50th Episode - Here there be Spoilers

BuffyBot

Oh bloody Rose..

pixelburp

Chinpool wrote: »

Tennant, Piper & John Hurt confirmed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/DOCTOR-WHO-ANNOUNCES-ALL-STAR-CAST-FOR-50th-ANNIVERSARY

If Piper's returning, then one guess might be that Tennant will play the one-hearted human clone last seen stuck with Rose in that alternate dimension.

I wonder who else may yet be announced...

McLoughlin

Well thats bloody ruined now with the god awful Rose.

What's wrong with rose

Pixel I'd say you're right, he'll be the clone one!

pixelburp

bluewolf wrote: »

What's wrong with rose

Pixel I'd say you're right, he'll be the clone one!

Rose was interesting at first, but from series 2 onwards she became a sort of clingy, possessive, jealous if not plain obnoxious girlfriend & it just descended from there. Her entire plot arc also made her come across as a little selfish; she pretty much got her family back (after nearly destroying the universe the first time) & a life of luxury, yet she still wanted the doctor all to herself.

That said, meeting 11 could make for an interesting / awkward reunion; he's not exactly the dashing rogue she knew and he's now married to someone a bit more of an equal than Rose ever was.. Shame Amy isn't about, I could easily see her giving rose short shrift.

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

What's wrong with rose

Ditto. Never really caught the anti Rose stuff TBH. On the other hand though I dug Rory(and his dad ), Amy I could never warm to and River song really passed me by. Go figure.

But yea like Pixel said sounds like the clone other dimensional Doc alright(I think I mused before that's one way he could do a guest appearance as there wouldn't be a timeline issue and such). "Living a life day after day" etc You never know maybe him and Rose split up in the interim. Or they've six kids. :eek: If it is the clone chap, it could make for some interesting backstory, what does an ex timelord with the knowledge and memories of a thousand years do in suburbia with a wife and kids, with only the odd day in their version of Torchwood/UNIT office to distract him? Though maybe he was growing a Tardis and it went all Pete Tong and that's how they meet. Inter dimensional apocalypse oops moment. Maybe throw in the voices of the other incarnations that get roused from their respective timelines because of it. Badda bing, all the ducks lined up.

Ginny

BuffyBot wrote: »

Oh bloody Rose..

And her teeth....

Killer_banana

I don't dislike Rose so much as her story has been completely done to death. Moffat says he doesn't like bringing people back without reason but I can not see any conceivable reason to being Rose back. Ten going to tell her about her great year to come was too much never mind bringing her back for this. A year or so ago I'd have trusted Moffat to have good reason but I feel he's lost perspective now and buys into his own hype. I'm starting to fear for Sherlock...

Wibbs

Killer_banana wrote: »

Moffat says he doesn't like bringing people back without reason but I can not see any conceivable reason to being Rose back.

Maybe he has a reason? Though I'd reckon it's for much more prosaic reasons KB. If they're looking for past doctors to come back, the older ones are well... older or sadly passed away, Ecclestone probably wouldn't do it anyway, so Tennant is the obvious choice. Plus he's still crazily popular. I saw some poll or other in my e travels as to who would people like to be the next Doc after Matt hangs up the screwdriver and Tennant came second. Plus there's the handy plot device that he's another current "Doctor" stuck in another universe.

Rose? She comes along for the ride as it were And again she is crazily popular. Whovians might not like her much if at all, but in the wider world audience of those just sitting on the sofa of a Saturday night wanting a bit of Dr Who fun she's very popular. I'd reckon if you asked the "man on the street" non clued in fan to name one of the reboot assistants she'd get the nod by a comfortable margin.

You see this in other areas too. EG the Daleks. Whovians again tend to be so so on them and could live without seeing them for a while, but ask the man in the street to name the Docs enemies and they'd be easily top of the list.

So yea, easy plot device, availability of actors and wider popularity and Tennant and Piper are obvious choices.



Personally while I generally liked Rose and preferred her to a couple who came after(TBH I couldn't stand Martha), I'd agree that story is real thin at this stage. Especially after the last Tennant episode. That whole thing was cringy in the extreme and her showing up at the end really did my head in. I actually missed the "I don't wanna go" bit as I had changed channel and the remote had survived Tennant free falling a couple of hundred feet through a glass ceiling and landing on solid marble. Less killed Tom Bakers Doc Grrr

BaconZombie

I'm I the one one who thinks both Roses and Gwens smiles are really cute?

