Ante post Cheltenham Part II

Dubron

Have backed all these each way at various stages and a few of them are thrown into different multiples too.

Champion Hurdle: Countrywide Flame 20/1
Arkle: Overturn 7/1
National Hunt Chase: Rival D' Etruvail 12/1
RSA: Lyreen Legend 40/1
Champion Bumper: Faugheen 25/1
Gold Cup: First Lieutenant 14/1

dicky dunne

Done my 3rd ante post bet tonight - €40 on flemenstar to win the gold cup at 11/1 NRNB with boyles

Of the opinion that if he wins the Hennessy he'll half in price and be a live contender, if he doesn't see it out they might not go for the GC

At present he ranges from 7/1-12/1 so I'm happy with the odds I got considering its NRNB.....it's also NRNB for the champion hurdle for anyone interested

ste2010

Dubron wrote: »

Have backed all these each way at various stages and a few of them are thrown into different multiples too.

Champion Hurdle: Countrywide Flame 20/1
Arkle: Overturn 7/1
National Hunt Chase: Rival D' Etruvail 12/1
RSA: Lyreen Legend 40/1
Champion Bumper: Faugheen 25/1
Gold Cup: First Lieutenant 14/1

Lyreen legend was one I was looking at last night when profiling the RSA. He was well there in leopardstown 3 out over the Xmas. Would be interested to see what dessie Hughes said after the race an his intentions for him. His price could be very generous..just a pity he didn't fall at the 2nd last or last to see a bit more on how he took to his trip. One of the lads in work who is well in in some regard got a tip for lyreen legend that day over 3

mdwexford

Slattsy wrote: »

The major negative(s) are David Pipe and Tom Scudamore.

Not ideal alright but wouldn't stop me backing him.

Suarez20 wrote: »

dynaste will not win, he wont stay, he'd walk the jewson though i think!

He has won over 3 miles over hurdles and fences, he stays just fine.

ste2010

mdwexford wrote: »

Not ideal alright but wouldn't stop me backing him.



He has won over 3 miles over hurdles and fences, he stays just fine.

You have to admit MD he has a very similar profile to grans crus last year be it he looks even better..

longshotvalue

Offering myself up for a bit of ridicule here, but having a look at the Champion Hurdle market now, Binocular is obviously overpriced at 25. His run at the weekend was actually pretty decent despite not trying at all, and really on form he is as good if not better than the likes of Zarkandar and Granduoet.. Im already on Rock on Ruby at 12/1, and if im honest im hoping HF wins..

Ive had a bet at 25 on betfair

Nulty

I knew Pricewise would go for Monksland. Can anyone confirm? Him and Solwhit are contracting on oddschecker

UrbanSea

aidankkk wrote: »

Offering myself up for a bit of ridicule here, but having a look at the Champion Hurdle market now, Binocular is obviously overpriced at 25. His run at the weekend was actually pretty decent despite not trying at all, and really on form he is as good if not better than the likes of Zarkandar and Granduoet.. Im already on Rock on Ruby at 12/1, and if im honest im hoping HF wins..

Ive had a bet at 25 on betfair

I'll be backing him too Aidan

Colonel Sanders

Nulty wrote: »

I knew Pricewise would go for Monksland. Can anyone confirm? Him and Solwhit are contracting on oddschecker

I'd forgotten he was getting his mits onto the World Hurdle in Thursday's paper

Dubron

ste2010 wrote: »

Lyreen legend was one I was looking at last night when profiling the RSA. He was well there in leopardstown 3 out over the Xmas. Would be interested to see what dessie Hughes said after the race an his intentions for him. His price could be very generous..just a pity he didn't fall at the 2nd last or last to see a bit more on how he took to his trip. One of the lads in work who is well in in some regard got a tip for lyreen legend that day over 3

Can't help you there, only guessing it'll be the RSA he's aimed at. One of my favourite horses so I'll be backing him wherever he ends up. Just thought the 40s available was too big.

ste2010

RichieLawlessness wrote: »

I'll be backing him too Aidan

Urban you have a secret love affair with binocular and it has just come out that explains the recent defence.. ;-)!!
I can't see the attraction whatsoever

mdwexford

ste2010 wrote: »

You have to admit MD he has a very similar profile to grans crus last year be it he looks even better..

