How will you choose between MS & Sony's new consoles?

Mr Freeze

ussjtrunks wrote: »

Still think they could sell the xbone for 399 if they had a sku without kinect hopefully they see sense

Could happen yet, we've had one big change in direction, we could get another.

Nobody really wants Kinect.

Kirby

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Could happen yet, we've had one big change in direction, we could get another.

Nobody really wants Kinect.

People want what Kinect stands for, they just don't want Kinect in it's current incarnation.

Motion control, voice control. People have jizzed over this stuff for years and will continue to do so. But in it's current format, the Kinect offers the dumbed down, slightly retarded version of this.

The motion tracking isn't sophisticated enough and the sheer amount of lag involved ruins it completely. It means you can only develop shovel ware for it. No AAA title can use it as it's just not accurate or responsive enough.

You saw what happened with RYSE. Originally a Kinect only title and it was a complete mess. The developers said "Screw this, I'm not spending my time and money developing this when it's going to end up like Kinect Star wars". And they were right. RYSE is visually fantastic so it would be a crying shame to see people flail about.

I think people are worried about the monitoring situation aswell. I don't want Microsoft having an always on camera in my front room, especially one that can't be turned off. And if Kinect can't be disconnected, it can't be turned off. Anything said to the contrary is just double-speak.

ShooterSF

I'm assuming the must keep kinect plugged in is so that developers know you haven't just sold your kinect to some PC hobbyist and if they somehow develop a good use for it people won't refuse to buy the game because oops they sold their kinect 6 months ago.

Now I wouldn't have high hopes for a good kinect game but this reason seems less tinfoil hat than MS want to watch me 24/7.

Mitch Connor

Im glad Kinect is in the deal because at least all developers know they can use it in their games - even if just for voice commands.

As for the privacy issue - it really doesnt concern me.

MS say that it won't be uploading info online you dont want it to, and it wont be recording you etc. I believe them simply because if they are lying hackers will find this out very quickly and they will be in an absolute sh1t storm. No just from people whinging about it - but from people taking them to court over such lies and invasion of privacty. Hell, if they were using it for monitoring and didn't want to get their asses sued to hell they would have to have it in the EULA - and you can be sure there will be people reading that very carefully.

Im no great fan of motion games - don't see the appeal, but I think Kinect could be used beyond flailing arms and looking like an idiot, so I am glad it will be in the box from the off so that developers know they can really experiment with it - cause there is potential in the tech.

VinLieger

I dont want kinect plain and simple and forcing it to be part of the console when ive no interest playing games on it in its current state i think is just pointless. If it improved in a few years down the line and there were decent games for it yeah grand people should have the OPTION to get one but as it stands its just another reason thats pushing people into the PS4 camp

Grumpypants

_Puma_ wrote: »

You mean they have removed the extra layer of DRM to revert back to what is built in inherently on discs already and how it has worked for every single games console and most application software up to now.
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No the disk was purely a method of delivery for those who can't download 20GB files online. Or like on Launch day when I get 5 games it will take a month for me to download all 5 games from the market place. Where as if I had the disk I could install them in an hour.

There was only 1 layer of DRM it was on the licence server. Once the disk was installed you could throw it away if you wanted.
The PS4 only has 1 layer of DRM it is on the disk.

How is it an extra layer of DRM? How is one more than one in your world?

As you say the server could go down, but don't you also run the risk of breaking your disk, loosing your disk, having your disk stolen, giving your disk to a friend, your Blu ray lens malfunctioning. All of which will render your game useless.

_Puma_

Grumpypants wrote: »

No the disk was purely a method of delivery for those who can't download 20GB files online. Or like on Launch day when I get 5 games it will take a month for me to download all 5 games from the market place. Where as if I had the disk I could install them in an hour.

There was only 1 layer of DRM it was on the licence server. Once the disk was installed you could throw it away if you wanted.
The PS4 only has 1 layer of DRM it is on the disk.

How is it an extra layer of DRM? How is one more than one in your world?

As you say the server could go down, but don't you also run the risk of breaking your disk, loosing your disk, having your disk stolen, giving your disk to a friend, your Blu ray lens malfunctioning. All of which will render your game useless.

It is there already on the disc. I cant make a copy of the discs and install it from the copy.

Ya cant have the benefits of both without limiting people from handing the disc to someone else once they have installed. The problem is this limitation was too contrived and merely puts up more barriers for consumers by introducing extra layers of DRM.

FlyingIrishMan

Grumpypants wrote: »

As you say the server could go down, but don't you also run the risk of breaking your disk, loosing your disk, having your disk stolen, giving your disk to a friend, your Blu ray lens malfunctioning. All of which will render your game useless.

Not a fair comparison. If you break you personally break something then it is your responsibility. However if something happens at MS that renders your 500$ console useless then thats not your fault and you should complain.

Grumpypants

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Not a fair comparison. If you break you personally break something then it is your responsibility. However if something happens at MS that renders your 500$ console useless then thats not your fault and you should complain.

Your right if the server goes down you should complain, i'm just saying there are scenarios with both systems that will render your games useless.

FlyingIrishMan

Grumpypants wrote: »

Your right if the server goes down you should complain, i'm just saying there are scenarios with both systems that will render your games useless.

But one is your fault, the other is the server owners fault. The two can't really be compared, you can't blame Sony for you breaking your discs.

ShadowHearth

Grumpypants wrote: »

You just said you will not miss any of the features that Microsoft just removed. One of the features removed was the ability to install a game from disk then play it without the disk in the same way steam works.

If steam removed that feature would you miss it?

It is strange to see the same people who have been harping on about how amazing PC gaming is because of digital gaming thanks to Steam are now popping up here saying a disk based DRM system is not something that concerns them.

