DDI

Hijpo

Direct democracy ireland is having a meeting in the Ramada hotel on the 12th Feb at 8pm until 10pm. Instead of bashing our keyboards giving out about stroke politics and government salaries, pensions and quangos we shoukd go and listen to how we can have a meaningful vote on what happens in our country. This is how we make change, not some representative with vested interests.

Ramada Hotel, 12th Feb 8pm, i hope we get a decent amount of people.

Sorry if its against forum charter, but it really shouldnt be.

Sully

Moving to Events Guide

(I kid, I kid!)

Hijpo

Sully wrote: »

Moving to Events Guide

(I kid, I kid!)

Hahah :-D

You know i was going to put it in there until i saw a post stating "this thread is way to dead" so figured theres no way its going to be seen in thers.

Am Chile

Hijpo wrote: »

Direct democracy ireland is having a meeting in the Ramada hotel on the 12th Feb at 8pm until 10pm. Instead of bashing our keyboards giving out about stroke politics and government salaries, pensions and quangos we shoukd go and listen to how we can have a meaningful vote on what happens in our country. This is how we make change, not some representative with vested interests.

Ramada Hotel, 12th Feb 8pm, i hope we get a decent amount of people.

Sorry if its against forum charter, but it really shouldnt be.

While I would strongly a support swiss style direct democracy political system, from look at the website of DDI although they have a FAQ section, they have no list of party policies or party political positions on their website, at the moment they come across to me as a single issue party.

fricatus

Am Chile wrote: »

While I would strongly a support swiss style direct democracy political system, from look at the website of DDI although they have a FAQ section, they have no list of party policies or party political positions on their website, at the moment they come across to me as a single issue party.

I think that's the whole idea. IIRC, they want this system brought in, and once that aim is achieved, they're happy to go their own way, because there would then be a method for enough concerned citizens to petition the government on whatever they like.

Swinng

I do like what they are proposing but at the moment it is a party with no substance

I would like to know if they were in government what else would they do for Health, Education, International affairs, Local government, etc

I have checked the web site and there is no details

Hijpo

Swinng wrote: »

I do like what they are proposing but at the moment it is a party with no substance

I would like to know if they were in government what else would they do for Health, Education, International affairs, Local government, etc

I have checked the web site and there is no details

all the more reason to go to the information meeting, get the answers to your questions first hand.

Finnbar01

Hijpo wrote: »

Direct democracy ireland is having a meeting in the Ramada hotel on the 12th Feb at 8pm until 10pm. Instead of bashing our keyboards giving out about stroke politics and government salaries, pensions and quangos we shoukd go and listen to how we can have a meaningful vote on what happens in our country. This is how we make change, not some representative with vested interests.

Ramada Hotel, 12th Feb 8pm, i hope we get a decent amount of people.

Sorry if its against forum charter, but it really shouldnt be.

I'm very interested in this but I will not be able to make it.

Is there any chance of videoing this and putting it up on youtube?

Hijpo

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I'm very interested in this but I will not be able to make it.

Is there any chance of videoing this and putting it up on youtube?

I was actually thinking of that exact same thing, they announced a meeting in Leixlip and obviously wasnt going to make that so i was going to enquire about at least getting minutes taken at it, but a video of the waterford meet would be alot more efficient, ill suss it out.

Will you be going sully, out of interest alone?

Sully

Hijpo wrote: »

I was actually thinking of that exact same thing, they announced a meeting in Leixlip and obviously wasnt going to make that so i was going to enquire about at least getting minutes taken at it, but a video of the waterford meet would be alot more efficient, ill suss it out.

Will you be going sully, out of interest alone?

Due to another engagement with the sun in a hot country, i'm afraid ill have to send my apologies.

Hijpo

bring us back a rock?

The Reamer

Swinng wrote: »

I do like what they are proposing but at the moment it is a party with no substance

I would like to know if they were in government what else would they do for Health, Education, International affairs, Local government, etc

I have checked the web site and there is no details

Whatever they come out with it a moot point anyway because they will never be in government.
They are the same as the socialist party et al - all fancy ideas about how great things will be run but it does'nt make a sh!t of difference cos they will never have to implement their policies as no-one will vote for them.

I wouldn't waste me time on it.

Hijpo

The Reamer wrote: »

Whatever they come out with it a moot point anyway because they will never be in government.
They are the same as the socialist party et al - all fancy ideas about how great things will be run but it does'nt make a sh!t of difference cos they will never have to implement their policies as no-one will vote for them.

I wouldn't waste me time on it.

