A lp advice

josh79

Hi guys just passed the DTT today and gonna apply for the A lp ( I'm over 24 ) is there any other thread or some kind of list about that will show what bikes fit into this bracket and would b suitable for a learner I havnt had a bike now for over 10 yrs so I'm very much starting all over again thanks in advance for the help

Roadcraft

The 'A' learner permit is unrestricted so after your IBT you can ride any size of bike on it.

For the 'A' category IBT training or test the bike must be at least 595cc 40KW.

It would depend what style of bike you like cruiser, sports, etc. but popular starting bikes would be the bandit, fazer or hornet 600's.

Best to get an insurance quote before you buy to make sure they will cover you on the bike you would like to get.

drunkmonkey

Roadcraft wrote: »

Best to get an insurance quote before you buy to make sure they will cover you on the bike you would like to get.

Is there a list of bikes that would be ok to Insure for anyone over 24. I'm even struggling to get a quote for an unrestricted 600 with a provisional. It's really starting to look like a Yamaha 660XT or something along those lines without having an advanced driving course done.

josh79

Thanks for that I think I'm leaning towards a Honda Deauville 650/700 i think it's prob the sensible route for the first few yrs and its seems to just about cover the criteria for the full A

drunkmonkey

josh79 wrote: »

Thanks for that I think I'm leaning towards a Honda Deauville 650/700 i think it's prob the sensible route for the first few yrs and its seems to just about cover the criteria for the full A

Are you sure it covers you if you don't do your test before December, I think the power output goes up then so it might not do you for the full A Test in 2014.

How are you getting on with the quotes for it? Anyone ask you for a level 2 assessment yet?

josh79

I just passed the dtt on tue so havn got around to getting quotes yet I had a spin on a friends deauville (650) today and it felt quiet comfortable for starting off on but if that won't do for the full A Licence then I'll hav to look at something else thats y I'm on here lookin for advice off more experienced people, I'll hav to do a bit more research regarding changes in 2014 if that's the case because I might not b ready for my test b4 then but ya never know

szatan84

Roadcraft wrote: »

The 'A' learner permit is unrestricted so after your IBT you can ride any size of bike on it.

Wrong! As a person who changed they're a lp into an a full less then a month ago I can say that an a lp is retricted to 25kw OR 0.16 kw/kg. This rwstriction is in place for 2 years after u get a full license. A lp is ALWAYS restricted to that.

josh79

got this off the rsa website if your over 24

You can apply after the 19th January 2013 for a Category A learner permit which allows you to ride a motorcycle of unrestricted power output. You can then take your driving test by presenting to the test in the representative vehicle which is a minimum of 595cm3 and an engine power of at least 40kW. If you pass the driving test, you will be issued with a Category A certificate of competency which you can exchange for a Category A full licence in your local Motor Taxation Office, and which is unrestricted.

so goin on this i think a deauville falls into this i hope

Peanut2011

szatan84 wrote: »

Wrong! As a person who changed they're a lp into an a full less then a month ago I can say that an a lp is retricted to 25kw OR 0.16 kw/kg. This rwstriction is in place for 2 years after u get a full license. A lp is ALWAYS restricted to that.

That was the OLD type A, from 19th of January the rules have changed, so Roadskill is correct!

josh79

it says AFTER 19th of jan so its the new rules they way im reading it

Peanut2011

josh79 wrote: »

it says AFTER 19th of jan so its the new rules they way im reading it

Josh yes you are correct, you can then take your driving test by presenting to the test in the representative vehicle which is a minimum of 595cm3 and an engine power of at least 40kW.

Considering Deauville 650cc has 41kW as max output you fall in this category.

szatan84

Peanut2011 wrote: »

That was the OLD type A, from 19th of January the rules have changed, so Roadskill is correct!

That is weird as I changed my licenae to a full one and I got a full with restrictions. Are u telling me if I waited I wouldhave got a unrestricted as I'm 29?

kaimera

szatan84 wrote: »

That is weird as I changed my licenae to a full one and I got a full with restrictions. Are u telling me if I waited I wouldhave got a unrestricted as I'm 29?

Short answer = no.

josh79

yeah i think so here is the address to the document i found on the rsa website http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%203.pdf

Peanut2011

szatan84 wrote: »

That is weird as I changed my licenae to a full one and I got a full with restrictions. Are u telling me if I waited I wouldhave got a unrestricted as I'm 29?

No, if you waited to apply after 19th you would have received full A2.

Roadcraft

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Josh yes you are correct, you can then take your driving test by presenting to the test in the representative vehicle which is a minimum of 595cm3 and an engine power of at least 40kW.

Considering Deauville 650cc has 41kW as max output you fall in this category.

Correct but this will change in November to min 595cc 50KW 180kgs

josh79

Roadcraft wrote: »

Correct but this will change in November to min 595cc 50KW 180kgs

I didn't notice the November change on the RSA website is it wrote on there coz if that's the case bike choice over the nxt few months will be very important

drunkmonkey

I was on to liberty today they want the bike restricted to 25kw regardless of what the RSA say, tbh the whole thing is a bad joke, RSA say bike has to be X and the insurance companies are going no frigging way can you have insurance without restriction.

They've a talk to form here I think this whole unrestricted insurance needs to be trashed out with them there as they'll put nothing in writing, how can they ask for a restriction below what the RSA state you have to have as a minimum.

Roadcraft

josh79 wrote: »

I didn't notice the November change on the RSA website is it wrote on there coz if that's the case bike choice over the nxt few months will be very important

Yes have a look at the IBT information booklet, they have a copy of it on there website.

Please note that from November 2013 the motorcycle used for either IBT training or driving test purposes in Category 'A' must have a minimum power output of 50kw and an unladen mass of at least 180-kgs.

josh79

Roadcraft wrote: »

Yes have a look at the IBT information booklet, they have a copy of it on there website.

Please note that from November 2013 the motorcycle used for either IBT training or driving test purposes in Category 'A' must have a minimum power output of 50kw and an unladen mass of at least 180-kgs.

Thanks for the heads up, with that and the insurance company's they don't make it easy

drunkmonkey

List of bikes, weights and power are here http://www.magireland.org/a2-license-facts/ So basically you want something over 50KW and 180kg that's insurance friendly for starters.
I'll probably be spending that rest of the night trying to find a bike I like that ticks all the boxes.

prunudo

Roadcraft wrote: »

Correct but this will change in November to min 595cc 50KW 180kgs

As a matter of interest why are they changing it again?

kaimera

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was on to liberty today they want the bike restricted to 25kw regardless of what the RSA say, tbh the whole thing is a bad joke, RSA say bike has to be X and the insurance companies are going no frigging way can you have insurance without restriction.

They've a talk to form here I think this whole unrestricted insurance needs to be trashed out with them there as they'll put nothing in writing, how can they ask for a restriction below what the RSA state you have to have as a minimum.

Wow.

That's an epic ****ing fail.