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50th Episode - Here there be Spoilers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Coldzone wrote: »
    I've just watched it again and Tom Baker stole the show! !!!!!

    I thought Tom's appearance was totally wasted (as was the appearance of mascara Rose).

    At least Tom could have offered Matt a Jelly Baby as a nod to the past?

    The_Doctor_offering_jelly_babies.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭jasonb


    Yep, the Daily Mail review is terrible, and not in a scathing way, more in a badly written way! Apart from complaining about missing X Factor, it got basic facts about the episode wrong (Billie Piper does *not* play 'Rose, who is the Doctor's conscience'!).

    That makes sense about Smith's Doctor remembering as the time line is his present (well, at least as much sense as anything involving time travel does! :) ).

    Regarding some of Baker's lines at the end ('And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few. Just the old favourites of course.'), would it be reading into them too much to suggest they might be a subtle little dig at Ecclestone? They revisited some old faces last night, but Ecclestone wasn't one of them, not one of the favourite as it were...

    I think it's safe to say that Capaldi is now the 13th Doctor, we saw 12 of them at the very end and as someone pointed out, even 'all 12, no, 13' (or words to that effect) were said during the episode. It'll be fun to see how Internet fora handle the change, will Hurt just become 9 and everyone else move up one, or will some sort of 8.5 be used? :) I'll be going for 9 myself. Sure, we'll see what official Merchandise starts calling them all...

    I forgot to say, I love the scene with the Doctors figuring out a very clever way to open the door, using all 400 years of experience, but then the door wasn't even locked! And, of course, it wasn't locked 'cos the Queen wasn't the alien. Which brings me back to an earlier question: if she wasn't the alien, why was she continuing to go through with the Alien's plan and sending them to the future? :)

    J.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    By the way people I've decided in my own personal canon that the curator is an ancient elder of the universe that can be found in galleries and museums across space and time should a person really need to.

    However he does not always wear the same face, and has therefore also been Bill Nighy and John Cleese.

    As personal canon of course this is 100% correct and exactly what Moffat was intending :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Something else that registers...

    Am I right in saying that when The Master helped the Doctor send the timelords back during Tennant's finale, he went back to Gallifrey with them? And as such, now that it's coming back, he can come back too?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Io9 has what I think to be a fairly interesting review, pointing out the parallels between the zygons and the doctor, and that the aliens' presence in the story wasn't entirely arbitrary or fan-service for the sake of it. I thought it made for a good read, tying together motifs and themes I honestly didn't pick up on as I watched (for instance, moffat mocking his own invention of "timey wimey")

    http://io9.com/the-great-hero-of-the-doctor-who-anniversary-special-is-1470394088


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    flazio wrote: »
    Everyone who was in screen 8 in the Eye, thank you. Best Experience Ever.
    Was at the third row from the front of the screen, loved the English guy shouting "Who turned off the lights?" and then, the quote I found even funnier but didn't get a laugh, right before Grax came on screen "Silence will fall!". No, it was great. Everyone was laughing, gasping and clapping, although the clap for Calpadi was a bit too much IMO. But a great 85 minutes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I just read that Daily Mail "review". What an absolute heap of nonsense, clearly written by someone with no interest or real knowledge of those show.

    X-Factor... Jackass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    jasonb wrote: »
    I think it's safe to say that Capaldi is now the 13th Doctor, we saw 12 of them at the very end and as someone pointed out, even 'all 12, no, 13' (or words to that effect) were said during the episode. It'll be fun to see how Internet fora handle the change, will Hurt just become 9 and everyone else move up one, or will some sort of 8.5 be used? :) I'll be going for 9 myself. Sure, we'll see what official Merchandise starts calling them all...

    The Time War will be overshadowed by the Wikipedia Edit War.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Something else that registers...

    Am I right in saying that when The Master helped the Doctor send the timelords back during Tennant's finale, he went back to Gallifrey with them? And as such, now that it's coming back, he can come back too?