If I want that I will buy digital copy of game. To make it better I will be able to play it offline. So they did not removed it, but made it better.

C14N

Honestly, forcing Kinect to be bundled with the thing and always plugged makes sense for MS. You could always just stick it behind the TV but most people won't. The fact that it needs to be there means that you won't just sell it or put it in a cupboard to never use and if it breaks, you will get it replaced.

Nobody really wants to be bothered with Kinect right now, neither publishers nor consumers. The only way it will get anywhere is if people have to use it and then maybe it will improve and some people will actually like it. I don't think I'll ever want it because even when stuff like voice commands work I usually find it easier just pushing buttons but they clearly want this to be a big "cool feature" on the XBO and not just a gimmick for some awful shovelware games.

Richard Dower

DeSelby83 wrote: »

I understand people's reaction to kinect being forced upon us but the while idea that we can be spyed on through it is nothing new. For all those people who are concerned about it you better cover up your webcam if you have one and block your mic in laptop or computer because the exact same is possible through them.

There could be a great third party product to be made here, a anti spyware cover, a Kinect-less ducktape or some such product to cover the spying little blighter

gavmcg92

Richard Dower wrote: »

There could be a great third party product to be made here, a anti spyware cover, a Kinect-less ducktape or some such product to cover the spying little blighter

Or a 3rd party "box" that connects to the xbox and fakes the kinect.

NTMK

gavmcg92 wrote: »

Or a 3rd party "box" that connects to the xbox and fakes the kinect.

a 9v battery will hopefully do the trick

Otacon

Richard Dower wrote: »

There could be a great third party product to be made here, a anti spyware cover, a Kinect-less ducktape or some such product to cover the spying little blighter

gavmcg92 wrote: »

Or a 3rd party "box" that connects to the xbox and fakes the kinect.

Let's petition Nyko to create a Kinect port plug. When the Xbone requests a response from the device, it just sends back an audio signal saying "PORN! PORN! PORN!".

I'd like to see what their market research would lead to then!

Richard Dower

Otacon wrote: »

It isn't up-gradable but you can use external storage. No clarification on whether the external storage can be used for game installs though.

I'll bet you 1 billion dollars it wont allow game installs on external storage....wait and see!

Richard Dower

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Tell me they fired Don Mattrick!!!

That's a head I want to see roll.

Did anyone get fired?

NTMK

Richard Dower wrote: »

Did anyone get fired?

not yet they'll probably be given a month and see where the pre-orders and media stand and then i'd expect Mattrick and less likely Hryb to be "resigned" due to the way they handled PR and mattricks running of Xbox

Richard Dower

And can we pleas get REAL here....idiots on the internet whining did NOT change MS mind on DRM....the numbers did!, they saw the preorder numbers and panicked!

Large companies dont bow to fanboys unless it hurts their bottom line!!

Mr Freeze

^ Those whinging idiots as you call them, did not pre-order, hence the change in direction from MS.

Zero-Cool

But it's the whining internet who preorder things and they spoke with their wallets...or didn't. They refused to pre-order or moved to PS4 pre-order and MS reacted.

Beefy78

What a strange post..!

_Puma_

Richard Dower wrote: »

And can we pleas get REAL here....idiots on the internet whining did NOT change MS mind on DRM....the numbers did!, they saw the preorder numbers and panicked!

Large companies dont bow to fanboys unless it hurts their bottom line!!

I agree it was the lack of pre orders that changed their minds but who are the people who didn't pre order that otherwise would have, the people posting on these very forums.

Its funny a lot of the staunch defenders of Xbox One were launching accusations that it was all Sony fanboys putting down the Xbox one, when the biggest Xbox supporters and commentators, like angry Joe, were also launching stinging attacks on it, who in turn got labelled as a Sony fanboy. Look at the eurogamer article comments, complete turn around. Moron xbox fanboys labelling eurogamer as biased to sony when just last year it was the moron sony fanboys labelling them as biased to Microsoft.

Fanboyism is probably the most embarrassing thing about the gaming industry and the technology industry in general.

Otacon

_Puma_ wrote: »

Fanboyism is probably the most embarrassing thing about the gaming industry and the technology industry in general.

Do you honestly think it is something isolated to these two industries?

Zero-Cool

A friend of mine pre-ordered a ps4 in gamestop and the guy said they had 30 preorders for xbox one and 24 of them moved to ps4. It's not a myth or just people on forums, it's actually happening and MS had to respond with something.

Mr Freeze

_Puma_ wrote: »

Fanboyism is probably the most embarrassing thing about the gaming industry and the technology industry in general.

Fact.

But maybe the xbox fanboys aren't as bad as people make them out to be, they didn't stand by MS on the DRM stuff, and they were vocal about it, and they still don't stand by the price, and Kinect being included.

No doubt, some Sony fans got in there too, kicking the XBOX One while it was down.

I am a 360 owner, and one console is enough for me, I was looking forward to the 360s successor, and yip, I thought its announcement and DRM, price, etc was a massive let down, I have no interest in switching to the PS4, I'd sooner stay with my 360.

Richard Dower

Otacon wrote: »

Do you honestly think it is something isolated to these two industries?

Not at all, tv shows have fanboys, every form of entertainment does.

NTMK

Richard Dower wrote: »

Not at all, tv shows have fanboys, every form of entertainment does.

every aspect of life has that.
Politics,Religion, Food,cars,sports the list goes on

C14N

Mr Freeze wrote: »

But maybe the xbox fanboys aren't as bad as people make them out to be, they didn't stand by MS on the DRM stuff, and they were vocal about it, and they still don't stand by the price, and Kinect being included.

Those weren't really the "fanboys" though, they were mostly just people who like video games and picked a 360 last time. The real fanboys were the ones who stood by the decisions and stand by the new decisions now because that's what being a fanboy is about.