Another "sure what can we do" attitude.
I take it you dont vote either?

The Reamer

I do vote. I vote for pragmatic politicians not idealistic dreamers.

Last time I gave my No. 1 to an independent who had a proven track record for getting things done in the constituency. No. 2 went to FG.

Hijpo

The Reamer wrote: »

I do vote. I vote for pragmatic politicians not idealistic dreamers.

Last time I gave my No. 1 to an independent who had a proven track record for getting things done in the constituency. No. 2 went to FG.

Go you!!

Voting for someone who has as much chance as you think DDI has then.
:pac:


Every party started somewhere, this is an information meeting about how DDI works and what they aim to achieve not a meeting on a sure fire way to take over the world. Its attitudes like "no it will never work" and writing things off straight away before listening and learning about it that has the country 20 years behind most of europe.

darkhorse

Am Chile wrote: »

they have no list of party policies or party political positions on their website, at the moment they come across to me as a single issue party.

But just look whats in at the present. They listed their policies pre-election. Which ones did they not lie about.

Hijpo

darkhorse wrote: »

But just look whats in at the present. They listed their policies pre-election. Which ones did they not lie about.

Id rather a party with no policies (yet) and tries to give more democratic power to the people than a party with a manifesto that can promise the sun moon and stars but deliver austerity, big pensions for themselfs and be powerless to cut current fat cat expenses.

That in itself would be reason enough to vote for direct democracy

darkhorse

The Reamer wrote: »

They will never have to implement their policies as no-one will vote for them.

I will, so will my family and extended family, so thats 30+ votes for a start.

darkhorse

Hijpo wrote: »

Id rather a party with no policies (yet) and tries to give more democratic power to the people than a party with a manifesto that can promise the sun moon and stars but deliver austerity, big pensions for themselfs and be powerless to cut current fat cat expenses.

That in itself would be reason enough to vote for direct democracy

I agree 100%, hombre.;)

7upfree

The Reamer wrote: »

I do vote. I vote for pragmatic politicians not idealistic dreamers.

Last time I gave my No. 1 to an independent who had a proven track record for getting things done in the constituency. No. 2 went to FG.

What, exactly, did this independent "get done" do you mind me asking?

7upfree

Hijpo wrote: »

Go you!!

Voting for someone who has as much chance as you think DDI has then.
:pac:


Every party started somewhere, this is an information meeting about how DDI works and what they aim to achieve not a meeting on a sure fire way to take over the world. Its attitudes like "no it will never work" and writing things off straight away before listening and learning about it that has the country 20 years behind most of europe.

That's about it. All great things start with a flicker of an idea.

Finnbar01

Direct democracy is a brillant idea. I definately would vote for any party promoting it.

Hijpo

A great meeting.

All seats were taken, people lined the back of the room and people even stood outside to listen. A great turn out.

Looking forward to the next one.

Now if only the national media would support DDI in its exposure to the people we could very well have our true democratic rights back.

Brick Session

Will these boys be setting up camp by the Clock tower by any chance?

Hijpo

I would supply them with a marquee if they wanted to.

darkhorse

Hijpo wrote: »

I would supply them with a marquee if they wanted to.

I can't help wondering if the majority of people are just happy with the status quo of what we have governing us for the past number of years, because this new party, People For Economic Justice, for all intents and purposes, would dearly love to see Direct Democracy returned to the people of Ireland(DDI), and what is so wrong with that. Why is hardly anybody on social networking forums not giving these people more coverage.

Up2NoGood

Is there a date and venue set for the next meting or a FB page ? Please keep us informed.

Hijpo

darkhorse wrote: »

I can't help wondering if the majority of people are just happy with the status quo of what we have governing us for the past number of years, because this new party, People For Economic Justice, for all intents and purposes, would dearly love to see Direct Democracy returned to the people of Ireland(DDI), and what is so wrong with that. Why is hardly anybody on social networking forums not giving these people more coverage.

They couldnt possibly be happy, democracy in ireland has gone from voting for change to simply voting the other bad bunch out but not replacing them with anythign better. This is false democracy as you are voting for the same lies, corruption and scandal. It has been indicated that the media possibly dont want to promote DDI. A few links to these claims stand out like when party leader Ben Gilroy stood outside the Dáil waiting to confront TD's over there late night scandal while everyone else was asleep, the TV cameras and photographers went around to the other side of the building so he wouldnt be seen. That on the back of Enda Kenny having a right oul craic with Denis o Brien in the NYSE, what does Denis O'Brien do again?

