Scrap the NCT

redhot

A new facebook page has been started "SCRAP THE NCT"

Search and "Like"- if you agree with that.

Lets see how many people agree, and whether people power can make a difference

Fact: "In 1983 British Columbia (Canada) suspended its periodic vehicle inspection program of light vehicles. Since that time there have been a number of requests to reinstate the program. The management consulting firm KPMG carried out a comprehensive review of vehicle inspection programs for the Government during 1994 (Holdstock et al, 1994). The review looked at North American experience, as described above. Further analyses were conducted into age effects and cost-effectiveness models were developed. The researchers were unable to detect any significant statistical relationship between the number of fatal accidents and the presence of vehicle inspection programs but noted that the results lacked statistical power making it difficult to discern real relationships."

Re-employ the NCT testers (nobody wants to see more people added to the dole queue) to conduct Breathaliser tests, and help enforce protection against the real killer on Irish Roads- drink driving

OldmanMondeo

Sorry, but I have seen the heaps of ****e that were on the road before the NCT. The NCT for all it's faults has removes many "Death Traps" from Irish roads. Maybe the NCT needs to be reviewed on an independent and constant basis, but to scrap it all together, no I would not agree.

For Forks Sake

Because 'liking' FB pages is a proven method of achieving ones goals :rolleyes:

colm_mcm

You can't be for real.
Before the nct, the condition of cars here was shocking. The only reason most people get steering or suspension problems fixed is the nct. I remember cars that had no floors that promptly disappeared once the nct came in,

There is no credible argument against vehicle testing.

redhot

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Sorry, but I have seen the heaps of ****e that were on the road before the NCT. The NCT for all it's faults has removes many "Death Traps" from Irish roads. Maybe the NCT needs to be reviewed on an independent and constant basis, but to scrap it all together, no I would not agree.

Disagree, the death traps are still there, they just don't bother taking them for an NCT test

(should qualify "death trap"- with some statistics, if anyone has them, numbers of cars whose wheels have fallen off, brakes failed etc and cause death etc)

dgt

Yes, facebonk is a dedicated motoring knowledgebase....

That won't happen and rightfully so

Guy:Incognito

redhot wrote: »

Disagree, the death traps are still there, they just don't bother taking them for an NCT test

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So should your page not be "Enforce the NCT"?

redhot

colm_mcm wrote: »

You can't be for real.
Before the nct, the condition of cars here was shocking. The only reason most people get steering or suspension problems fixed is the nct. I remember cars that had no floors that promptly disappeared once the nct came in,

There is no credible argument against vehicle testing.

./..WRONG


Yes there is, an independent assessment of the actual number of deaths caused by un roadworthy cars. Take BC Canada for example

redhot

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So should your page not be "Enforce the NCT"?

Not as the NCT currently stands, no.

Guy:Incognito

redhot wrote: »

./..WRONG


Yes there is, an independent assessment of the actual number of deaths caused by un roadworthy cars. Take BC Canada for example

So unless its actually killing someone then its fine?

Guy:Incognito

redhot wrote: »

Not as the NCT currently stands, no.

Your saying it should be scrapped, not reformed or anything else. Might need to make up your mind.

goz83

If the NCT worked properly, it would be fine, but it doesn't. It fails cars for things that have nothing to do with road safety. Loud exhausts and non-factory sun-visors for example. There needs to be some sort of safety check in place, but the NCT has shown itself to be incompetent on many occasions. My car recently failed for some corrosion on the rear of the chassis. I happen to know that the year previous, there was lots of corrosion and some holes needing welding. They passed it as it was...I then got lots of work done and they failed it in December (10 months after the previous pass) for the rear corrosion/holes. When I was getting that fixed, 2 more holes were spotted by the mechainic, which were not seen by the NCT inspector. Total joke of a system. God knows what other defects they miss while failing cars on a f**king sun visor!

For Forks Sake

https://www.facebook.com/ScrapTheNct/info

FB likes are not a petition. You want a proper online petition, go here: http://www.petitiononline.ie/

About

A petition using people power, to get the Minister for Transport in Ireland to scrap the NCT vehicle roadworthyness test, and concentrate on prevention of road deaths caused by drink driving, instead

F*cking hell

OldmanMondeo

redhot wrote: »

Disagree, the death traps are still there, they just don't bother taking them for an NCT test

(should qualify "death trap"- with some statistics, if anyone has them, numbers of cars whose wheels have fallen off, brakes failed etc and cause death etc)

That's why I said MANY, not all, but MANY. People who do not NCT their cars are driving then illegally and run the risk of fines and points. These people do not effect the NCT so would not be considered a reason to close the NCT down.

