New Zebra crossings at celbridge concerns....

paddythe goat

delighted that new report on celbridge narrow liffey bridge is now available... to view in library beside aib....off main st celbridge....we have had many many reports maybe now we will get some action...

was conducted by rps consulting engineers based in dun laoghaire for kcc in naas... rumour is they got 40,000 euro for report...well done boys and girls....
about 100 pages long....they come up with plenty of options....some short term....some long term.....
1, short term..build new bridge at castletown gates...not going to happen....back of queue lads....
2. new bridge parallel to old bridge..same lay out, same stone matcging in with old bridge and mill complex....so we end up with 2 lanes into town and two lanes out of town...old bridge out...new bridge in....room for decent foootpaths and cycle lanes.
3. new bridge opposite grove estate and simmonstown estate heading across river to clane road at raphaels gateway..or into abbey car park on clane road...bit near large residential areas...and would have to cross liffey and mill race...very near old abbey hall and olde stone bridge...
so now over to you...take a look ...have a think...and let your local councillors know what you think...then your tds..then kcc roads dept....

Joe Public

I didn't get to the library yet but anything to do with a second bridge or widening the existing bridge would be a long term solution. A short term solution would be to provide cantilever type footways as in Chapelizod, remove the existing footpath and make Hazelhatch Rd. exit only.
That short term option may be in the report as it was submitted.

mloc123

One simple solution to the bottleneck on the bridge... remove the footpath on one side and have people use the pedestrian bridge only. It will make the bridge 2-3ft wider and allow buses and other large vehicles to pass each other.

paddythe goat

great....now if path removed we have extra full 3 ft.....would help but only very minor help.....when car a...is driving over bridge from main st...he/she wishes to turn to ardclough road direction....he /she holds up all traffic behind.....we need more lanes...one for turning right and up for progress towards lucan.......................

same on return journey....car b...comes over bridge from lucan area...wishes to swing right at bank of ireland heading towards castletown...often he/she can hold up several cars behind who are interested in going towards clane road....so add all this chaos together and u have holds ups most of the time in celbridge.....

we have not yet mentioned oil lorries, delivery business trucks, public buses, private buses, people with trailers,.....afraid its time for real extra width....extra lanes for traffic and pedestrains.....and do not forget all the people on bicycles.....we have put up with narrow bridge since 80s time now for health and safety reasons to improve access and egress for next 50 to 75 years....and yes we will need real ring road out near st wolstans school in next 10 years.....running from hatch to ardclough road to clane road and onwards to maynooth road, linking up with galway road, long term plan in rps report....will happen but not just yet...........see bridge in newbridge co kildare over liffey...we are likely to get similar to nice one at barnhall rugby club /salmon leap canoe club....which if kept close to our existing bridge would make lots of room for all to get in and out in reasonable good time, and not to forget we need safe pedestrian crossings..set back safe distance from new bridge....request lights similar to ones at church on main st middle of town...working well..................keep thinking....we will get there....thank you

Joe Public

I don't think immediate removal of footpath on the bridge would be acceptable, what would people who come around the corner from BOI do if they want to get to other side of the river?

Moving crossings further away from the bridge doesn't mean the people will follow, for example just observe how many people don't use the crossing near the Mucky Duck.

Davidth88

Guys, have you ever tried to cross the road as a pedestrian between the BOI and the ' Russian ' barbers ( as I call it ) , its impossible and dangerous.

I truly don't know what the answer is , the bridge down at the slip is a no go , and I am not sure what I feel about a bridge from the Ardclogh Rd through the St Raphaels land .

Possibly banning people turning down from the village towards Hazelhatch and have them go down towards the Supervalu lights may help ?

One things for sure the crossings there are downright dangerous and poorly positioned , it's a accident waiting to happen.

Riskymove

Davidth88 wrote: »

Guys, have you ever tried to cross the road as a pedestrian between the BOI and the ' Russian ' barbers ( as I call it ) , its impossible and dangerous.

just cross over to the AIB/SPAR side of the road at the crossings

Joe Public

Riskymove wrote: »

just cross over to the AIB/SPAR side of the road at the crossings

There's only one crossing on the Main St and that's back at The Centra.

Riskymove

Joe Public wrote: »

There's only one crossing on the Main St and that's back at The Centra.

yep that's right

although crossing the main st is a lot easier than trying to cross over the bridge to the barbers

Joe Public

Riskymove wrote: »

yep that's right

although crossing the main st is a lot easier than trying to cross over the bridge to the barbers

Maybe 10% would do the sensible thing.

paddythe goat

great that study is underway by rps consulting engineers on behalf of kcc in naas...delayed i understand until EIS is now finished which will give further information on all possible options to be considered by local reps and local councillors and maybe even local tds if they get time to join in.......