Make of it what you will, many will rubbish it however this is FF we are talking about and there reputation warrants me to believe that they have there fingers in the media pie.

Word of mouth and as many people liking there facebook page as possible will have to do for now because they will not get the help from national media, simple as.


Next DDI Waterford meeting organised for this Thursday 21st at 8pm in the Ramada Hotel Waterford.

Waterford Branch FB Page

DDI Main FB Page


DDI Webpage Which gives more information of what this party is trying to achieve and why.

Sully

DDI wont ever happen in Ireland, not in my lifetime anyway. It will be generations before it will be even considered, if at all.

The problem is not with the system we have in place - its with our electorate. Our electorate rarely punishes parties for lies, greed, corruption and so on. Right now the country is willing to vote back in the party which brought the country to its knees and then pushed it over the edge resulting in the next party implementing tough cuts to "balance" the books and get the country back working again. The pain isn't welcome and as tradition goes - hire FG/Lab to fix it and bring back Fianna Fail to get the good times, the generous spending, and get back down the garden path of the Celtic Tiger leading to another generation of suffering.

That's not a problem with democracy or the system we have in place - its a problem down to the electorate. The same electorate who buy into the bull**** spread by left wing parties during EU Referendums and other nut job groups that pop in from over waters knowing how easy it is to influence the vote. Its the same electorate who didn't take the childrens rights referendums seriously (with one person on Boards saying he wasn't voting because he has no interest in children!).

Its history repeating itself and I am sad to be part of it tbh. I expected different from FG/Lab, and I hoped for different from the electorate. Perhaps if FG/Lab broke from tradition themselves in their policy implementations, than we wouldn't have a possibility of a Fianna Fail government after the next election. With a possible Sinn Fein coalition - god help us!

Hijpo

Sully wrote: »

The problem is not with the system we have in place - its with our electorate. Our electorate rarely punishes parties for lies, greed, corruption and so on.

Its history repeating itself and I am sad to be part of it tbh. I expected different from FG/Lab, and I hoped for different from the electorate. Perhaps if FG/Lab broke from tradition themselves in their policy implementations, than we wouldn't have a possibility of a Fianna Fail government after the next election. With a possible Sinn Fein coalition - god help us!

So we have FF, FG, Lab and SF. Four parties to pick from, two being corrupt up to there eye balls, one being too spineless to stand up to the others and then Sinn Fein who everyone sees as terrorists.

4 dodgy parties and the problem is cast back to the electorate?

What powers does the electorate have to punish a party that lies to get into power? What powers does the electorate have to stand up against a bill they dont agree with, thats rushed through under cover of darkness?

Vote against them in the next election seems to be the ONLY way to "punish" these liars and scammers.

Its a joke sully, i dont understand how people are content with the bones they are being thrown while the hypocrits feast at the main table.

What power does the electorate have to make change and ensure that the change is made?


ps- hope you enjoyed your holiday

Sully

Hijpo wrote: »

So we have FF, FG, Lab and SF. Four parties to pick from, two being corrupt up to there eye balls, one being too spineless to stand up to the others and then Sinn Fein who everyone sees as terrorists.

4 dodgy parties and the problem is cast back to the electorate?

What powers does the electorate have to punish a party that lies to get into power? What powers does the electorate have to stand up against a bill they dont agree with, thats rushed through under cover of darkness?

Vote against them in the next election seems to be the ONLY way to "punish" these liars and scammers.

Its a joke sully, i dont understand how people are content with the bones they are being thrown while the hypocrits feast at the main table.

What power does the electorate have to make change and ensure that the change is made?

Its not like any of these parties are stopping another party from forming. Again, it boils down to the electorate. We also had the PDs and the Greens.

Fianna Fail did a lot of good, so they are not completely bad eggs. I wouldn't suggest Fine Gael as being corrupt and they have fixed our economy in the past and are doing so currently. We vote on party policies and the large majority of them are implemented as indicated.

Sinn Feins terrorism connections haven't gone away and they are sticking with their own batch of bad eggs. They don't seem to want to shake that image. Their polices are woeful and not even costed by the Department. Their solution is "Take from the pension fund and implement a wealth tax" which clearly doesn't work. They are against austerity, property tax and water tax - but a few miles up North the party implements austerity much harsher than down here.

As for what powers - democracy. You don't vote them in again when the election is back. People power does work - but Irish people never bother doing anything even during an election. The few times Irish people have mass protested its actually worked. There are always mini groups that protest and wonder "Why are we not heard?" but they don't have the majority support.