Of course he does.

So far nothing much looks to be providing much opposition and to me personally I think he looks better than GC did last year.

aidankkk wrote: »

Offering myself up for a bit of ridicule here, but having a look at the Champion Hurdle market now, Binocular is obviously overpriced at 25. His run at the weekend was actually pretty decent despite not trying at all, and really on form he is as good if not better than the likes of Zarkandar and Granduoet.. Im already on Rock on Ruby at 12/1, and if im honest im hoping HF wins..

Ive had a bet at 25 on betfair

I've always loved Binocular and I think we have rarely seen the best of him for one reason or another.

If he can put in a performance like he did in his Champion Hurdle win and the ground is similar he should certainly make the frame at least.

SRFC

Suarez20 wrote: »

yeah def think une artiste is good choice, will throw her in a lucky 15 also, quevega could be more vulnerable this year, i found last years victory was hardest shes ever had to work for it!
kentford lady will be going mares and cant see unaccompanied winning anyway.
Other ones i like are champion court in ryanair, can see many in market around him not turning up
aupcharlie in jewson, prefer him to oscars well who always lets you down!
think salsify is a huge price for foxhunters, once i get paid tonight be a few euros going on him to win again!

It would take an act of god for quevega to get beaten against them mares if she turns up in the race this year une artiste wont get her off the bridle she bolted up last year aswell dunno how you thought she had to work hard to any extent


Dynaste is worthy fav weather dont know if ill be backing him but if you look at the betting apart from him and BB,You have Back in focus a decent animal but butchered to beat Aupcharlie who has been beaten since,Unioniste who won a handicap last time getting lumps of weight beating walkon whose won once since 2009.then you have rocky creek who might not go and hadrians approach who dynaste has beaten easily already so he wont be winning then its any price the rest who have no chance so 5/2 could look big come the day.

Slattsy

SRFC wrote: »

It would take an act of god for quevega to get beaten against them mares if she turns up in the race this year une artiste wont get her off the bridle she bolted up last year aswell dunno how you thought she had to work hard to any extent


Dynaste is worthy fav weather dont know if ill be backing him but if you look at the betting apart from him and BB,You have Back in focus a decent animal but butchered to beat Aupcharlie who has been beaten since,Unioniste who won a handicap last time getting lumps of weight beating walkon whose won once since 2009.then you have rocky creek who might not go and hadrians approach who dynaste has beaten easily already so he wont be winning then its any price the rest who have no chance so 5/2 could look big come the day.

And that's exactly why I backed Boston Bob last night. 7/1

longshotvalue

Slattsy wrote: »

And that's exactly why I backed Boston Bob last night. 7/1

I think he is great value at that, and have backed him as well. He is a grinder which is what is required here..

Slattsy

Just a tad worried that he's only had the one run to date.
Entered in the Moriarty, and hopefully he gives a good account (by winning 24 lenghts) there.

Suarez20

yeah same here but think i'll leave the big ew bet for the morning of that race, want to be sure he's going to run and that it was the ground that made them pull him out of the races before and not an underlying problem! if hes due to run the 7/1 ew for chelt could be buying money!

On quevega point, in comparison to other years i think when ruby pressed go,it took her longer last year to respond than any of the other years, obviously i'd love to see her win again but une artiste ew is another bet to nothing i think!

SRFC

I would be shocked if BB or Dynaste dont win the RSA,Ill be watching BB run and if hes beaten I'll be backing Dynaste straight away at 5/2 rest have no chance in that race,Dynaste has proven Cheltenham form,stays,hasnt come off the bridle yet running against handicap chasers in the making he's the real deal and only for Grand crus getting beaten last year with a similar profile this would be 7/4.

