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why are there no J D Wetherspoon pubs in ROI?

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    #872
    Seaneh
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    do wetherspoons have any good ciders?

    In the UK they sell the likes of Stowford Press, Old Rosie and a Tatchers Gold, which are all decent ciders.

    No idea what the Irish range is like.


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    #873
    drumswan
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    It's 'hand-crafted' that grinds my gears like oh wow, someone used their hands to make something :rolleyes:

    Don't even get me started on 'hand-cut sandwiches' or 'hand crafted coffee' :mad:

    Sometimes I spend nearly ten minutes making myself a coffee at home, grinding beans, timing the shot, steaming and frothing milk, all that stuff. But I'd never be so up my own arse as to describe it as a 'hand-crafted coffee'!Especially not when it was actually the mechanical ability of the machine to brew at the correct temperature and dispense water at the precise pressure required to make the actual coffee taste as nice as it does. That's not 'hand-crafted coffee', it's 'machine perfected coffee', let's hear them call a spade a spade !

    Which establishments use these two phrases?


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    #874
    Links234
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    In the UK they sell the likes of Stowford Press, Old Rosie and a Tatchers Gold, which are all decent ciders.

    No idea what the Irish range is like.

    Oh man, Stowford Press was one incredible cider, they used to have it in the Salt House.


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    #875
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Yeah I like stowford press they had that in w.j. kavanaghs when i was there, I prefer various Aspall's though. Mmmmm


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    #876
    stimpson
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    Symonds and Thatchers Gold for Dublin.


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    #877
    old hippy
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    stimpson wrote: »
    Symonds and Thatchers Gold for Dublin.

    Both excellent choices


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    #878
    Karl Stein
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    I believe they'll be doing 'laser cut' sandwiches instead of 'hand cut'.


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    #879
    Muahahaha
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    do wetherspoons have any good ciders?

    3 ciders on the menu though two are Koppaberg so maybe not to everyone's taste.
    Drinks menu here


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    #880
    drumswan
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    stimpson wrote: »
    Symonds and Thatchers Gold for Dublin.

    Where you seeing this?


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    #881
    Seaneh
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    3 ciders on the menu though two are Koppaberg so maybe not to everyone's taste.
    Drinks menu here

    3 bottled ciders, but 2 draught ciders as well.


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    #882
    Seaneh
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    drumswan wrote: »
    Where you seeing this?

    menu in the post before yours.


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    #883
    Geuze
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    In the UK they sell the likes of Stowford Press, Old Rosie and a Tatchers Gold, which are all decent ciders.

    No idea what the Irish range is like.

    Two draught ciders on the menu.

    See here:

    http://fft.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Final-ROI-Menu_Page_2.jpg

    Symond's 4.5% = 3.95 pint
    Thatcher's Gold = 4.25 pint


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    #884
    Muahahaha
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    drumswan wrote: »
    Which establishments use these two phrases?

    I've seen the 'hand-cut sandwiches' thing primarily on hotel menus though some cafés are guilty of it too. 'Hand-crafted coffee' is a new enough one for me but I've now seen it on two blackboards outside coffee shops, one on Dawson St the other over behind the Powerscourt Centre. Needless to say I didn't stop to try out their wares, made incredibly with their hands :rolleyes:


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    #885
    drumswan
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I've seen the 'hand-cut sandwiches' thing primarily on hotel menus though some cafés are guilty of it too. 'Hand-crafted coffee' is a new enough one for me but I've now seen it on two blackboards outside coffee shops, one on Dawson St the other over behind the Powerscourt Centre. Needless to say I didn't stop to try out their wares, made incredibly with their hands :rolleyes:
    Which hotel menu? Can you post a link?


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    #886
    ScumLord
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I believe they'll be doing 'laser cut' sandwiches instead of 'hand cut'.
    It's probably cheaper to get a laser than find people who can karate chop a samwidge in half.


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    #887
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Two draught ciders on the menu.

    See here:

    http://fft.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Final-ROI-Menu_Page_2.jpg

    Symond's 4.5% = 3.95 pint
    Thatcher's Gold = 4.25 pint

    Nice!

    I'm tired of everywhere having bulmers alone, swill.
    Not that I like kopparberg much more, but others sound nice!


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    Whisko
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    Not really that cheap though is it?

    Just under a 5er a pint. Same as everywhere else.

    The weatherspoons in the UK is much cheaper. When they have a festival on pints fall below £2!