    No one knows what happened to the Master. He went to plot device hotel where the Joker and Megatron hang out whenever they disappear in mysterious circumstances at the end of a story!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭Killer_banana


    When the reviewer is annoyed at having to miss x factor I automatically stop taking the rest seriously.
    When it's in the Daily Mail I automatically stop taking it seriously.
    jasonb wrote: »
    Regarding some of Baker's lines at the end ('And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few. Just the old favourites of course.'), would it be reading into them too much to suggest they might be a subtle little dig at Ecclestone? They revisited some old faces last night, but Ecclestone wasn't one of them, not one of the favourite as it were...

    I took that line as meaning in later regenerations he'll take on new version of old faces (explaining why Tom looked older than he ever was as the Doctor). But then that would possibly require Tom to come back at some point depending how long the show lasts so who knows. You never can tell with Moffat. I think Eccleston is among a lot of peoples favourites. He's one of mine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,276 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Went to it in the Coolock Odeon where there were a few people cosplaying as 12 and a girl dressed as a Cyberman. The little man loved it even if he didn't quite understand it all, most of his favourite bits would have been bits that passed beneath my radar e.g.: the Doctor hanging off the bottom of the TARDIS, the Dalek blasting through the picture etc.

    Absolutely loved it. Some lovely nods to the original including the clock outside the school showing 5:15, the original airing time of An Unearthly Child.

    I'd be another that thought Ecclestone's absence reflected poorly on him. Unless he was being passed up for other stuff by the BBC after due to bad blood over his quitting the show and therefore had some justifiable gripe with them it seems rather petty not to show up for half a day of filming for the series that remains the largest profile role he's had in his career to date.

    "All 13" could have a very simple explanation: The Doctor believes he only has 12 regenerations until the very end of Capaldi's doctor, 13 (or he at least only discovers his extra regenerations post this event in his timeline) . Not knowing he has regenerations beyond that point, none of the doctors before or up to 13 would be aware of any future doctors so couldn't contact them for assistance and any future doctors would know they weren't needed as 1 - 13 were sufficiently able to do the job the "first time" around.

    The Tom Baker scene made no sense at all but no matter how dodgy the excuse they come up with for it, it was brilliantly worthwhile imo. If you really expect air-tight internal logic from Doctor Who after 50 years you've rather missed the point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Callipo


    Loved it. I started watching the series originally when Tom was the Doctor. Spent a lot of the time behind the couch though :/

    From the moment this episode started in the same way as An Unearthly Child, I started smiling and didn't stop.

    Here is to enjoying many more years of Doctor Who. Because, you know, Who knows?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    jasonb wrote: »
    I forgot to say, I love the scene with the Doctors figuring out a very clever way to open the door, using all 400 years of experience, but then the door wasn't even locked! And, of course, it wasn't locked 'cos the Queen wasn't the alien. Which brings me back to an earlier question: if she wasn't the alien, why was she continuing to go through with the Alien's plan and sending them to the future? :)

    J.

    She couldn't defeat them in her time, the best way to defeat them was to get the Doctor to do it in the future. So she let them lock themselves away in stasis and then put orders in place to have the stasis paintings hidden away and to have the Doctor brought in when something happened (i.e. the aliens coming back out of stasis), which brings us neatly back to the Doctor being summoned by UNIT at the start of the episode.

    Quite clever by Moffat really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 760 ✭✭✭mach1982


    Some of that link gave me a laugh:
    "Given that it was so special, it made the decision to screen it at 7.50pm after Strictly and directly opposite The X Factor all the more perverse and, frankly, annoying."

    When the reviewer is annoyed at having to miss x factor I automatically stop taking the rest seriously.