SRFC

Suarez20 wrote: »

yeah same here but think i'll leave the big ew bet for the morning of that race, want to be sure he's going to run and that it was the ground that made them pull him out of the races before and not an underlying problem! if hes due to run the 7/1 ew for chelt could be buying money!
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On quevega point, in comparison to other years i think when ruby pressed go,it took her longer last year to respond than any of the other years, obviously i'd love to see her win again but une artiste ew is another bet to nothing i think!

Won as easy as you like I wouldnt be backing une artiste against her just because she didnt win by 10 like the previous year,she still dotted up last year on the bridle at the last hurdle 2 slaps and she put 5 lengths between them,On a line throught Alasi and Kentford grey lady une artiste ought to place but it could be another bunch finish because theres not much between the mares in England,Im going all in on quevega anyways she'll lose one day but she owes me nothing soon as its NrNb its time to bet like a man

Overthelast

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

All he has to do now is run. Then win!

He was sold at brightwells for £250k and has moved to none other than w Mullins according to the weekender.

thinking of doing a wedge on sprinter sacre,quevega,and simonsig. bit of an obvious bet, but it will be my big treble of the week.waiting for nrnb.

Colonel Sanders

Mark Howard tipped Rival D'Estruval for the 4 miler in his February update at 12/1

Apparently Derek O'Connor has already been booked & he goes there without another run

tucker1971

SRFC wrote: »

I would be shocked if BB or Dynaste dont win the RSA,Ill be watching BB run and if hes beaten I'll be backing Dynaste straight away at 5/2 rest have no chance in that race,Dynaste has proven Cheltenham form,stays,hasnt come off the bridle yet running against handicap chasers in the making he's the real deal and only for Grand crus getting beaten last year with a similar profile this would be 7/4.

With regard to Dynaste an interesting stat is that about 18 horses who had won the feltham chase failed to land the RSA also.

Johner

At 12/1 I think Back In Focus is worth a bet for the 4 miler with Victor Chandler. He is entitled to take his place in the RSA but with connections more than likely going to be having Boston Bob in the race and Back In Focus looking made for the 4 miler I think they might go for that.

A lot could happen between now and Cheltenham and Back In Focus could end up being the number one hope for the RSA for Willie Mullins but if that does happen I'll get my stake back as a free bet anyway so its worth a shot.

SRFC

tucker1971 wrote: »

With regard to Dynaste an interesting stat is that about 18 horses who had won the feltham chase failed to land the RSA also.

Trends are there to be broken that stat is keeping the price up aswell I dont know if ill back him but I sure as hell wouldnt be a layer at 5/2 cant see anything bar boston bob to give him a race.

faoile@n

Boston Bob hasn't been seen since late making a late debut over fences. He excels on soft going so the ground isn't why he hasn't been running.

He more than likely has suffered a setback (or has had niggly problems) and I certainly wouldn't be backing him AP for Cheltenham without seeing him on the race course again.

Colonel Sanders

tucker1971 wrote: »

With regard to Dynaste an interesting stat is that about 18 horses who had won the feltham chase failed to land the RSA also.

I'm guessing that a lot behind that is Cheltenham & Kempton are vastly different tracks

How many of the 18 had winning form at Cheltenham? Dynaste was also 2nd to big bucks in last years Cleeve

Trabolgan was only short headed in 2004 before winning the RSA

premierstone

ste2010 wrote: »

You have to admit MD he has a very similar profile to grans crus last year be it he looks even better..

Two differences for me though, personally i think he has actually been slightly more impressive that GC in that while not a sobviously flashy as GC was in he's Feltham he looks a more out and out stayer, which fits the profile needed for the rsa.

