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why are there no J D Wetherspoon pubs in ROI?

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    #422
    Sleepy
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    It'll be interesting to see how they get on with Tonic and the 40 Foot. Haven't lived that side of Dublin for about 5 years but can't remember either place ever doing a good trade...


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    #423
    dd972
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    Sleepy wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see how they get on with Tonic and the 40 Foot. Haven't lived that side of Dublin for about 5 years but can't remember either place ever doing a good trade...

    Jack O'Rourkes the nicest boozer in Blackrock, The Breffni's boring, while Tonic's hit and miss regarding the beers they have on tap which seem to change quite frequently.


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    #424
    Menas
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    musicfan1ie wrote: »
    They only have a selection if you like ales, which I hate!! Otherwise, they sell fosters, carling, Stella, Guinness. Not exactly a selection either

    Its the ales on draft that I like!


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    #425
    Seaneh
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    JohnFalstaff wrote: »
    Seems Wetherspoons aren't the only chain that are looking to expand into the Irish market.

    Article here says that Greene King and a third unnamed group are also looking to open premises in this country:

    http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/british-pub-giants-compete-to-open-bars-in-ireland


    Green King make ****e beer.


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    #426
    Lucena
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Green King make ****e beer.

    Do they have guest (or non-Greene King) beers in their pubs though?


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    #427
    Seaneh
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    Lucena wrote: »
    Do they have guest (or non-Greene King) beers in their pubs though?

    most of the beer sin their pubs in greene king stuff.

    They are a very average brewery and it's evident that they don't care much about the quality of the beer they make, seeing as they bottle it in clear glass bottles.

    If greene king open here, I won't be going to one.


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    #428
    JohnFalstaff
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Green King make ****e beer.

    I had one recently for the first time. There was a Greene King IPA included in the Dunnes world beers 5 for a tenner offer.

    It was alright but not a patch on the O'Hara beers that were also part of the offer.

    Is there a chance that these home produced beers from smaller Irish brewers will be available in places like Wetherspoons or do they only sell their own stuff?


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    #429
    Links234
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    As far as Greene King goes, Abbot Ale and Strong Suffolk are decent enough, but I wouldn't be dashing out to one of their pubs either.

    I'd hope the unnamed chain is either a Brew Dog, Nicholson's or Fullers. I've always found that Nicholson's have a fantastic range of cask ales


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    #430
    razorblunt
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    Links234 wrote: »
    As far as Greene King goes, Abbot Ale and Strong Suffolk are decent enough, but I wouldn't be dashing out to one of their pubs either.

    I'd hope the unnamed chain is either a Brew Dog, Nicholson's or Fullers. I've always found that Nicholson's have a fantastic range of cask ales

    You're not wrong! More beer on offer and food is better (though still nothing to right home about)


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    #431
    Allyall
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    “People can come into our pubs, enjoy a couple of pints of real ale and ham, egg and chips..." http://i.imgur.com/3wRab3L.gif

    Could the other pub chain be Marston's? Never heard of them, but they're mentioned with the other two in this article.

    U.K. Pub Chains Grow in Recession Even as Closures Hit Record


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    #432
    Mr Whirly
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    Mr Simpson wrote: »
    Only rumours that they're looking at premises

    They said on twitter a while ago that they were actively looking at premesis in Dublin.

    They are really expensive though. It is possible to get a pitcher of Punk IPA in Dublin for 15 euro at the moment. It works out almost cheaper than their beer in off licences. I fear it is a mistake and will get corrected unfortunately.


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    #433
    mikeym
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    What harm can they do in Dublin City?

    Theres too many rip-off pubs there.


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    #434
    Allyall
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    W. G. Grace wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZRwDft6eI


    Why does an English Cricketer keep posting that? Like a Rick Roll? :confused:


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    #435
    Links234
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    W. G. Grace wrote: »
    This is the worst thing to happen to Ireland since the Black and Tans. Why isn't the Vintners lobbying against this?

    Will you please stop posting complete nonsense already? Seriously, greatest threat to Ireland this, worse thing to happen that... Stop it!


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    #436
    Lucena
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    W. G. Grace wrote: »
    :D need 50 posts for the football forum

    Ah, so you're the beardy guy behind the goals at Lissywollen! ;)


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    #437
    [Deleted User]
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    W. G. Grace wrote: »
    :D need 50 posts for the football forum

    Sucks to be you :)

    Don't spam this forum again.


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    #438
    Idbatterim
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    cant wait to see what effect this will have, particularly if one opens in templebar! People need to understand that even if you dont want to ever step foot in a spoons if its near a pub you frequent, it is likely they will have to drop prices somewhat to compete. Its like Ryanair and AerLingus, you might not want to every fly with Ryanair, but do you think Aer Lingus fairs would be so competitive if it werent for Ryanair... competition is great for consumers! They are a sort of aldi and lidl of the pub market :) where will they be sourcing their alcohol?


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    #439
    Allyall
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sucks to be you :)

    Don't spam this forum again.

    I just realised what you did..