    What would you expect from a paper that cares more about z- list celebs. Theses type people see sici-fi fans in general as , geeks and nerds , some thing to be ridiculed . They view importance on wealth, stupidity and ignorance, we view importance on intelligence ,individualism and acceptance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Ron Burgundy !


    correct me if i'm wrong but all 13 doctors came together to save gallifrey right? what i'm wondering is how did that work ? even if tennant and john hurt forgot saving gallifrey wouldn't the other doctors remember it therefore making tennant and hurt remember? other that that moffat did a good job tying loose ends up for once. I was grinning the whole way through the special very well done :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    correct me if i'm wrong but all 13 doctors came together to save gallifrey right? what i'm wondering is how did that work ? even if tennant and john hurt forgot saving gallifrey wouldn't the other doctors remember it therefore making tennant and hurt remember? other that that moffat did a good job tying loose ends up for once. I was grinning the whole way through the special very well done :)


    I could explain it to you, but its all timey wimey wibbly wobbly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 760 ✭✭✭mach1982


    When it's in the Daily Mail I automatically stop taking it seriously.



    I took that line as meaning in later regenerations he'll take on new version of old faces (explaining why Tom looked older than he ever was as the Doctor). But then that would possibly require Tom to come back at some point depending how long the show lasts so who knows. You never can tell with Moffat. I think Eccleston is among a lot of peoples favourites. He's one of mine.

    The Doctor saves Gallfrey, and he will at some point bring it back.As a reward they might give him a new regeneration cycle , or allow him to chooses one to retire with .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Some of that link gave me a laugh:
    "Given that it was so special, it made the decision to screen it at 7.50pm after Strictly and directly opposite The X Factor all the more perverse and, frankly, annoying."

    When the reviewer is annoyed at having to miss x factor I automatically stop taking the rest seriously.

    A singing completion where the singers cannot sing, and neither can most of the judges either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Achilles wrote: »
    I still think Moffat is using this as a vehicle to rewrite the time war and bring back the timelords.

    I seem to recall reading or seeing a few interviews with Moffat expressing disappointment that the timelords were killed off and of him being tired of the doctor being this lonely sad old man as a consequence.

    I'd just like to point out that I totally called it. :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭Killer_banana


    Achilles wrote: »
    I'd just like to point out that I totally called it. :P

    I had feeling it might be the case but it was more built on blind hope than anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Saw it in the cinema yesterday, but decided I'd come in after the mad explosion of comments :D

    Well I absolutely love it. It was a great episode, made even better by the experience of watching it with a well-behaved crowd, and hearing their reaction to events and being able to react yourself - hard to get yourself excited if you're watching it alone in your living room :D

    I just can't describe how much I loved it, I can't think of any faults, and I'm still in the post-episode delight mode and don't want to spoil it by people pointing out all the faults and plot holes, so I'll just sit quietly and wallow in my memories for now, and not think about what went wrong

    I never watched the same episode two days in a row, but I will be rewatching the repeat tonight


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    Phew. Finally at a full keyboard. :pac:

    I thoroughly enjoyed it. The experience of being in a room with so many fans, all seeing it for the first time was something else. I was sorry my son wasn't just a little older as it would have been a great experience for him if he would have been able to be there.

    I thought the usual Moffat style of having lots going on benefited hugely from the extra length to play with. I wasn't sitting there trying to keep up, there was plenty going on and plenty of time to process it during. I thought it was pretty tidy all told. I thought the Zygon element was a bit under-done, but I realised today that it wasn't about the Zygons.

    I've always felt that Moffat was keen to undo how the Doctor's character was re-introduced in 2005 and bring him back to how he was before. Dismantling the Lonely God and we're finally in sight of the destination. He didn't burn them. He's not the Last of the Time Lords anymore. (Time to change the forum sub-header!)

    I actually really like how Moffat has done it over time, peppering small nods here and there. The Doctor's room in the God Complex for example, his greatest fear, the man with his hand on the button.

    I loved that he changed the accepted image of Gallifrey from a planet full of people 'as bad as the Daleks' by focusing on the innocents. (I'm reminded of the prequel to Asylum of the Daleks, where the Daleks were contacting him through his dreams and brought him to a room in which he wanted to leave immediately. It had that same sound of children's laughter we heard last night) 2.4 billion children he thought he murdered. Imagine living with that, and imagine that burden being lifted.