And secondly and far more significantly I don't see any Bobs Worth or First Lieutenant lurking in the field here, its a weak looking race with one proven very good animal at the head of the market, 5/2 looks generous to me.

premierstone

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I'm guessing that a lot behind that is Cheltenham & Kempton are vastly different tracks

How many of the 18 had winning form at Cheltenham? Dynaste was also 2nd to big bucks in last years Cleeve

Trabolgan was only short headed in 2004 before winning the RSA

Percisely, there are some stats that need to be heeded as they make logical sense, but there really is absolutely no reason why a Feltham winner shouldn't proceed to win the RSA, its not as if they are ran close to each other either.

Maybe someone else has a theory though as to why it may be a factor??

premierstone

premierstone wrote: »

Percisely, there are some stats that need to be heeded as they make logical sense, but there really is absolutely no reason why a Feltham winner shouldn't proceed to win the RSA, its not as if they are ran close to each other either.

Maybe someone else has a theory though as to why it may be a factor??

You need a speed horse to win a Feltham, you don't to win an RSA, would be the obvious angle.

I'm not sure it's a trend worth getting too hung up on. But I'd be all for taking on Dynaste, aside from anything else his record in the spring is poor and his world hurdle run wasn't great. He may very well be the classiest horse in the race but that doesn't mean he'll get home.

I'm on the look out for an unfashionable plodder. All suggestions welcome.

Have some interesting news from aj,s yard.i will post it later when i get home from work,about 11.00pm tonight.i,m on my phone and the info is in a txt so a bit awkward to post atm.will deffo check in later.

Slattsy

droidman123 wrote: »

Have some interesting news from aj,s yard.i will post it later when i get home from work,about 11.00pm tonight.i,m on my phone and the info is in a txt so a bit awkward to post atm.will deffo check in later.

Who's yard?

ft9

Slattsy wrote: »

Who's yard?

AJ Martin as in Tony Martin perhaps?

fangee

Slattsy wrote: »

Who's yard?

A J Martin's I presume.

Slattsy

Slattsy wrote: »

Who's yard?

Tony martin

jimjamcos

Johner wrote: »

At 12/1 I think Back In Focus is worth a bet for the 4 miler with Victor Chandler. He is entitled to take his place in the RSA but with connections more than likely going to be having Boston Bob in the race and Back In Focus looking made for the 4 miler I think they might go for that.

A lot could happen between now and Cheltenham and Back In Focus could end up being the number one hope for the RSA for Willie Mullins but if that does happen I'll get my stake back as a free bet anyway so its worth a shot.

Seen an interview with Patrick Mullins where he said he was begging his father to run him in 4 miler but didn't seem too confident about getting his way.

premierstone

Deleted User wrote: »

You need a speed horse to win a Feltham, you don't to win an RSA, would be the obvious angle.

I'm not sure it's a trend worth getting too hung up on. But I'd be all for taking on Dynaste, aside from anything else his record in the spring is poor and his world hurdle run wasn't great. He may very well be the classiest horse in the race but that doesn't mean he'll get home.

I'm on the look out for an unfashionable plodder. All suggestions welcome.

Yeah obviously you need a turn of foot to win a Feltham on a flat track but my question really was what is to say that horse with the required speed to win a Feltham can't have the neccessary scope to win the RSA, there not exclusive attributes.

As for not being a spring horse I'm not so sure, he's best run over Hurdles was in last years Cleeve and the Good to Soft ground is likely to be what he encounters in the RSA, true he's performance in the World Hurdle was dissapointing, but definitely not enough to put me off.

Your last sentence is what sums this race up in a nutshell for me, everyone is looking for an alternative, but no one can find one! Sometimes the most obvious winner is just that

I fully intend backing him on the day, unless Boston Bob does something very impressive in the meantime.

premierstone

premierstone wrote: »

Yeah obviously you need a turn of foot to win a Feltham on a flat track but my question really was what is to say that horse with the required speed to win a Feltham can't have the neccessary scope to win the RSA, there not exclusive attributes.

As for not being a spring horse I'm not so sure, he's best run over Hurdles was in last years Cleeve and the Good to Soft ground is likely to be what he encounters in the RSA, true he's performance in the World Hurdle was dissapointing, but definitely not enough to put me off.