Ginny wrote: »

And her teeth....

Professey Chin

Squeeee

Doctor Who Official ‏@bbcdoctorwho 2m
The read through has just finished for the #DoctorWho50th Special! pic.twitter.com/Mjj3I889Y2

Doctor DooM

And thus a million slash fics begun!

McLoughlin

It would have been nice if the BBC put out a April fools pic of all the doctors with 1 - 3 recasted.

Wibbs

I'm looking forward to this TBH Very interested to see John Hurt in action in this environment too. Johnnie being a major acting presence and scene chewer. It could turn out to be like bringing a howitzer to a knife fight, even with Mr Tennant in full flow, he may get a shock.

pixelburp

Well the BBC have published a tweet, revealing who (one of?) the villains of the 50th Anniversary will be:

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/statuses/319100007452135424

Took them long enough to make another story featuring them; 38 years in fact!

Orion

50th anniversary rumoured to be a Moffat-written 90 minute cinema movie shot in 3D.
http://www.rte.ie/ten/2013/0402/drwho.html

pixelburp

Orion wrote: »

50th anniversary rumoured to be a Moffat-written 90 minute cinema movie shot in 3D.
http://www.rte.ie/ten/2013/0402/drwho.html

2/3rds of that isn't a rumour - it's already known that Moffat will be penning the special, and it was announced some time back that ti'll be in 3D (in fact I believe it'll get a limited run in UK cinemas too). Apparently the running-time is still unconfirmed

Orion

Bad wording on my part - I meant the part about cinematic release was the rumour. According to that link and a few others online it will be a worldwide cinema release. I assume worldwide means Ireland/UK and the US - can't see it doing well anywhere else.

flazio

Orion wrote: »

Bad wording on my part - I meant the part about cinematic release was the rumour. According to that link and a few others online it will be a worldwide cinema release. I assume worldwide means Ireland/UK and the US - can't see it doing well anywhere else.

Has an audience in Australia and New Zealand as well. In fact I reckon it'd do better there then it would here in Ireland.

pixelburp

No Eccleston I'm afraid; the BBC came out and confirmed that he has declined to take part in the anniversary special. A real shame.

The Beeb wrote:

Chris met with Steven Moffat a couple of times to talk about Steven's plans for the Doctor Who 50th anniversary episode. After careful thought, Chris decided not to be in the episode. He wishes the team all the best.

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/04/dwn050413130012no-eccleston-in-50th-anniversary-special.html

Doctor DooM

A real pity. Tom Baker has said he regrets making a similar choice years ago immensely.

Wibbs

Did spot this in PB's link

"Filming has continued this week, with Gelligaer Common north of Caerphilly playing host to the TARDIS (times two) yesterday". Hmmmm two tardisisissss tardi? If that's the case then that would suggest Tennants Doc isn't the clone one.

Mr.Saturn

Wibbs wrote: »

Did spot this in PB's link

"Filming has continued this week, with Gelligaer Common north of Caerphilly playing host to the TARDIS (times two) yesterday". Hmmmm two tardisisissss tardi? If that's the case then that would suggest Tennants Doc isn't the clone one.

There was a deleted scene from Journey's End that saw Doc 10 give Doc 10.2 a bit of TARDIS coral, with a view to 10.2 growing his own. Though, yes, it's deleted; its canonicity is debatable, at best.

Won't embed the video in fear of giving away the goose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpJmUip3mKE

pixelburp

Hmmm, here's a thing, maybe I posted that update about Eccles too soon; seems that nobody official from the BBC has come out to say Yes/No/Atari Jaguar about Eccleston's appearance, that the quote pasted above came from "a source" which in journalism-speak could mean just about anyone in the BBC, from an executive to the janitor really.

Mr.Saturn

pixelburp wrote: »

Well the BBC have published a tweet, revealing who (one of?) the villains of the 50th Anniversary will be:

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/statuses/319100007452135424

Took them long enough to make another story featuring them; 38 years in fact!

Their reappearance nearly coincides with BBC finally pulling the finger out and releasing 'Terror of the Zygons' on DVD. It's due out of September 30th
this year. About bloody time.

