Should I expect a salary increase from my employer if I achieve chartered status or is that being too optimistic?

When you get chartered then ask for it. The worst they can say is no but at least you will know where you stand

cfosulli

In the boom times it used to add on a few k to a salary but not nowadays. It may be more likely to assist you in getting a promotion which in turn will lead to increased salary but it won't increase your salary in isolation (IMHO)