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Thanks for the words of encouragement 7up. When I saw your name appear in thread, I was sure I wasn't going to be reading a post from you that would be well throughout out and show a clear level of knowledge of the subject. An all around constructive post, ya know? I wasn't mistaken
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Christ. How do you guys expect to be taken seriously when you are running a candidate for the Dail who has a completely different interpretation on the law under the Freeman Guide and when you don't believe in having policies because the government have their own approach?
I actually yawned when i read the first paragraph
same nonsence argument thats been spouted by supporters of other parties over and over, its been defended, people have moved on, after a few posts they think its been forgotten that it was coverd and they bring it up again.
Anything origional in there lads no?The whole idea of having a political party is to say to the people;
"Hey! See that idea that those eejits are implementing? Vote for us and we would do it different."
Instead your saying;
"Hey! See that idea that those eejits are implementing? Vote for us and while we have no idea what we will do in power, at least your not voting for those eejits. Right?!"
DDI spun themselves here as a completely different type of political system. Yet, you want to be elected into a current political system and operate under a system you disagree with. That in itself is bizarre. Your actually offering nothing because you don't have political policies, which is even more bizarre, and then you go and have candidates who have a completely different stranger interpretation of the law which can get people in trouble and not an "Ah, victory!" approach because your wrong.
Christ, as even we don't have enough loonies in our political system at the moment.
DDI ARE doing it different, the whole point of Direct Democracy is that it is a different political system where people are free to have there own views and act accordingly. How do you suppose this is not different than the party whip system in place now?
Where have you seen DDI's strange interpretation of the law? link please
The policies that DDI stand by are core policies, anything after that requires substancial debating, something that a 4 month old party is only in the process of doing.
So thats Ben Gilroy coverd and defended, DDI's apparent lack of policies coverd and defended, DDI's apparent support for gung ho freeman laws coverd and defended.
Time for something new now lads.
i include this link for your benefit
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Ill correct myself, support was too general a word, involved maybe better.So what if people pointing out the obvious support other parties? The vast majority of this country support other parties bar DDI. That doesn't mean that a new political party has potential to do well in this country and attract voters from other parties. Are you alienating people because they supported other parties? You need those votes, you do realise?The defense being put forward by DDI supporters is that they don't need policies because they wont be in a position to implement any - that makes no sense. They also state their candidates can do what they like, spout freeman nonsense and portray an incorrect interpretation of the law because they are doing it in their personal capacity.
Who said we dont need policies? I just said policies take time to construct, given its such a short space of time since they became a party im sure they prioritized policy according to A) what can get the country back to a stable opperating position financially
allows the people to have more say on issues that effect themWhat an odd party. That's exactly what you are when you look for votes. "Vote for me. We don't believe in this system, but heck, vote for me anyway!"
I thought DDI was supposed to be a campaigning group. Not a group of people looking to jump on the Dail gravy train claiming the fancy wages and expenses, sitting pretty in the back benches offering nothing constructive and not dealing with reality and facts. You can't even attack government policy because you can't offer an alternative. Your hardly going to sit in the Dail and shout "This system sucks. I demand Direct Democracy. That is all."
What DDI is saying is, we dont beleive in this system, it doesnt work democratically for the benefit of the people, its closer to fascism than it is democratic. Do you disagree with these observations? Do you think the current system works well?
Do you ever give out about the false manifestos the current parties dream up to win over votes?
Child benefit will not be touched ring any bells? How about "not another red cent"?
How much government policy is actually implemented and is working well?
Its easy dish out policies to get you votes as we have seen, however direct democracy forces truthful policies to be drawn up and adhered to.
If there is a gravy train in the Dáil then DDI give you the opportunity to call a referendum to adjust the pay schemes and perks.
You seem to be either very reluctant or genuinly cant grap the fact that all you see wrong with DDI, DDI actually gives you the power to fix it.0 -
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Ill correct myself, support was too general a word, involved maybe better.
Freudian slip?
Who said we dont need policies? I just said policies take time to construct, given its such a short space of time since they became a party im sure they prioritized policy according to A) what can get the country back to a stable opperating position financially allows the people to have more say on issues that effect them
It doesn't reflect well if you wont take time to construct basic policies and solutions, rather than jumping into the position with nothing to offer.What DDI is saying is, we dont beleive in this system, it doesnt work democratically for the benefit of the people, its closer to fascism than it is democratic. Do you disagree with these observations? Do you think the current system works well?
The system we have for democracy is fine. When people were asked to directly influence policy by way of a vote, they used it as a political football or didn't bother voting at all. In general, most people don't bother voting.Do you ever give out about the false manifestos the current parties dream up to win over votes?