MAY NOT BE IN LIBRARY AND ON KILDARE CO CO SITE UNTIL FEBRUARY 2015/////????

we have waited a long time to speed up crossing the liffey in celbridge...another month or two will not cause much harm we hope....
good to see all options getting a fair crack....list advantages and disadvantages of each...no more closed minds please.....all will have supporters and dissenters....all must get fair play and have their say...............
hope we get bridge that will allow fair and safe passage for all...those in cars.buses, trucks, children going to school, persons on bicycles...persons out for a walk. people doing business on main st, people just wishing to move about with minimium delays, most of the time....
of course no one solution will rid celbridge of all delays but wider and proper bridge with proper width footpaths and cycle lanes would be great start.....that is one of the options....there are others....look forward to full read of report and eis report in due course

paddythe goat

got another look at draft report from rps consulting engineers dun laoghaire....was shocked to read it is they who were working to get bridge at castletown gates in 2009.....conflict of interests comes to mind.............would they have an agenda???
do they have an agenda??.....................wonder wonder......

how the hell did they get gig from kcc........would love to know who proposed them and who seconded that proposal??? that would be interesting.....any body know....please spill................
do we have any other similar companies in ireland??
who build super bridge up on galway road....who designed that one...no problems up there.......................................link to celbridge and castleown house and hp...all good.....any know.....name of company....??

why no aerial photos in rps report??
why no mock up photos on how each option would look?
why no details on exactly where they wish to break into ardclough road and where they wish to break out on clane road??
quality of photos in draft plan...very poor....like camera phone...maybe better in real report that will come soon with full EIS report.........?????????

paddythe goat

great to see long awaited report on narrow liffey bridge is finally available for all to see and read in the library...also on the web....under kildare co co and then roads dept...................200 pages long ............full of details..and 6 options on how to improve celbridge traffic flows....................go read and make up your mind...then contact kcc............and local councillors and all local tds asap.

paddythe goat

option 1.....try and improve present bridge by taking away small footpath...stick traffic lights on bridge again............do you remember what happened last time.....a disaster....maybe stick walkway on to one side of bridge for predestrians...............rps says only short term option........

option 2...........put in parallel bridge to old bridge....two lanes into town and two lanes out of town....mini roadabouts on each side..lucan side and main st....bridge to be built in sympathy to old bridge .same granite stone and matching in with mill complex....two new footpaths....two new cycle lanes....page 103 of report gives list of benefits to celbridge to economy.business and tourism....buses no longer get stuck on narrow bridge...

option 3a and 3b.....new bridge at castletown gates....4,000 objections last time....should not surprise rps..they were planners for last attempt.....

option 4....new bridge near esso petrol station on clane road over to ardclough road..tro abbey farm estate......

option 5...long term plan..new bridge close to wolstans school over to ardclough road at chelmsford estate...and on to newcastle road/hatch road....kind of mini ring road for whole town..probably will be needed in next 10 years................??

option 6..........rps choice...new bridge running from abbey car park near mill complex to ardclough road..near old abbey hall protected structure,,and near olde rock bridge( not in use)another protected structure....very close to grove estate entrance and simmonstown estate......lots of trees would need to be felled....has to cross liffey and mill race.....lose car park on clane road.........rps like this option....do u???

thats the choices...please pick which one u like....let kcc know in writing....roads dept/planning sections..........all local councillors in celbridge and leixlip area...and all local tds..............
good luck...................................................

Stealthirl

Link to the pdf is http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/RoadsandTransportation/TrafficManagementPlans/Celbridge%20River%20Crossong%20Feasibility%20Report%202015.pdf

In my opinion whats needed is a combination of 3a/3B with ether options 4,5 or 6 and upgrade the Newtown rd from the bridge to Templemills [Remove the boundary wall that is almost collapsed and has be patched extensively thus allowing a wider road,path and cycle way]
I know this Rd has a speed issue but if upgraded it could allow for traffic calming measures.
The existing bridge could be closed to traffic and become pedestrian/cycle way thus allowing preservation and removing a risky area/traffic hot spot.
Traffic could then flow around the Main St and only the traffic the needs to transit via the main street would be present if that makes sense.

An added bennifit would be the 67 bus could run up to Templemills across to Esso back via the Main St and onto the Maynooth Rd,a lot more estates would then be near to a bus stop and may remove congestion at the carry out bus stop.

Traffic using the Mynooth Rd would cross at the slip to get onto the Dublin Rd a filter lain for Castle town and the main street could be used or a mini roundabout

Click to get a slightly large version
Red is option 3B+4 with Newtown rd upgrade and is what i would like to see
Orange is option 5
Dark red is option 6

Celbridge Ring Rd by stealthirl, on Flickr

Hopefully that will make sense to someone,im off to bed now :cool:

paddythe goat

problems still exist...have read new bridge report in library in celbridge 7 options to improve traffic flows around main st....i like option number 2....new bridge close to and parallel to old bridge..similar design....two lanes into the town on new bridge...............2 lanes out of town on old bridge............plus new footpaths and new cycle lanes..rough deign to back of report..................plus new mini roundabouts on each side of bridge.....new pedestrian crossings with proper sightlines....................like it....but when ??? may we get this..................