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    #889
    rubadub
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    Whisko wrote: »
    Not really that cheap though is it?

    Just under a 5er a pint. Same as everywhere else.
    There is no very cheap beer, many pubs have 3.50 or €4 bavaria/tuborg/tennants.

    But you would struggle to find another pub in blackrock with any of the 500ml+ bottles for €4.95.


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    #890
    Whisko
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    rubadub wrote: »
    There is no very cheap beer, many pubs have 3.50 or €4 bavaria/tuborg/tennants.

    But you would struggle to find another pub in blackrock with any of the 500ml+ bottles for €4.95.

    True, but still. There's not really any cheap pubs in Belfast either any more......except for weatherspoons!

    I was just hoping they stuck to the UK pricing.


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    Dravokivich
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    If people think those prices are cheap, hope they never hear of O'Reillys.


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    #892
    Links234
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    €3.75 for a pint of Adnams Ghost Ship is downright incredible, I really want to go for a pint there ;)

    Their food is still muck though :p


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    #893
    drumswan
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    If people think those prices are cheap, hope they never hear of O'Reillys.

    Do O'Reillys sell cask ale and craft beer cheap?


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    #894
    Muahahaha
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    drumswan wrote: »
    Which hotel menu? Can you post a link?

    Last place I can remember sniggering to myself about was here
    http://www.talbotwexford.ie/download/1/Gallery%20Opera%20Buffet%202012_1.pdf

    But now that I've thought about it every O'Briens sandwich shop in the country has a big sign up beside their menu boards proclaiming 'Hand Cut Sandwiches' so hotels aren't the only ones trying to be pretentious


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    #895
    K-9
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    awec wrote: »
    Exactly, there's little difference between one Wetherspoons and the next. There is certainly no historical preservation - their pubs feel like walking in to a cafe.

    I watched a programme about them moving into Ireland recently. They didn't seem to notice any major differences barring lighting, our pubs are much darker apparently.

    They looked at the RoI market about 05 but wisely thought better of it.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #896
    rubadub
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    Whisko wrote: »
    True, but still. There's not really any cheap pubs in Belfast either any more......except for weatherspoons!

    I was just hoping they stuck to the UK pricing.
    I think they did not price low on purpose, they are well aware that people were worried that it would be over-run with pissheads if there was cheap drink. If it was very cheap and this happened then people would be objecting/campaigning for them not to come to their town. The real value seems to be the food & pint combinations.

    Dravokivich wrote: »
    If people think those prices are cheap, hope they never hear of O'Reillys.
    that place is a weird anomaly, sure paulner is cheaper there than in the off licence!


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    #897
    K-9
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    rubadub wrote: »
    I think they did not price low on purpose, they are well aware that people were worried that it would be over-run with pissheads if there was cheap drink. If it was very cheap and this happened then people would be objecting/campaigning for them not to come to their town. The real value seems to be the food & pint combinations.



    that place is a weird anomaly, sure paulner is cheaper there than in the off licence!

    I think they are going for 10/20% cheaper. Enough to satisfy people wanting decent value and not getting ripped off, but as you say, not so cheap to be just a pissheads pub.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #898
    Dravokivich
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    drumswan wrote: »
    Do O'Reillys sell cask ale and craft beer cheap?

    Neither matters. The issue with Wetherspoons has always been put forward they are obscenely cheap to buy alcohol. That price list is nowhere near this idea at all. There's only a handful of drinks at what'd be considered a cheap price.


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    #899
    Geuze
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    Nobody ever said that they are "obscenely cheap".

    Guinness in Enniskillen is 2.65stg, that's about 3.30.

    Guinness in Belfast is 2.99stg, that's about 3.75.

    Both good value, but not "obscenely cheap".


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    #900
    drumswan
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Neither matters. The issue with Wetherspoons has always been put forward they are obscenely cheap to buy alcohol. That price list is nowhere near this idea at all. There's only a handful of drinks at what'd be considered a cheap price.

    Of course it matters, people are looking for a decent product at a reasonable price, I wouldn't drink in o'Reillys if they halved their prices again Because they don't sell what I want


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    #901
    Seaneh
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Nobody ever said that they are "obscenely cheap".

    Guinness in Enniskillen is 2.65stg, that's about 3.30.

    Guinness in Belfast is 2.99stg, that's about 3.75.

    Both good value, but not "obscenely cheap".

    Yup.


    Where 'spoons is very cheap is when you are eating and getting a drink with it, especially on their "club nights".


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