Also, the condition of older cars has improved. When I started driving cars about 10 - 12 years old would have been considered near end of life, probably similar as today, but you would find it hard to find a car older than this in good condition. I see many car on the roads today that look sound and they would be late 80's early 90's.

redhot

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Your saying it should be scrapped, not reformed or anything else. Might need to make up your mind.

Scrapped

OldmanMondeo

redhot wrote: »

Take BC Canada for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

:rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

redhot wrote: »

Scrapped

How does this work in to it so? This seems to suggest changes

redhot wrote: »

Not as the NCT currently stands, no.

OldmanMondeo

Just looked at this page, amazed at the amount of likes already, ONE.

Methinks op failed and is a little pee'd off...

redhot

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Just looked at this page, amazed at the amount of likes already, ONE.

Methinks op failed and is a little pee'd off...

maybe its just too hard for people to get their heads around, too scary

I noticed a massive drop in pre-87 cars when the NCT came in. I wouldn't agree that it should be scrapped, but some of the things they fail you on are ridiculous. The one which comes to mind is if you have a reg plate that doesn't have the county name in Irish on it.

Someone mentioned failing you on exhaust noise, well we're not the only ones. I just saw an episode of Wheeler Dealers last week where they were trying to get a kit car through its IVA test, and that had a limit of 100dB on exhaust noise. They scraped past it (99.8dB I believe).

OldmanMondeo

redhot wrote: »

maybe its just too hard for people to get their heads around, too scary

So only 1 brave soul like this page? Do you have an honest reason to why the NCT should be scrapped? Do you see any benefits to the NCT? Did you set that page up?

OldmanMondeo

Oh dear, no likes now....

corktina

i'm not even going to bother going to the page and nor will most people who support rigorous car testing.

redhot

Possibly too much of a challenge for people to understand why scrapping the NCT would make to difference to road deaths on Irish roads..

Shame

OldmanMondeo

corktina wrote: »

i'm not even going to bother going to the page and nor will most people who support rigorous car testing.

I had a look, 1 post and 1 removed like.

monkeypants

The OP has a point. We should scrap the NCT and install some sort of honour system, self regulation if you will, which has worked so well in other areas of Irish society.

/ Sarcasm

Kenny Logins

They should scrap the driving test too. I've heard of loads of people that failed on stupid stuff...

meoklmrk91

I think it should be reformed and cost less, in fairness it doesn't take every long and when you consider how many cars are going through each centre, each day and then all the centres in the country then they have to be making a minter on it in fairness and then you have the retests. The amount of cars going around with out of date NCT's is shocking, also no need for the over 10 years once a year testing, it's rediculous. Yes the NCT has its place and is saving lives and that is a good thing but why do they have to turn everything into a money racket?

Cungi

redhot wrote: »

Possibly too much of a challenge for people to understand why scrapping the NCT would make to difference to road deaths on Irish roads..

Shame

Typical. Come up with a stupid idea and then when you're told it's stupid, throw your toys out of the pram and accuse everyone else of being stupid.

Scrapping the NCT is a moronic idea. Reforming it is a perfectly good one.

Methinks the OP is pissed that his car failed recently.
(Mine passed a week ago with no issues :P )

colm_mcm

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

. Yes the NCT has its place and is saving lives and that is a good thing but why do they have to turn everything into a money racket?

Who's making money out of the nct?

CreepingDeath

colm_mcm wrote: »

Who's making money out of the nct?

www.nct.ie wrote:

Applus+ is a leading company in testing, inspection, certification and technological services and the first Spanish multinational in the certification sector.

And the testers were making a few quid on the side rubber stamping unsafe cars too!

colm_mcm

Point is, the nct isn't a racket. Applus don't make the rules either

Sitec

goz83 wrote: »

If the NCT worked properly, it would be fine, but it doesn't. It fails cars for things that have nothing to do with road safety. Loud exhausts and non-factory sun-visors for example. There needs to be some sort of safety check in place, but the NCT has shown itself to be incompetent on many occasions. My car recently failed for some corrosion on the rear of the chassis. I happen to know that the year previous, there was lots of corrosion and some holes needing welding. They passed it as it was...I then got lots of work done and they failed it in December (10 months after the previous pass) for the rear corrosion/holes. When I was getting that fixed, 2 more holes were spotted by the mechainic, which were not seen by the NCT inspector. Total joke of a system. God knows what other defects they miss while failing cars on a f**king sun visor!

