Single life on the dole...

Israel_Dagg

smellsfunny wrote: »

I have to move from Galway to Dublin for a 22,000 euro a year job. Its starting in two weeks. I was previously earning 34,000 a year in Galway and was working for nearly 5 years but the company closed down. I have been looking for a job for nearly two years now, have great experience and worked on numerous projects, and after a couple of interviews this is the best job offer I could get, had to take a graduate role at 22,000 and move to frickin Dublin.

Not everyone wants to leave the country. I did the travel thing for six months to Australia and you get pissed off with lying on all beach all day drinking after a two weeks and then its just the same as Ireland except warmer.

What sector is the job in? :P

Forest Demon

Somebody has to be on the dole. It might as well be someone who enjoys it.

mufcboy1999

life on minimum wage isnt too much better than the dole, slaving away doing over 40+ hours per week and coming out with just barely over 100 euro more than the dole is soul crushing.

its nearly impossible to save on min wage with rent and other bills etc... this country is a shambles and these dead end jobs are nearly all thats left.

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

Not everyone wants to leave the country. I did the travel thing for six months to Australia and you get pissed off with lying on all beach all day drinking after a two weeks and then its just the same as Ireland except warmer.

"doing the travel thing" does not equate to lying on a beach drinking for most people. what you're describing is "doing the holiday thing"

smellsfunny

Israel_Dagg wrote: »

What sector is the job in? :P

Programming, the amount of foreigners in the area is quite shocking. There coming over and taking all the high paid jobs because companies know that the courses in Ireland are complete and utter bull crap. There's way too much emphasis on theory and not implementing constant projects.

I only specified in one area in my previous job in but most roles these days need a broad knowledge of a couple of languages.

Randall Floyd

What about people on the dole that would like to go abroad for work but can't afford it?

hatrickpatrick

smellsfunny wrote: »

Programming, the amount of foreigners in the area is quite shocking. There coming over and taking all the high paid jobs and our women, and acting like they own the feckin' place because companies know that the courses in Ireland are complete and utter bull crap. There's way too much emphasis on theory and not implementing constant projects.

I only specified in one area in my previous job in but most roles these days need a broad knowledge of a couple of languages.

FYP

smellsfunny

COYVB wrote: »

"doing the travel thing" does not equate to lying on a beach drinking for most people. what you're describing is "doing the holiday thing"

I was working a month on and a month off when I was there but I couldn't get a job in area I was qualified in and got pissed of picking fruit. I guess it's not for everybody. Wouldn't mind England at all, or going to Canada if I got a job I'm qualified in before I go over.

Synyster Shadow

smellsfunny wrote: »

Programming, the amount of foreigners in the area is quite shocking. There coming over and taking all the high paid jobs because companies know that the courses in Ireland are complete and utter bull crap. There's way too much emphasis on theory and not implementing constant projects.

I only specified in one area in my previous job in but most roles these days need a broad knowledge of a couple of languages.

that's the problem i have in web design....i think irish people should get preference when there qualified and experienced enough but never seems to be the case as the foreigners are the ones in charge of hiring now...

Grayson

boomshakalaka wrote: »

most people on the dole can't afford to move?

Go to college.

Then move if you still can't get a job. Plenty of jobs for people with any old degree, even if it's teaching english.

Despite the fact that i gave up reading the OP halfway through, I think I would agree with him.

If your young, unemployed and just waiting for a job longterm, go and do something about it.

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

I was working a month on and a month off when I was there but I couldn't get a job in area I was qualified in and got pissed of picking fruit. I guess it's not for everybody. Wouldn't mind England at all, or going to Canada if I got a job I'm qualified in before I go over.

Irish people treat Oz as a holiday. They go in big groups, go out on the piss every night and don't take it remotely seriously. Now you may not have done that, but based on the fact that you say you spent so much time lying on the beach drinking beer, it sounds like you fall into that category.

Next time, do your research, have interviews over the phone, and show that you're not actually interested in going on a student work visa, but actually emigrating there and you'll have more luck on the employment front. Businesses don't usually like hiring people who have a finite shelf life in their job

smellsfunny

Grayson wrote: »

Go to college.

Then move if you still can't get a job. Plenty of jobs for people with any old degree, even if it's teaching english.

