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Voters can only choose from the parties that are there, when there are only bad parties to choose from we have to vote for someone dont we?Its not like any of these parties are stopping another party from forming. Again, it boils down to the electorate. We also had the PDs and the Greens.Fianna Fail did a lot of good, so they are not completely bad eggs. I wouldn't suggest Fine Gael as being corrupt and they have fixed our economy in the past and are doing so currently. We vote on party policies and the large majority of them are implemented as indicated.
Sinn Feins terrorism connections haven't gone away and they are sticking with their own batch of bad eggs. They don't seem to want to shake that image. Their polices are woeful and not even costed by the Department. Their solution is "Take from the pension fund and implement a wealth tax" which clearly doesn't work. They are against austerity, property tax and water tax - but a few miles up North the party implements austerity much harsher than down here.
Its like walking into a shop with only 3 products on the shelf, mouldy bread, sour milk and and opened tin of beans. You'll pick the mouldy bread coz somewhere in the middle there might be an edible slice.As for what powers - democracy. You don't vote them in again when the election is back. People power does work - but Irish people never bother doing anything even during an election. The few times Irish people have mass protested its actually worked. There are always mini groups that protest and wonder "Why are we not heard?" but they don't have the majority support.
Not voting them in again is too little too late, by then they are half way through slashing and burning households finances, raising tax (in a round about way) and planning to implement even more debits from spendable income. Come march they will all be garaunteed nice big pensions, wheres the public pension fund gone? all with the citizens powerless to do anything about it except vote in more liars who will stay another minimum of two years until they are pensioned up again. Protests do nothing to hurt government, people protested in the south dublin counil and the gaurds assaulted them. Deterents, thats what our government believes in.
No choice, no power, no democracy. Its even worse in the dáil with that whip system. whats the point of having 165 TD's when only 30 odd percent have the balls to vote against?
It was.Was that Ben Gilroy giving a presentation at the Ramada hotel?
Id like to get away from talking about other parties, i have my views on them.
This thread is about the DDI meeting
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At the end of the day people give out about how the country is run, the political perks, the never ending doom and gloom, the wasted millions, the opposition who slam the other parties only to get in the driving seat and drive the car the exact same way and in the same breath say "Sure what can we do?", "We have no one else to vote for", "they are all the same".
I think the people are fed up, i think the people are crying out for change, i think the people would make changes IF they had the power to do so, but they dont. Your vote counts for nothing and the one time you do vote, you vote wrong, your made vote again.
Democracy, yeah.....
Indeed they do, but they have a choice to vote a different party - they don't. They have a chance to demand change - they don't. They have a chance to go onto the streets and peacefully protest - they don't (or they rarely do, or scumbags take over etc).
Direct Democracy wont be the answer. People don't engage or understand politics enough in Ireland. Referendums show how peoples voice can be so easily lead astray.
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Indeed they do, but they have a choice to vote a different party - they don't. They have a chance to demand change - they don't. They have a chance to go onto the streets and peacefully protest - they don't (or they rarely do, or scumbags take over etc).
Direct Democracy wont be the answer. People don't engage or understand politics enough in Ireland. Referendums show how peoples voice can be so easily lead astray.
Different car, same driving style evidence of this is noonan slamming the promissory notes saying they were robbing the poor to bail out the rich, he even went as far as saying it was, and i quote, an obscenity. What happen when he took over the driving seat?
We can demand all we like, we have no power to enforce change. This is the way politicians see it, say FG get voted out, they know in four years time when FF **** it up they will be put back in.
Protesting will also get you know where in this day and age, unless it hits the politicians pockets they couldnt give a ****. joan burton walked past a protest in the tower with a smile on her face, hogan stayed at home when he knew there was a protest at a water treatment plant.
Our opinions carry no weight and our votes carry even less.
If we had the power to recall any TD's that we feel are not performing or break promises then you would see change, but conveniently enough the citizens dont have that power.
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Absolutely, article about it here
how insensitive can one man be eh?
Although that was 2002, hes probably changed :rolleyes:
Just like his morals on taxing a families home :pac: :pac: :pac:0 -
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If people had more power to punish the politicians you wouldnt hear them making racist jokes (enda kenny) you wouldnt see them drunk on tv (cowan) you wouldnt witness them being condescending to a mother and her children (hogan) you wouldnt see corruption of them bumping clinics up a list with no explanation only to find out that it was benefiting one of there buddies (o rielly)
Jesus, you really take seriously enough to bring it to such a daft level. People had the power not to vote for any of the above named individuals - they did. People had the power not to vote for any of the above named individuals parties - they did.