    The banter between the Doctors was great too. The slagging over the Zygons' venomous tongues was great. I loved Ten letting out the Oncoming Storm at the rabbit. :D

    As for the Doctor numbering. I'm sticking with the old way for now. I'll see how Moffat and the BBC refer to Peter Capaldi's Doctor come Christmas. I think it would be too confusing to renumber, personally.

    I'm sure I'll have more thoughts than the above in the coming days. We watched it for a second time this morning with the youngfella. He's been playing Time Lords all day since. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,548 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    I just finished watching, and I didn't think it was great... strong start, poor middle, OK ending.
    Fun script (in places), but more sh**ty rubber-faced aliens.

    I'd been looking forward to this all weekend too.

    /runs away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭Killer_banana


    In regards numbering I can see Capaldi being called 13 but the rest staying the same since their 'names' are so ingrained in our mind as it is. We know now though Capaldi is truly the 13th though so I can see him being called so. As Das said though, I'll see how the BBC choose to do it.

    One thing I remembered earlier today, how Clara lived was never dealt with, not even in a throwaway comment. We saw the Doctor save her at the end of The Name of the Doctor but it wasn't explained then either. I'm not trying to be super picky, as I said earlier I get why other people are happy to ignore plotholes, but that seems like a really big one to me. It was built up to over a season and then undone without telling us how, I'm surprised it wasn't dealt with even partly. I know sometimes the 'how' isn't explained but it seems like a pretty important 'how'. Of course it could be dealt with later, after all I'd given up on the Silence arc ever being finished and yet it looks like it will be now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Mr E wrote: »
    I just finished watching, and I didn't think it was great... strong start, poor middle, OK ending.
    Fun script (in places), but more sh**ty rubber-faced aliens.

    I'd been looking forward to this all weekend too.

    /runs away.


    EXTERMINATE!!! :P


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    'Timey Wimey!!!' - still smiling about that.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Mr E wrote: »
    I just finished watching, and I didn't think it was great... strong start, poor middle, OK ending.
    Fun script (in places), but more sh**ty rubber-faced aliens.

    I'd been looking forward to this all weekend too.

    /runs away.

    Fair enough that you didn't like it as much as others, we all have our opinions, but for the bit in bold ... seriously?
    Have you never watched Dr. Who before today? :D
    Manach wrote: »
    'Timey Wimey!!!' - still smiling about that.
    "Timey ... what? Timey Wimey?"
    "I've no idea where he picks that stuff up"
    ...
    "Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols!"

    I really hope Hurt's jabs at the 2 later docs are signs we might see a shift away from the sillier tropes that have crept up in Who :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    I asked this last night but spoilered out the whole thing in case some hadn't seen the ep at that point, I'll assume that everyone here has seen the ep now:

    Has anyone any idea how all the Doctors knew the plan to capture the planet? I think 11 even said something like "you might say I've been planning for this all my lives".

    Was also interesting how Tom Baker said you may see more of the old faces, was this foreshadowing the future Doctor(s) interacting with previous incarnations of himself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,548 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Fair enough that you didn't like it as much as others, we all have our opinions, but for the bit in bold ... seriously?
    Have you never watched Dr. Who before today? :D

    Admittedly not an old school fan (well, I just haven't watched them), but I've been watching since Eccleston. They were one step above the slitheen. :o


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,173 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Das Kitty wrote: »
    I've always felt that Moffat was keen to undo how the Doctor's character was re-introduced in 2005 and bring him back to how he was before. Dismantling the Lonely God and we're finally in sight of the destination. He didn't burn them. He's not the Last of the Time Lords anymore. (Time to change the forum sub-header!)
    I've had issues with the lonely god thang alright, especially as it gained more currency with Dave's Doc, but I have to say I liked RTD's original premise and a dark one it was too, underneath the farting aliens and a reboot trying to find it's audience, which dulled that down, sadly IMH. Remember the trailers before spoilers and needing puzzles to figure out?