Child benefit will not be touched ring any bells? How about "not another red cent"?
Yup, I do.How much government policy is actually implemented and is working well?
Its easy dish out policies to get you votes as we have seen, however direct democracy forces truthful policies to be drawn up and adhered to.
I don't think current government policy was being dished out to get votes. if that was their intention, they are doing it very baldy.
As for what policies are working - if their economic policies were failing we would have a much bigger unemployment rate for a start, increasing rapidly. We wouldn't have thousands of jobs being created a year by businesses, especially the bigger businesses like Google and Paypal. If their policies were so bad, we wouldn't be set for an exit of our bailout programme. Our return to the markets would be laughed at.
Most people are just pissed off that the wave of "honesty, transparency, political reform and a new way of doing politics" bull**** that was spread pre-election wasn't carried fully.If there is a gravy train in the Dáil then DDI give you the opportunity to call a referendum to adjust the pay schemes and perks.
I'm aware of what DDI has the potential of doing. But the system of people directly influencing the vote has been hijacked by people outside of Ireland trying to influence the vote. Political parties here and abroad spreading mistruths and lies about what was being asked and the impact of a Yes vote. People bought it. A lot of people also didn't bother voting in referendums or elections. A lot of people use referendums to express frustration with the government.
The DDI model would be a disaster. Those calling for DDI are the type of people who would hijack and demand referendums, spreading mistruths and bull****. Freemason nonsense.You seem to be either very reluctant or genuinly cant grap the fact that all you see wrong with DDI, DDI actually gives you the power to fix it.
I see what's wrong with DDI and the group running the DDI campaign/political party. I understand the potential positives which on paper are fantastic but in reality are a disaster.We are the loonies for taking every bit of crap that we are being fed by this government.
So you are calling what, half the electorate or so, loonies? Great way to win votes. First, if you support other political parties your given the two fingers. Then, it appears you are loony for supporting them and reminded of the two fingers. Finally, DDI want to be elected to a system they want to change and offer nothing. Just get the wages and expenses.
What a disaster. If your our only hope for political change, god help us.A question for ya. You are in a big electrical or furniture shop. There's a guy at the counter who just bought a couple of thousand euros worth of goods. He says to the shop assistant, This gentleman(you) will pay my bill, and walks out of the shop. Are you going to pay it? That's the position the government put us in.
That's not the same position the Irish people are in, so its a bad comparison.0 -
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It doesn't reflect well if you wont take time to construct basic policies and solutions, rather than jumping into the position with nothing to offer.
You are of the opinion that the policies that face us are basic? Why is it only recently that the childrens referendum was held? Abortion is still on going after all these years etc etc The only thing that seems basic policy is extorting money from people already taxed to the brink.
Its already been done to death why people vote the way they do and why people dont vote at all. People vote for names they know, generation after generation vote for the same names over and over, some even ask there neighbour "who you votin for, i havent a clue", the people who dont vote dont see the point as there vote is for the same old empty promisses as before. DDI does away with those opinions because 1) they get an opportunity to display there views through there vote and 2) if TD's dont stick to the promises they used to get into office they can be recalled leading to TD's setting realistic policies as opposed to can only be described as selling points. You know all this already sully.The system we have for democracy is fine. When people were asked to directly influence policy by way of a vote, they used it as a political football or didn't bother voting at all. In general, most people don't bother voting.
Where are the majority of jobs being created sully? There are more counties in ireland than Dublin, Cork and kilkenny. What about unemployment rates in your own home county? taxing your way out of recession does not work, it might clear a debt but what about your ecenomy?I don't think current government policy was being dished out to get votes. if that was their intention, they are doing it very baldy.
As for what policies are working - if their economic policies were failing we would have a much bigger unemployment rate for a start, increasing rapidly. We wouldn't have thousands of jobs being created a year by businesses, especially the bigger businesses like Google and Paypal. If their policies were so bad, we wouldn't be set for an exit of our bailout programme. Our return to the markets would be laughed at.Most people are just pissed off that the wave of "honesty, transparency, political reform and a new way of doing politics" bull**** that was spread pre-election wasn't carried fully.
yeah and so they should be, where is the honesty? where is the transparency? where is the reform?