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm, here's a thing, maybe I posted that update about Eccles too soon; seems that nobody official from the BBC has come out to say Yes/No/Atari Jaguar about Eccleston's appearance, that the quote pasted above came from "a source" which in journalism-speak could mean just about anyone in the BBC, from an executive to the janitor really.

Awesome, I've more more false hope to torture myself with:

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm, here's a thing, maybe I posted that update about Eccles too soon; seems that nobody official from the BBC has come out to say Yes/No/Atari Jaguar about Eccleston's appearance, that the quote pasted above came from "a source" which in journalism-speak could mean just about anyone in the BBC, from an executive to the janitor really.

That's seriously bad reporting in the above if so- they say it came from a spokesman from the BBC!

Mr.Saturn

May be reading too far into it, but wasn't the human 10th Doctor rocking a blue suit? I mean, it's ridiculous to think he could've changed his clothes in the whole time he was fighting evil in another universe, no? I honestly don't even know what logic there is for me using spoiler-tags anymore.

BaconZombie

From the Reddit thread it seem this it 10's TARDIS not 11's.

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

May be reading too far into it, but wasn't the human 10th Doctor rocking a blue suit? I mean, it's ridiculous to think he could've changed his clothes in the whole time he was fighting evil in another universe, no? I honestly don't even know what logic there is for me using spoiler-tags anymore.

Das Kitty

Definitely the older Tardis.

bradyle

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

May be reading too far into it, but wasn't the human 10th Doctor rocking a blue suit? I mean, it's ridiculous to think he could've changed his clothes in the whole time he was fighting evil in another universe, no? I honestly don't even know what logic there is for me using spoiler-tags anymore.

If it is metacrisis 10 surely you'd have to accept he grew his own TARDIS. In that case why would it be appearing as a phone box the chameleon circuit wouldn't be broken. I'm thinking maybe it's real 10!!! I'm really not sure why this is in spoilers but the other thing was so figured I'd continue on. Also reposting the picture just because it makes me all tingly!

pixelburp

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

May be reading too far into it, but wasn't the human 10th Doctor rocking a blue suit? I mean, it's ridiculous to think he could've changed his clothes in the whole time he was fighting evil in another universe, no? I honestly don't even know what logic there is for me using spoiler-tags anymore.

Looks like the normal Doc #10 to me, plus it's his TARDIS by the looks of things; bringing back that alternate-universe clone would be too messy, and probably undermines that original ending (which itself was already undermined by returning to Bad Wolf Bay :rolleyes:). A bit of timey-wimey hand waving can easily explain why #10 & #11 could appear with each other in the regular universe

Though was thinking that there is one obvious way to bring back former Doctors without worrying about breaking the space-time thingymajigs; the flesh clones from series 6. Heck it was hinted at the end of that story that Flesh-11 could yet return.

bradyle

pixelburp wrote: »

Though was thinking that there is one obvious way to bring back former Doctors without worrying about breaking the space-time thingymajigs; the flesh clones from series 6. Heck it was hinted at the end of that story that Flesh-11 could yet return.

How would the flesh get a TARDIS though? I'm really starting to think this is bonafide 10...no clones no flesh no nothing...just some weird timey-wimey reason that he's there...and I could not be any more excited!!!

Also anyone else think it kinda looks like the outfit he was wearing in his final episode obviously a lot less ruined though. Suppose he only really had the 2 suits so it's probably meaningless

Das Kitty

Nah, I think it's a plain brown one.

I still reckon this has something to do with him deleting himself from history. This could be a "what if" Ten and Rose. Where the events that separated them never happened because as far as the universe was concerned the Doctor didn't exist.

(They'll probably have totally dropped the deleting himself from history thing now that I've said that. :P)

I've seen a wider shot of that same photo and

you can see a Zygon trudging off in the background

Love that photo though, reminds me again of what a great face Matt Smith has.

pixelburp

Just to confirm btw, and in case others haven't seen the full pictures, it's definitely #10's TARDIS allright:

https://twitter.com/HWBCymru/status/324573847074516993/photo/1

bradyle wrote: »

How would the flesh get a TARDIS though? I'm really starting to think this is bonafide 10...no clones no flesh no nothing...just some weird timey-wimey reason that he's there...and I could not be any more excited!!!