    Dodgy editing aside, there is more "cinematic" in that short clip than we got with this latest cinema released episode(IMH obviously) and he's a darker character with it(and the theme tune sounds well cool). That said the Doc I'd write/like to see would be well post watershed and the minds couch wouldn't be big enough to hide behind. Apocalypse Now with Cybermen kinda thing :D Of late having an oul peruse through the post 05(?) rejig, I'm surprised to see how the Dave's doc after Chris's got much lighter, more surface. For me anyway. Ecclestone is a very very good actor, but he's not entirely comfortable with the happy fun stuff and as a happy accident that discomfort worked for the Doc. Again for me because of that he's my fave Doc after Tom. There's an "alien" imbalance with both of them. And a gravitas. Behind the grins they're both a little effin scary. Dave and Matt cool though they are, just aren't. I have really high hopes for Capaldi on this score. I hope they let him kick off as he certainly can.


    We watched it for a second time this morning with the youngfella. He's been playing Time Lords all day since. :pac:
    and the circle continues. I was doing the same in 1976 :)
    Mr E wrote: »
    I just finished watching, and I didn't think it was great... strong start, poor middle, OK ending.
    Fun script (in places), but more sh**ty rubber-faced aliens.

    I'd been looking forward to this all weekend too.

    /runs away.
    Jayzuz E don't hold back, ya mad thing ya. As the reboot Doc is fond of saying *takes D's hand* RUN. Though if I'm the Doc it's be more like "well... you run ahead. I'll catch up after I've had a cup of tea and a fag. It's OK, it's you they want to kill anyway". :D TBH I liked the old zygons. They were a little less rubber faced than when I saw them first as a kid running up agin Tom Baker and Lizzie Sladen(I had such a thing for her:)). Though to be fair given the constraints of budget and tech at the time the original zygons and their ship were pretty well done and horrific with it. Though the appearance of the Loch Ness monster is best remembered with a heavy veil drawn across it. :)

    As I mused earlier I think the show foundered in one way in that although it was this hyped up and eagerly awaited "event" and cinema event at that, it felt like TV. NO offence to the director as it was great telly, but IMHO they should have sought out a film director and no doubt many of a certain age on both sides of the Atlantic and beyond would have lined up. EG the episode with Vincent Van Gogh penned by Richard Curtis was a little bit different to the usual(and usually great) writing fare. Yep it had issues, but it was more movie than TV in it's writing and pacing. Less TV rush, more subtlety. IMHO the anniversary needed more of that going on. John Hurt defo helped mind you.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    It's just occurred to me the Doctor IS the curator of undergallery, the Queen appointed him as such...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Mr E wrote: »
    Admittedly not an old school fan (well, I just haven't watched them), but I've been watching since Eccleston. They were one step above the slitheen. :o
    I would rather have a poor rubber-faced alien - which personally I didn't think the Zygons were, I thought they were great - than a decent CGI one. They add something that you just don't get with CGI

    Yes, even Alpha Centauri


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Loved that so much...actually can't put it into words any better than you lot already have!

    Just wondering, as I've only watched Who since the reboot, does anyone know of a good place that explains the entire arc of Who since its inception? I had a look on Google but didn't find anything great, basically I'm not entirely sure where the Time War fits in, I always thought it was a backstory to the whole show but obviously if Hurt is a generation in the middle then that can't be the case. Were the first few series set during the Time War or when was it introduced?

    Gotta get it all straight in my head, although I was surprised by how well Moffat tied up everything in that (for a change! :P)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Loved that so much...actually can't put it into words any better than you lot already have!

    Just wondering, as I've only watched Who since the reboot, does anyone know of a good place that explains the entire arc of Who since its inception? I had a look on Google but didn't find anything great, basically I'm not entirely sure where the Time War fits in, I always thought it was a backstory to the whole show but obviously if Hurt is a generation in the middle then that can't be the case. Were the first few series set during the Time War or when was it introduced?

    Gotta get it all straight in my head, although I was surprised by how well Moffat tied up everything in that (for a change! :P)

    The Tardis wiki is a good place to start.

    http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭McLoughlin


    I wonder did the Curator give Osgood that scarf ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Loved that so much...actually can't put it into words any better than you lot already have!