Despite the fact that i gave up reading the OP halfway through, I think I would agree with him.

If your young, unemployed and just waiting for a job longterm, go and do something about it.

There's plenty of people emigrating if you don't allready know. Some people don't have the IQ for college in area's that are employable now. That's life.

You can go to college and get a degree, there's even free ones like Springboard but when there is 30 people going for every job and people applying with 10 years of experience then it is still hard to get a job. Its not a question of laziness

phasers

1. What bank is giving loans to people on the dole?

2. Not everyone has rich relatives.

3. You sound like a total knob.

In fact, ignore point 1 and 2. If you're so freaking awesome why are you on here moaning? Go live your awesome life abroad and start a blog or something.

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

There's plenty of people emigrating if you don't allready know

There's a TINY percentage of people emigrating. Most are going away for a year or two before having to return

Grayson

smellsfunny wrote: »

There's plenty of people emigrating if you don't allready know. Some people don't have the IQ for college in area's that are employable now. That's life.

You can go to college and get a degree, there's even free ones like Springboard but when there is 30 people going for every job and people applying with 10 years of experience then it is still hard to get a job. Its not a question of laziness

What I'm saying is that if your unemployed and have no money and no qualification to emigrate, then go get some education. Once you get the education emigrate.

And college isn't about IQ. There are plenty of thick ****es there. Eitherway, IQ doesn't nessecarly mean that you can't get an education. Find something you enjoy and want to be better at. And if youre absolutely useless and haven't a hope, bluff it and move to management

My point is, that for a young single person to spend more that 12 minths on the dole is pretty shameful. They have time to better themselves and make them more attractive employees, so they should be doing that.

I know so many people who are leaving after graduation in the short term. The idea is that they'll travel a bit, get their experience abroad and comeback when the recession isn't as bad.

The King of Moo

FearDark wrote: »

Post #2 is always an easy thankswhore. "I wholeheartedly disagree with OP while at the same time make him out to be a tool" It's rather easy and predictable.

Ah, I've been called worse. Some posts do make it easier to thankswhore though.

smellsfunny

COYVB wrote: »

There's a TINY percentage of people emigrating. Most are going away for a year or two before having to return

I wouldn't call 46,000 people who emigrated in 2012 a tiny percentage of the total unemployed. Its over 10%. Have you ever been or worked in Australia or even working now?

Australia isn't for everyone. I had interviews over their and just because you are their doesn't gauruntee you a good job.

WindSock

Oranage2 wrote: »

They should do speed dating in the dole queues.

I second this motion. There are a lot of hot young, albeit, betracksuited boys in my local the dole queue. I wouldn't mind having some social services while I wait.

boomshakalaka

Grayson wrote: »

Go to college.

Then move if you still can't get a job. Plenty of jobs for people with any old degree, even if it's teaching english.

Despite the fact that i gave up reading the OP halfway through, I think I would agree with him.

If your young, unemployed and just waiting for a job longterm, go and do something about it.

Yea because college is free?

Synyster Shadow

boomshakalaka wrote: »

Yea because college is free?

And your bills will be paid for while you study too!!!!!

Grayson

boomshakalaka wrote: »

Yea because college is free?

Pretty much, yeah. especially if you've been on the dole.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/back_to_education_allowance.html

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/third_level_education/fees_and_supports_for_third_level_education/higher_education_grants_scheme.html

Pottler

Well, regarding getting off the dole, I need an office administrator with experience of drafting invoices, logging sales, purchases, inventory, tracking employee hours and utilisation, etc. Basically running the office. The pays good and I'm nice. I'm in N.kildare. We are small but growing rapidly. I also need 2 men to work in the UK full time with experience in the construction/industrial maintenance field - you need to be fit and tough and not afraid of work, it's a very physical role! There ye go, an exit for three anyway!. If that's you, pm me. I'm very not a spoofer btw, so no spoofers. jasus, the mods are gonna kill me, I've posted a better desc over in job vacancies, btw.

JustRoss23

I am 23 single on the dole i am an electrician, moveing to canada on my own in 9 weeks I CANT WAIT:D

smellsfunny

Grayson wrote: »

What I'm saying is that if your unemployed and have no money and no qualification to emigrate, then go get some education. Once you get the education emigrate.