Yup, going by the pic above it's definitely the real #10, so bang goes that theory. Initially I thought it'd be a handy explanaway for getting the previous Doctors involved - that they would be Flesh clones. Either way, I still hold out hope we'll see some of the previous Docs. I'm fairly ambivalent about Eccles returning given how disinterested he has been, but I think it would be a lovely gesture if McGann came back via a cameo. He's often forgotten (despite being the longest-serving Docs via the audioplays), and to appear in the 50th Special would be a nice affirmation that he had his time.

Das Kitty

Noticing now in the pic

the medieval setting

behind them. Class

Wibbs

OK so we have it seems the "real" 10 and 11 of course, there have been shots of Clara filming bits of it and we've seen shots of the run through with her and the two docs, but not one pic of Ms Piper/Rose so far? Maybe only a tiny cameo?

Here's one of john hurt, tennant, piper, and ummm clara's real name... celebrating tennant's birthday after filming for this, apparently:

Wibbs

Jeebus, people can go nowhere without some gimp with a camera phone eager to intrude.

pixelburp

Yeah I don't like the idea of people intruding on what is obviously a private function, or posting pictures of it; celebrity culture gone too far

Yeah I didn't think of that I thought it was from the official david tennant thing but it wasn't

Wibbs

These days with celebs pimping their own such pictures/tweets it's very easy to get confused.

BaconZombie

bluewolf wrote: »

Here's one of john hurt, tennant, piper, and ummm clara's real name... celebrating tennant's birthday after filming for this, apparently:

It is the price they pay for been a celebrity and get paid we for it.
Once they disappear from the limelight their career is dead.

Wibbs wrote: »

Jeebus, people can go nowhere without some gimp with a camera phone eager to intrude.

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah I don't like the idea of people intruding on what is obviously a private function, or posting pictures of it; celebrity culture gone too far

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah I didn't think of that I thought it was from the official david tennant thing but it wasn't

Wibbs wrote: »

These days with celebs pimping their own such pictures/tweets it's very easy to get confused.

pixelburp

BaconZombie wrote: »

It is the price they pay for been a celebrity and get paid we for it.
Once they disappear from the limelight their career is dead.

Well no, they're entitled to a private life & if Tennant wanted to have a quiet function to celebrate his birthday that's his prerogative and the public should show a little decorum; he's just an actor, not our personal entertainment monkey, and he has signed no contract with the public saying that his entire life is fair game. Nor is Tennant a celebrity; he's an actor. It's the media & public that decided him a 'celebrity', and that's just some handy excuse to voyeuristically follow these peoples' lives out of their sense of inflated self-entitlement. Admittedly, it's just a picture & I would hope he wasn't pestered during the evening, but even so - the public should show some cop on & respect.

brianon

So the 50th special is being shot in 3D. Is the only way to see the 3D version on a 3D TV or are there special (cinema) screenings planned ? I am assuming there wouldn't be any over here anyway

pixelburp

brianon wrote: »

So the 50th special is being shot in 3D. Is the only way to see the 3D version on a 3D TV or are there special (cinema) screenings planned ? I am assuming there wouldn't be any over here anyway

Theres talk (i think unconfirmed) that the 50th anniversary will get a limited run in the cinemas. I presume UK cinemas will be the only ones involved, but you never know, it might get a run in Cineworld or the UCI branches

bradyle

pixelburp wrote: »

Theres talk (i think unconfirmed) that the 50th anniversary will get a limited run in the cinemas. I presume UK cinemas will be the only ones involved, but you never know, it might get a run in Cineworld or the UCI branches

So will it not be shown on normal bbc not in 3D??...They so wont have it in cinemas where I am!

brianon

bradyle wrote: »

So will it not be shown on normal bbc not in 3D??...They so wont have it in cinemas where I am!

AFAIK it'll be on TV in 3D and normal/HD. WOuld love to see it in the cinema if that was happening though. My daughter would think Christmas has come early

bradyle

brianon wrote: »

AFAIK it'll be on TV in 3D and normal/HD. WOuld love to see it in the cinema if that was happening though. My daughter would think Christmas has come early

Few!

Meh 3D movies unless incredibly well done give me headaches and i end up watching a blurry movie without the glasses..So will probably have to make do with good old 2D

Raphael

FWIW: http://www.2d-glasses.com/

Turn a 3D movie back into a 2D movie! No headaches required.

bradyle

hmmmmm interesting!