    Just wondering, as I've only watched Who since the reboot, does anyone know of a good place that explains the entire arc of Who since its inception? I had a look on Google but didn't find anything great, basically I'm not entirely sure where the Time War fits in, I always thought it was a backstory to the whole show but obviously if Hurt is a generation in the middle then that can't be the case. Were the first few series set during the Time War or when was it introduced?

    Gotta get it all straight in my head, although I was surprised by how well Moffat tied up everything in that (for a change! :P)

    From what I know the time war was how the original series ended and then we skipped the war and ecclestone showed up talking about it being gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Has anyone read 'Summer Falls' by Amelia Williams? (James Goss went and wrote it and BBC Books brought it out on ebook while AudioGo brought it out on audio) there's an interesting character called the Curator in that as well.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    From what I know the time war was how the original series ended and then we skipped the war and ecclestone showed up talking about it being gone.
    Nope. The Time War had nothing to do with the first run at all. It was made up by RTD for the re-launch as a means to jettison the Doctor's character from a lot of the previous continuity and, as above, re-mould him.
    Personally, glad to see the Time Lords back. Never liked the Doctor being the last of them (for what it's worth the novels, written in between the two series, also did pretty much the same thing!).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,971 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    McLoughlin wrote: »
    I wonder did the Curator give Osgood that scarf ?

    I was wondering if she was the Curators granddaughter. This would bring the whole of Doctor Who right back to the beginning closing the circle. Granddaughter and Grandfather together again.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I throughly enjoyed it, small improvements could have been made but in general as close to the best they could have ever done with it.
    [*]Liz reminded me a little bit too much of Queenie from Black Adder
    LOL, couldn't stop laughing after I read this, so true.
    Bit of a Deus ex Machina. Thought they'd actually push the button. Needed to be done. Let Clara see the steel side of the Doctor. I suppose it's the setup for the Christmas special/Capaldi's initial story arc.
    I thought they would, set Cipaldi up to be a really dark but OK with it git but I think its better that they didnt't as Cipaldi can be whoever he wants character wise (or however he is told to be).
    So WarDoc and 10 can't remember anything later because the timestreams are entwined. Once the untangle then they will forget. But, they are time travellers. Shouldn't all timestreams be engangled equally looking from outside the streams themselves? Shouldn't 11 forget too? Or is this just a don't-look-too-close thing?
    It's Matts timestream, if the others remembered they could affect it and F stuff up, hence the "out of sync" comment and why he remembers.
    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    In fact the issue of *saving galifrey* is that it goes against the reasoning previously stated as to why the doctor did what he did. Both sides had been consumed by war. Not just the daleks and the doctor was forced to end it wholly, not just defeat the daleks.
    I disagree, IMO, all of the daleks are evil by their definition, not all of the timelords, not the children, not the immocents on the planet.
    The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot
    I thought the John Barrowman joke was hilarious.
    Loved the return of the fez :D
    I like the idea that it is buried in his subconcious, he doesn't know why he likes them (he thinks they are cool) and he always wants to wear them (he doesn't know when he will have to use it). Genius.
    Wonder if whatever goulash they gave him extended his regenerations, or better yet, if he died and they brought him back to life without a regen does it reset so he has another 12 from that point on :P
    I always forget how this works, where is the Valeyard?
    correct me if i'm wrong but all 13 doctors came together to save gallifrey right? what i'm wondering is how did that work ? even if tennant and john hurt forgot saving gallifrey wouldn't the other doctors remember it therefore making tennant and hurt remember?
    They forget for the same reason Hurt and Tennant forget, maybe facilitated by the Moment character (Billie Piper), so they all forget, until they remember.

    Also someone said BP was Hurts conscience, pretty sure they say the Moment developed a conscience in the War Room and that is who is talking.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭OU812


    Watched it today. Loved it, but a little disappointed.