Your last sentence is what sums this race up in a nutshell for me, everyone is looking for an alternative, but no one can find one! Sometimes the most obvious winner is just that

Yep like I say the trend is no big thing for me. The only thing that it says is that the same qualities that can win a Feltham might not help much in the RSA. Doesn't mean you can't have both (it's not like horses don't do the KG and GC double)

I'm going to be honest I'm pretty ignorant about some of the alternatives but I do think the race has an angle this year, I intend to go and find it at some stage...

Backstreet Moyes

Looking at an acc for interest only a fiver at 50/1 but if they get their safely i will be happy enough.

Sprinter Sacre, Simonsig, Quevega, Dynaste and Pont Alexandre.

Suarez20

the accumulators rarely come off! i honestly can't see dynaste winning, something will beat him! Pont alex v new one? that is some match up, english fancy new one big time, pont alex is a galloper, will he take sting out of the new one, not too sure!

No prob. Bog warrior wil go in the world hurdle only if ground is right. Tomas knows guy who owns golantilla in bumpber martin trains it paid 350k for it says its a machine should win 12s into 7s at min going to have anti post on it. Keep an eye on betting 4 make the most of now 4m chase tomas bred it he spoke to trainer has hopes 4 it 40s at min could be worth small ew nibble


Ok guys this is the exact txt message i got from my mate in relation to aj martins yard for cheltenham.nothing really new about bog warrior but the other 2 horses could be worth taking note of.i,m in work so i didnt get time to check out the form or prices etc. Just passing the info on.

rossom

Says Makethemost Ofnow is trained by Evan Williams. Perhaps he's moved to Tony Martin and the RP haven't updated it yet?

rossom

rossom wrote: »

Says Makethemost Ofnow is trained by Evan Williams. Perhaps he's moved to Tony Martin and the RP haven't updated it yet?

Not too sure, i just copied and pasted the exact txt message.i wont get time to check out the details til i get home later this evening.oh hang on, thomas his cousin bred it, indeed mayby it is still with williams cos i know he had horses with williams before.

Colonel Sanders

Trainer is listed as Evan Williams

Breeder Thomas Hanley

jayroyal

Defy Logic is entered in three races over next few days , thinking of having a few dollars in the Albert Bartlett at 33/1 before his next race . He is also 25/1 for the Neptune but it a guess where he might go.

Colonel Sanders

Just read Mark Howard's February update

He doubts River Maigue is good enough to win the supreme, reckons he should run in the county hurdle off 136

Suggests Super Duty might be "crying out" for 3m and reckons he's of interest in the RSA, but would like him off 139 in either the old William Hill or The Kim Muir

ste2010

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Just read Mark Howard's February update

He doubts River Maigue is good enough to win the supreme, reckons he should run in the county hurdle off 136

Suggests Super Duty might be "crying out" for 3m and reckons he's of interest in the RSA, but would like him off 139 in either the old William Hill or The Kim Muir

Was just looking at super duty and was thinking the same. His breeding line would suggest he'd get further and if that isnt enough his dam is a half sister to the dam that produced back in focus

Colonel Sanders

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

He doubts River Maigue is good enough to win the supreme, reckons he should run in the county hurdle off 136

Forgot to add River Maigue is in his 40 to follow so the comment is quite telling

SRFC

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Just read Mark Howard's February update

He doubts River Maigue is good enough to win the supreme, reckons he should run in the county hurdle off 136

Suggests Super Duty might be "crying out" for 3m and reckons he's of interest in the RSA, but would like him off 139 in either the old William Hill or The Kim Muir

Cant understand anybody who punts on these tipsters word If you fancy River Maigue back it dont be put off by someone in the media's opinion.

rossom

jayroyal wrote: »

Defy Logic is entered in three races over next few days , thinking of having a few dollars in the Albert Bartlett at 33/1 before his next race . He is also 25/1 for the Neptune but it a guess where he might go.

Waiting for this one for a while myself. I think he may go AB myself (purely to ignore Pont Alexandre!)