And college isn't about IQ. There are plenty of thick ****es there. Eitherway, IQ doesn't nessecarly mean that you can't get an education. Find something you enjoy and want to be better at. And if youre absolutely useless and haven't a hope, bluff it and move to management

My point is, that for a young single person to spend more that 12 minths on the dole is pretty shameful. They have time to better themselves and make them more attractive employees, so they should be doing that.

I know so many people who are leaving after graduation in the short term. The idea is that they'll travel a bit, get their experience abroad and comeback when the recession isn't as bad.

I agree somehow with some of stuff your saying. If your unemployed go do a springboard course or a work placement to and stop sitting on their holes. But for some people college is just not for them, some people rather work with their hands. Why didn't all people who did a trade just go to college and get a handy job.

Travelling also costs money and most people don't have that money right away after college unless your parents are fairly well off and could take a year or two to save to go off abroad. Just because you go to a different country does not gauruntee a job. The country is fecked. I know most graduates now are moving to England as there are much better job possibilities over their.

Big Nasty

smellsfunny wrote: »

I wouldn't call 46,000 people who emigrated in 2012 a tiny percentage of the total unemployed. Its over 10%. Have you ever been or worked in Australia or even working now?

Australia isn't for everyone. I had interviews over their and just because you are their doesn't gauruntee you a good job.

Only 2000 emigrated, the other 42k fvcked off to Aus for a year on the piss.

Synyster Shadow

Grayson wrote: »

Pretty much, yeah. especially if you've been on the dole.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/back_to_education_allowance.html

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/third_level_education/fees_and_supports_for_third_level_education/higher_education_grants_scheme.html

Fee's still need paying and under 23 your based on your parents and may not get grant to help ya

smellsfunny

boomshakalaka wrote: »

Yea because college is free?

yea it is basically, if you are on the dole you get back to education allowance and their is also springboard website which has free college courses and free masters where you can keep your dole. Site looks a bit empty now but will fill up again in the summer with college courses

blade1

Ah, whinging about whinging.
Don't let it get u down.

Yakult

Im gonna collect my dole wednesday (after Im done gambling and drinking away this weeks dole) and book a flight to Oz. The dole should cover that and accommodation/food for a few weeks until I get my job.

God I wish there were jobs around here, its so ****

Synyster Shadow

smellsfunny wrote: »

yea it is basically, if you are on the dole you get back to education allowance and their is also springboard website which has free college courses and free masters where you can keep your dole. Site looks a bit empty now but will fill up again in the summer with college courses

You gotta be 21 for back to education and a year on the dole and I know someone who wasnt 21 and started his course (he was 20) and after 2 weeks of doing the course he was called into social telling him he wasnt meeting the criteria for BTEA and they said he could do the course and loose his money or quit the course and keep his money. Not so easy to make a life really there's hidden snags everywhere

mark renton

The King of Moo wrote: »

Man, I hate people constantly posting this Trainspotting monologue.

People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that ****e, which is not to be ignored, but what they forget is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not ****ing stupid. At least, we're not that ****ing stupid. Take the best orgasm you ever had, multiply it by a thousand and you're still nowhere near it. When you're on jun k you have only one worry: scoring. When you're off it you are suddenly obliged to worry about all sorts of other ****e. Got no money: can't get pished. Got money: drinking too much. Can't get a bird: no chance of a ride. Got a bird: too much hassle. You have to worry about bills, about food, about some football team that never ****ing winds, about human relationships and all the things that really don't matter when you've got a sincere and truthful junk habit.

smellsfunny

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

You gotta be 21 for back to education and a year on the dole and I know someone who wasnt 21 and started his course (he was 20) and after 2 weeks of doing the course he was called into social telling him he wasnt meeting the criteria for BTEA and they said he could do the course and loose his money or quit the course and keep his money. Not so easy to make a life really there's hidden snags everywhere

http://www.springboardcourses.ie/SearchResults.aspx?SearchText=&InstitutionIDs=&locationIDs=&CoreDeliveryMethodIDs=&NFQLevels=&SkillIDs=&openOnly=False