    Would have loved to see Jack in even a cameo (I know he got a mention, but...), would have loved a little more explanation on Clara, would have loved Rose & Tenant's doctor to have at least one interaction (I know she wasn't Rose, but...). Would have loved to see Timothy Dalton reprise his role as one of the elders on Gallifrey.

    Didn't like the 13th doctor's cameo as he doesn't exist yet, (also not sure if I like him as a doctor, can't warm to him at all).

    Would have liked a cameo from the Master.

    River should have had a mention. OK, not the most liked character, but she is the Doctor's wife & guide.

    And where were the damn blink statues ??

    Also, did they just nullify "The End of time" ?

    Also (lastly), Gallifrey is in Ireland ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭bren2001


    OU812 wrote: »
    Watched it today. Loved it, but a little disappointed.

    Would have loved to see Jack in even a cameo (I know he got a mention, but...), would have loved a little more explanation on Clara, would have loved Rose & Tenant's doctor to have at least one interaction (I know she wasn't Rose, but...). Would have loved to see Timothy Dalton reprise his role as one of the elders on Gallifrey.

    Didn't like the 13th doctor's cameo as he doesn't exist yet, (also not sure if I like him as a doctor, can't warm to him at all).

    Would have liked a cameo from the Master.

    River should have had a mention. OK, not the most liked character, but she is the Doctor's wife & guide.

    And where were the damn blink statues ??

    Also, did they just nullify "The End of time" ?

    Also (lastly), Gallifrey is in Ireland ?

    She did get a mention (well a nod) when David asks Matt where is he going Matt replies "Spoilers!".


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    bren2001 wrote: »
    She did get a mention (well a nod) when David asks Matt where is he going Matt replies "Spoilers!".

    And her red heels are in the Black Archive. :)


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    I think the show would have been way too cluttered if they had to force cameos from every notable character since the reboot...

    Also I was So Glad that they managed to include Rose without *actually* including her, as she's my very least favourite Who character >.>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    In honour of Tom Baker appearing in this :)



    I cried laughing when I saw this first, still chuckling watching it now all these years later :D


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    That was a small bit awesome.
    Just watched the 5ish Doctors. Excellent stuff and especially good fun for those of us who've watched the original series. Loved the touch of the original '70s music when the actors were outside.

    Anyone know how McCoy got the time - I mean he's staring in the Hobbit, directed by Oscar-winner Peter Jackson!

    The very final scene, in the credits, really sold it for me. Davision and Moffat - you clever clever boys.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CramCycle wrote: »
    not the immocents on the planet.
    When did I learn to fail at using a typewriter?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    CramCycle wrote: »
    When did I learn to fail at using a typewriter?

    I haven't been able to spell or form sentences for the past week, but I get to blame a non-sleeping newborn. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭Hermione*


    I've watched it three times since yesterday :o

    So many little moments that I loved. Loved the interactions between the three Doctors, Capaldi, 'no sir, thirteen!', and the last shot as Eleven enters the Tardis.
    I thought it worked really well in balancing the need to mark the occasion and remember what had gone before, and telling a good Whovian story.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    ixoy wrote: »
    Just watched the 5ish Doctors. Excellent stuff and especially good fun for those of us who've watched the original series. Loved the touch of the original '70s music when the actors were outside.

    Anyone know how McCoy got the time - I mean he's staring in the Hobbit, directed by Oscar-winner Peter Jackson!

    The very final scene, in the credits, really sold it for me. Davision and Moffat - you clever clever boys.

    The Hobbit is a bit like LOTR's that way, filming is largely done in a tranche, I'd say even if they were still filming, no problem, loved Jackson appearing in it.
    He's a huge fan, talk of him directing an episode.
    .

    My favourite line was about the circles in the Tardis. Loved that scene, the circles, what are they for, don't have a clue.

    I might be going mad, but they were in the museum as an art exhibit, or probably some significance towards a future story.

    3D generally isn't that particularly great a cinematic experience barring Avatar or something like that, so I was happy enough with thinking a Fez was thrown at me, and a few other bits, plus we got a few extras that hopefully twitter and torrents will never get. I'll never see popcorn in the same way again!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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