So who will they express frustration with when voting on issues that effect themselves? they will vote in frustration with themselves sully will they?I'm aware of what DDI has the potential of doing. But the system of people directly influencing the vote has been hijacked by people outside of Ireland trying to influence the vote. Political parties here and abroad spreading mistruths and lies about what was being asked and the impact of a Yes vote. People bought it. A lot of people also didn't bother voting in referendums or elections. A lot of people use referendums to express frustration with the government.The DDI model would be a disaster. Those calling for DDI are the type of people who would hijack and demand referendums, spreading mistruths and bull****. Freemason nonsense.
lmao 112500 people with the same vested interest to call a referendum? and then a further few million to pass it? not to mention the prevision that a certain number must vote for the motion to be passed.
"Disaster" i remember Noonan standing in the Dáil and using that word along with "obscenity" to discribe Lennihans agreements to bail out the banksI see what's wrong with DDI and the group running the DDI campaign/political party. I understand the potential positives which on paper are fantastic but in reality are a disaster.
You can see all thats wrong with DDI, but you cant see the ever increasing wrongs being commited by the current government and system. Sully, and to think i had you pegged as a man of intellect :PSo you are calling what, half the electorate or so, loonies? Great way to win votes. First, if you support other political parties your given the two fingers. Then, it appears you are loony for supporting them and reminded of the two fingers. Finally, DDI want to be elected to a system they want to change and offer nothing. Just get the wages and expenses.
What a disaster. If your our only hope for political change, god help us.
Theres so many twists and knots to darkhorses words its like a shoe lace a 2 year old had a go at tying.That's not the same position the Irish people are in, so its a bad comparison.
the principle is much the same, you and I are paying for someone elses private debt.0 -
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You are of the opinion that the policies that face us are basic? Why is it only recently that the childrens referendum was held? Abortion is still on going after all these years etc etc The only thing that seems basic policy is extorting money from people already taxed to the brink.
I'm talking about basic policies in terms of "standard" and not in terms of the easier solutions. The most common issues facing us today. DDI candidates offer nothing. The Childrens Referendum was held as part of a commitment by this government to hold it as soon as possible and it did so. I have no idea why other governments avoided it. But, it was an example of 'direct democracy' and what, half the people didn't bother voting on such an important personal issue? The abortion issue is a hot potato that this government is taking on and you have big divide and a lot of anger about how to approach it, which I suspect is why successive governments dodged it.
Neither of the above being delayed had anything to do with screwing the people financially.Its already been done to death why people vote the way they do and why people dont vote at all. People vote for names they know, generation after generation vote for the same names over and over, some even ask there neighbour "who you votin for, i havent a clue", the people who dont vote dont see the point as there vote is for the same old empty promisses as before. DDI does away with those opinions because 1) they get an opportunity to display there views through there vote and 2) if TD's dont stick to the promises they used to get into office they can be recalled leading to TD's setting realistic policies as opposed to can only be described as selling points. You know all this already sully.
I'm talking about referendums where Jonny Fox in Mallow has nothing to do with it. I know how general elections tend to go and I know that many of the younger generation don't give a toss.Where are the majority of jobs being created sully? There are more counties in ireland than Dublin, Cork and kilkenny. What about unemployment rates in your own home county? taxing your way out of recession does not work, it might clear a debt but what about your ecenomy?
Indeed there are more counties, but its not up to the government to force companies to locate in Waterford, Wexford, Limerick and so on. The government have, however, turned their attention to the unemployment black spots and done their best to try get jobs for these areas and inject investment in (which they have in Waterford).yeah and so they should be, where is the honesty? where is the transparency? where is the reform?
You missed my point.So who will they express frustration with when voting on issues that effect themselves? they will vote in frustration with themselves sully will they?
Your asking as if its a question that there is no answer out there for. But we already have many examples of issues that impact the electorate and they didn't vote or take it seriously.lmao 112500 people with the same vested interest to call a referendum? and then a further few million to pass it? not to mention the prevision that a certain number must vote for the motion to be passed.
Didn't know DDI had that large a following, congratulations! The election should be a walk in the park for you guys in the referendum so I congratulate you in advance and look forward to your contributions, whatever your planning on contributing, in the Dail."Disaster" i remember Noonan standing in the Dáil and using that word along with "obscenity" to discribe Lennihans agreements to bail out the banks]
The same Minister now ending the guarantee.You can see all thats wrong with DDI, but you cant see the ever increasing wrongs being commited by the current government and system. Sully, and to think i had you pegged as a man of intellect :P
I actually did, but you seemed to have missed the point I made and went off on a different tangent. I guess you should be looking at your own intellect.
[qupte]Theres so many twists and knots to darkhorses words its like a shoe lace a 2 year old had a go at tying.[/quote]
Interesting defense.the principle is much the same, you and I are paying for someone elses private debt.
Completely different situation. We are not a consumer of Ireland Inc.0 -
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