People have the people. Fact. Get over it and just admit that the system is there and the people don't give two hoots. I'm amazed that you think these politicians are not answerable to anybody and can do what they like - you appear to have this mental block that we don't vote for a government every five or so years (and in cases where people and political pressure is applied, earlier).What can the people do? They obviously have the impression that nothing has an effect otherwise they would be doing something. In this day and age people shouldnt have to traipse up and down the quay to save a feckin hospital, likewise OAP alarms. This system gives the people more enforcment over the decisions that put them in difficulty. If you are so sure that half the country wouldnt have TD's if we could recall them then it shows how awful they are and how little power we have seen as they are all still in operation.
*facepalm* You have just proved my point - people are either to thick, lazy or couldn't be bothered when it comes to using their democratic right to make a vote. Anybody with a decent knowledge of politics knows the system is so daft that TDs are powerless as are Senators. Its not that they haven't the balls or couldn't be bothered - they don't actually have the power. Recall them, threaten to recall them - it won't make a difference unless the system changes.I think your of the opinion that if Direct democracy was implemented people would vote for abolishing all taxes and legalise heroin or something.
LOL.What!!! Enda Kenny racist. No way. I would not believe that for one minute.
Wasn't really considered a racist remark at the time, it was a storm in a tea cup and once it was noted possible offense was caused - an apology was issued and the world moved on. He has been one of very few well respected Taoiseach internationally.Absolutely, article about it here
how insensitive can one man be eh?
Although that was 2002, hes probably changed :rolleyes:
Just like his morals on taxing a families home :pac: :pac: :pac:
Meanwhile, the opposition has a number of former terrorists and bomb makers in power and the OP doesn't see a problem.0 -
Absolutely, article about it here
how insensitive can one man be eh?
Although that was 2002, hes probably changed :rolleyes:
Just like his morals on taxing a families home :pac: :pac: :pac:
I apologize for doubting you.0 -
Jesus, you really take seriously enough to bring it to such a daft level. People had the power not to vote for any of the above named individuals - they did. People had the power not to vote for any of the above named individuals parties - they did.
People have the people. Fact. Get over it and just admit that the system is there and the people don't give two hoots. I'm amazed that you think these politicians are not answerable to anybody and can do what they like - you appear to have this mental block that we don't vote for a government every five or so years (and in cases where people and political pressure is applied, earlier).
The people didnt want FF in charge anymore, so they voted them out, the only ones we could vote for was the other two troops of monkeys. You think people wanted FG and Lab in charge? not at all, they just wanted FF out. The government is not answerable to anyone, who did bertie answer to? is he still getting the handy pension? what about cowen? are you going to tell me those farcical tribunals are all we have?
keep face palming, you might knock some sense into yourself. If the TD's are powerless why is there 165 of them? Why doesnt the government cut the numbers and senators? because they are not going to screw themselfs, thats why. Enlighten me on how a citizen can use there democratic right to vote when the government decides what it is they vote on.*facepalm* You have just proved my point - people are either to thick, lazy or couldn't be bothered when it comes to using their democratic right to make a vote. Anybody with a decent knowledge of politics knows the system is so daft that TDs are powerless as are Senators. Its not that they haven't the balls or couldn't be bothered - they don't actually have the power. Recall them, threaten to recall them - it won't make a difference unless the system changes.
i laughed when i was thinking of it toLOL.
If he had any kind of compassion he would not have made such a distasteful remark at ANY stage of his career. Anyone who extorts billions of euro and gives to the few would be respected by the few. You can be sure hes not well respected by the people hes taking the money from, unless your going to selectively ask a generation that has always voted FG and of course the people that have been raised by the generation that has always voted FG.Wasn't really considered a racist remark at the time, it was a storm in a tea cup and once it was noted possible offense was caused - an apology was issued and the world moved on. He has been one of very few well respected Taoiseach internationally.
Aaaannnndddnd i said i had no problem with terrorists where?Meanwhile, the opposition has a number of former terrorists and bomb makers in power and the OP doesn't see a problem.0 -
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Perhaps it is before your time Sully, but you really shouldn't make such comments with former members of what was Official Sinn Fein as cabinet members. It had its own paramilitary wing, the Official IRA. But then that was probably before your time.Meanwhile, the opposition has a number of former terrorists and bomb makers in power and the OP doesn't see a problem.
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Perhaps it is before your time Sully, but you really shouldn't make such comments with former members of what was Official Sinn Fein as cabinet members. It had its own paramilitary wing, the Official IRA. But then that was probably before your time.
Regards...jmcc
Indeed it was, forgive me I didn't realise age restricted what one could comment on. Indeed I am also fully aware of Eamon Gilmore and others republican past but I don't personal believe it compares with some of Sinn Fein TDs.0 -
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