For the above courses you don't need to pay any fees or maintenance grants. You don't get back to education allowance. You just keep your dole. Most of the courses are in running now so it will fill you with new courses again in the summer. Excellent Level 8 and Masters courses in their that started in September in colleges all over Ireland. Just one I picked at random

http://www.springboardcourses.ie/Higher-Diploma-in-Software-Development/Science-Mathematics-and-Computing/Computing/Computer-Science/ViewItem.aspx?ItemTypeID=2&ItemID=1479

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

I wouldn't call 46,000 people who emigrated in 2012 a tiny percentage of the total unemployed

46,000 people left ireland. how many of them emigrated? very, very, very few. maybe not even as many as 2,000. most went on working holiday visas, student visas and such like, the vast majority of them will be back - that's not emigration, that's a temporary move

COYVB

JustRoss23 wrote: »

I am 23 single on the dole i am an electrician, moveing to canada on my own in 9 weeks I CANT WAIT:D

Just a heads up in case you don't know, you've to do an exam in Canada to be eligible to work as a sparks there. You've also to prove you've got 9,000 (I think is the number) hours of work under your belt

tunedout

your friends sound like a pack of wasters.

KERSPLAT!

COYVB wrote: »

Just a heads up in case you don't know, you've to do an exam in Canada to be eligible to work as a sparks there. You've also to prove you've got 9,000 (I think is the number) hours of work under your belt

Red Seal exam afaik

smellsfunny

COYVB wrote: »

Just a heads up in case you don't know, you've to do an exam in Canada to be eligible to work as a sparks there. You've also to prove you've got 9,000 (I think is the number) hours of work under your belt

Please don't listen to him. You don't have work that many hours. That means youve been working 20 years as an electrician to be able to work their as well. 9,000 hours at 5 days a week at 8 hours a day is nearly 20 years. He wouldn't have getting working visa if the hours were that high!!!!

Gummy Panda

phasers wrote: »

1. What bank is giving loans to people on the dole?

2. Not everyone has rich relatives.

3. You sound like a total knob.

In fact, ignore point 1 and 2. If you're so freaking awesome why are you on here moaning? Go live your awesome life abroad and start a blog or something.

Shake your fist at him phasers!

Grayson

smellsfunny wrote: »

I agree somehow with some of stuff your saying. If your unemployed go do a springboard course or a work placement to and stop sitting on their holes. But for some people college is just not for them, some people rather work with their hands. Why didn't all people who did a trade just go to college and get a handy job.

Travelling also costs money and most people don't have that money right away after college unless your parents are fairly well off and could take a year or two to save to go off abroad. Just because you go to a different country does not gauruntee a job. The country is fecked. I know most graduates now are moving to England as there are much better job possibilities over their.

Then they do a different course through FAS. There's lots to complain about this country. But our chances to go into education are actually something we should be reletively proud of. They're not brillant, but they're far from shoddy (Especially compared to somewhere like the US).

And there are loads of jobs abroad. Want to be a carpenter? head to Oz or the UAE (I seem to remember that the guy who was jailed for having sex in a taxi over there was a carpenter on 60k a year tax free).

And even if you don't get a job, you're still in a better position to get one. Adding qualifications never hurts.

smellsfunny

COYVB wrote: »

46,000 people left ireland. how many of them emigrated? very, very, very few. maybe not even as many as 2,000. most went on working holiday visas, student visas and such like, the vast majority of them will be back - that's not emigration, that's a temporary move

2,000 are you crazy? All work going abroad is temporary. Doesn't matter if its for a year or two years. You can't stay that long in another country working.

Owryan

FearDark wrote: »

I did it for a while... It sucked. I mean ****ing sucked. Borrow a few k, get a loan, rob a post office, tap your granny up for cash. TRAVEL Not two weeks in costa del wankhole or playa del dick. Move. You are appreciated elsewhere. Out of twenty or so friends of mine two of us are HAPPILY living abroad, the other 18 are on the dole literally wasting their lives. You get one chance. Six months on the dole is too much, a year is unforgivable. I look on facebook every day, nothing but people whinging about no jobs, govt, levvys etc. Shut the **** up, get out and have a damn life. Theres more to getting your 180 on a Wednesday and drinking it on a Saturday night, you are a loser, a waste of life. Stop your whinging, everyone has the chance to have a great life. Make something of it, force yourself. I'm absolutely sick of Irish people complaining and doing absolutely NOTHING about it, stop waiting on mass protests outside the Dail. Be an individual and make something of YOUR life. We are a bunch of whingers, sometimes I wonder if we enjoy being persecuted so we can have a good old bitch about it. I'm sick to my bollicks of ***** on facebook and other social media groups moaning about their lives and blaming everything on the fact that "there are no jobs" but you sit at home and do ****all about it, what the **** are you waiting for. Tick tock, thats the sound of your life fading away. Lazy thats what you are.