    I couldn't help laughing.. :o


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    #440
    awec
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    cant wait to see what effect this will have, particularly if one opens in templebar! People need to understand that even if you dont want to ever step foot in a spoons if its near a pub you frequent, it is likely they will have to drop prices somewhat to compete. Its like Ryanair and AerLingus, you might not want to every fly with Ryanair, but do you think Aer Lingus fairs would be so competitive if it werent for Ryanair... competition is great for consumers! They are a sort of aldi and lidl of the pub market :) where will they be sourcing their alcohol?

    This will not happen.


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    #441
    Idbatterim
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    This will not happen.
    how do you reckon that? value for money is everything to people at the moment!


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    #442
    Karl Stein
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    Compared to an average Irish carvery lunch and pint of lager what are WS's dinners and beers like?


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    #443
    awec
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    how do you reckon that? value for money is everything to people at the moment!

    The Wetherspoons in Belfast has no affect whatsoever on the price of pints for example. And you could get pints for 99p in that place at one point I'm pretty sure.

    As has been said in the thread a few times - other pubs know that the vast majority of people will not spend the entire night in Wetherspoons - one or two pints is generally it. People are generally happy to pay the extra to go to a better bar.


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    #444
    Strumms
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    I would hope we don't see them. Whatever about the argument of the price of alcohol in pubs I would even trade that bit extra we pay currently for NOT having them around.

    The great thing about the majority of Irish pubs is that they have character, an individuality. Some are better then others but Id seriously hate to see us go the way of chain pubs. They all look the same, inside and out. Zero character, no atmosphere, crappy music, same (****) menu, same ****ty beer.. the beer in Weatherspoons in the UK is **** btw... and I cant speak much for the staff(ing).. anytime i've been where its been anyway busy and i've always been in a Q for an eternity and they don't seem to hire based on how useful you might be or if you know the meaning of the words efficient or hurry the **** up for that matter. .

    Already any high street in this damn country is like a plastic identikit flat pack soulless replica of UK dullness... Boots, Burger King / McD, Subway, Star****s, JD Sports blah blah... lets go the whole hog and welcome Weatherspoons, a **** bar that will put good bars out of business who might just not be able to compete due to price. If I want just to get hammered on a budget id stay at home and drink cans.. if I want to go to a good bar for a nice vibe.. good clientele etc. (weatherspoons is a **** scum magnet) price would be a consideration but not an overriding factor... I would never consider Weatherspoon and Id consider it a sad day were they to open here.

    Choose between saving 50 cent on a pint ? or choose going to a decent bar.


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    #445
    Idbatterim
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    Choose between saving 50 cent on a pint ? or choose going to a decent bar.
    I'm assuming the pints will be around half the "normal" cost?...


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    #446
    Strumms
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I'm assuming the pints will be around half the "normal" cost?...

    am I missing something at this odd hour or do you reckon now that they would be selling pints at 2.50 or something.. I guess you might as well dream here as in bed.. or both.


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    #447
    Allyall
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    Strumms wrote: »
    am I missing something at this odd hour or do you reckon now that they would be selling pints at 2.50 or something.. I guess you might as well dream here as in bed.. or both.
    I'd expect at least 40% off current prices.

    If they are roughly the same price, minus atmosphere, i can't see what the attraction would be.

    Mind you, after most of the posts in this thread, i already have a horrible picture of them in my head..


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    #448
    awec
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    They actually don't look that horrible inside - just a bit bland.

    They look like a cross between a cheap hotel bar and a café.


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    Strumms
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    awec wrote: »
    They actually don't look that horrible inside - just a bit bland.

    They look like a cross between a cheap hotel bar and a café.

    Bland, cheap hotel bar and cafe = horrible... With all the great bars in this city... Seriously !

    To be honest I think as a poster said very early on in this thread it would be so hard for them to break into the market.. Cheap booze will attract a 'certain element' which no matter what door policy or otherwise will ultimately get you a reputation of sorts.. And most of he right thinking people will avoid a place like that like the plague...


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    #450
    osarusan
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    awec wrote: »
    The Wetherspoons in Belfast has no affect whatsoever on the price of pints for example. And you could get pints for 99p in that place at one point I'm pretty sure.

    As has been said in the thread a few times - other pubs know that the vast majority of people will not spend the entire night in Wetherspoons - one or two pints is generally it. People are generally happy to pay the extra to go to a better bar.
    How ironic it would be if in Ireland, with its famed and unique pub atmosphere/culture (c), it turned out that people were happy to spend the entire night in one, just because the prices were cheaper.


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    #451
    Allyall
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    awec wrote: »
    They actually don't look that horrible inside - just a bit bland.

    They look like a cross between a cheap hotel bar and a café.

    I don't know why i have this image, it's a mixture of posts i suppose, but i am imagining a massive open space area, with minimal furniture, kinda cold, and no music. People mostly standing around with fixed tables/shelves to put your drinks on..

    Converted Supermarkets/Cinema shells/Warehouses/Post Offices.. They don't sound too appealing. Unless it was to have a few cheap drinks before you went 'out'.


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