Sun visors block the drivers vision so that is a safety concern. Loud exhausts are annoying, especially in a built up area at 2am.

redhot

Sitec wrote: »

Sun visors block the drivers vision so that is a safety concern. Loud exhausts are annoying, especially in a built up area at 2am.

Safety concern...my arse

Eric Cartman

To be fair the nct is mostly a good idea, I remember being in vans and cars with damaged B/C pillars, collapsed rear suspension, holes in the floor you could see through when I was a kid, im glad those are gone.

The exhaust volume, front window tinting, and reg plates I dont agree with the nct rules on , aside from that its a fairly good idea. Irish people unfortunately wouldnt look after cars otherwise , the nct is a good way to ensure a car is probably seen by a mechanic atleast once every 2 years.

CJhaughey

The main suggestion I would make is that there should be more than one testing organisation.
Having a monopoly is no good for any industry, be it car testing or selling fuel.
If there was three licensees like there is in other countries of a similar size then there would be better competition and service would likely improve.
Despite what they say, its a fair drive to some NCT stations.

monkeypants

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Yes the NCT has its place and is saving lives and that is a good thing but why do they have to turn everything into a money racket?

Probably something to do with capitalism. Don't agree with it myself. The testers should just get a bag of onions to share, with a cooked chicken for the centre manager.

OldmanMondeo

redhot wrote: »

Safety concern...my arse

So, what your car fail on?

CrowdedHouse

OP be like me - never did an NCT

Never had a car old enough

dgt

Sitec wrote: »

Sun visors block the drivers vision so that is a safety concern.

Now this is a part I don't fully agree with... In my car for example, I can have the sun shades down to block the sun. However, where the mirror is the sun shines in and blinds me at times. A very small visor would stop that but I'm not allowed to have one under some law. Marvellous!

frozenfrozen

In fairness you see a load of ****ebuckets driving around and if you don't leave a tenner in the glove compartment you get held up on 0.1mm wheel alignment and have to repeat, instead of just being told everything else was fine and to get the alignment fixed

redhot

my car passed actually, even with a defective brake light (which I noticed later that day), but they didn't spot that. My other car passed last year, I have a couple of shock absorber dust covers missing, that's a new test area according to the 2012 NCT manual- my test is due soon. Its not going to cause any accidents or injury IMHO, just a hole in my pocket as the struts will wear a little quicker than usual (no drama, I only do around 1000km per year in that car),

coolbeans

The NCT isn't all about safety you know. They test emissions and noise for obvious and valid reasons. Suppose air quality and the like are of little concern to the op.

Sure it's all a racket, they're out to get us all, we the ordinary, downtrodden men of Ireland. Poor us.

nct tester

redhot wrote: »

my car passed actually, even with a defective brake light (which I noticed later that day), but they didn't spot that. My other car passed last year, I have a couple of shock absorber dust covers missing, that's a new test area according to the 2012 NCT manual- my test is due soon. Its not going to cause any accidents or injury IMHO, just a hole in my pocket as the struts will wear a little quicker than usual (no drama, I only do around 1000km per year in that car),

incorrect

slimjimmc

nct tester wrote: »

incorrect

So why does Section 46 (page 74) of the May 2012 state one of the reasons for failure as

Dust cover is missing or severely deteriorated.

Does that only apply to suspension components other than shock absorbers?



[Edit] Perhaps I misunderstood. Are you referring to the bit that says its a new requirement in 2012 (which I'd agree with you) or the bit that says the dust cover is a fail?[/edit]

Supergurrier

Keeps s*itbox cars off the road = Good thing

ardmacha

The exhaust volume, front window tinting, and reg plates I dont agree with the nct rules on ,

These are not "NCT" rules, these are requirements for vehicles to be on the road. It is quite appropriate for the NCT to check any requirement imposed on vehicles.

This is an especially useless thread, as the EU require vehicle standards, which is why the NCT was introduced. There is a case for making testing more consistent, and that's about it.

OldmanMondeo

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

............

Methinks op failed and is a little pee'd off...

Forgot to take his wheeltrims off I'd say.

awec

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JimmyCrackCorn

Before NCT i saw cars with holes in the floor on the road.

NCT while not the best test in the world at least it removes neglect heaps from the road and at least forces people to service the car once every 4 years....:D

Andrewf20

Another advantage of the NCT is the piece of mind it offers when it comes to buying privately 2nd hand.

Although its a bit of a pain sometimes, im happy to keep it.