Tl;dr. I'm ****ing sick of Irish people blaming everything on the fact that there are no jobs when they won't even consider the option of moving to get a job but instead PREFER to whinge about it.

You will come home for "de gatheren" ah go say you will, would love to hear you rant a bit more

Grayson

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

You gotta be 21 for back to education and a year on the dole and I know someone who wasnt 21 and started his course (he was 20) and after 2 weeks of doing the course he was called into social telling him he wasnt meeting the criteria for BTEA and they said he could do the course and loose his money or quit the course and keep his money. Not so easy to make a life really there's hidden snags everywhere

I've known people who waited just so they could get it. I also know someone who was unemployed 6 months and was heading back to college in a further 3 months when they changed the limit from 9 months to 12 months. The guy went anyway and lost the allowance. He decided education was worth it. Ended up working part time here and there and taking years out inbetween. Took nearly 7 years in the end. It really sucks.

But as someone else pointed out, there's other stuff they can do in the meanwhile.

Grayson

smellsfunny wrote: »

2,000 are you crazy? All work going abroad is temporary. Doesn't matter if its for a year or two years. You can't stay that long in another country working.

I think he means emigrate as opposed to migrate. When people up and move and become citizens of another country.

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

2,000 are you crazy? All work going abroad is temporary. Doesn't matter if its for a year or two years. You can't stay that long in another country working.

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what this means?

Are you saying all those people count as genuine emmigrants? They're gone for a year or two, depending on their work permits, then they're back to Ireland again

Synyster Shadow

Grayson wrote: »

I've known people who waited just so they could get it. I also know someone who was unemployed 6 months and was heading back to college in a further 3 months when they changed the limit from 9 months to 12 months. The guy went anyway and lost the allowance. He decided education was worth it. Ended up working part time here and there and taking years out inbetween. Took nearly 7 years in the end. It really sucks.

But as someone else pointed out, there's other stuff they can do in the meanwhile.

he was lucky to get part-time work

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

Please don't listen to him. You don't have work that many hours. That means youve been working 20 years as an electrician to be able to work their as well. 9,000 hours at 5 days a week at 8 hours a day is nearly 20 years. He wouldn't have getting working visa if the hours were that high!!!!

Not a sparks so I was going on memory. It's something he'll need to look into rather than just arriving in Canada and thinking "Deadly, job for me". I'll wager he got the work visa on the IEC scheme, which is a visa for everyone under 35 in Ireland that gives you 2 years in the country, and not a day more. Again, that's not emigrating properly, that's working somewhere for a couple of years then getting kicked out

DonkeyStyle \o/

FearDark wrote: »

...get out and have a damn life.
...you are a loser, a waste of life. Stop your whinging...
Lazy thats what you are.

Dad?!

smellsfunny

COYVB wrote: »

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what this means?

Are you saying all those people count as genuine emmigrants? They're gone for a year or two, depending on their work permits, then they're back to Ireland again

I don't mean they all count as genuine emigrants. They have migrated in search of work. J1 Visas for the summer are not included in that number. If they get permanent residences in the country they went to, then great.

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2012/09/27/irish-emigration-rises-by-16-per-cent/

Grayson

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

he was lucky to get part-time work

He started 8 years ago. the employment situation was different. If it was now, it'd probably be a case of wait till the year after.

COYVB

smellsfunny wrote: »

I don't mean they all count as genuine emigrants. They have migrated in search of work. J1 Visas for the summer are not included in that number. If they get permanent residences in the country they went to, then great.

You're listing the people who left the country in search of work. That number was 46,000 you say, of those, at least 40,000 will be back in ireland within 3 years, therefore they DON'T count as emigrants. Emigration isn't a 2 year working holiday