VF5FS - Anyone for games?

Chris IWS

Junsuina Chikara wrote: »

Anyone for games tonight, bar the salty Kuro-Tao?

I might try to get on tonight, though I haven't played VF in an age. Won't get back from work until about 1:30-2 a.m., if you're up that late.

Junsuina Chikara

Cool Chris . Yeah, I usually play around that time myself so it's perfectly fine. When I see you go online, I'll send you an invite for room match.

Kuro Tao

Junsuina Chikara wrote: »

Anyone for games tonight, bar the salty Kuro-Tao?

I only get salty when I lose to lag or frauds.
In your case, both.

D4RK ONION

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Bento Sento

D4RK ONION wrote: »

Fight! Fight! Fight!

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Chris IWS

Kuro Tao wrote: »

I only get salty when I lose to lag or frauds.
In your case, both.

I don't understand why people get upset about online games. If it was laggy, why are you getting pissed off at the player? Gotta rep the e-peen.

Junsuina Chikara

Kuro Tao wrote: »

I only get salty when I lose to lag or frauds.
In your case, both.

Come up with whatever excuse you like. I've played and beaten some of VFDC's (virtuafighter.com) finest so STFU before calling me a fraud. I don't think I'm the best at VF but I certainly know that I'm no fraud. Besides, do you even know what a "fraud" is? I have 1 PS3 so I don't know how I could "rank myself up" unless I had 2 PS3s. I beat you because you don't know how to play VF, it's simple as that. When you know the VF system and know Akira's weaknesses, come play me, until then, go read up the wiki on VFDC and study the matchup. I'm done with your troll talk so say whatever you like, I'm not wasting any more time with you.

Nutrient

Hm, needs more salt

raze

Chris IWS wrote: »

I don't understand why people get upset about online games. If it was laggy, why are you getting pissed off at the player? Gotta rep the e-peen.

Jun's connection is laggy. It can't be any other way and he's said as much in the past. The problem is always at his end because of where he is and the distance it is away from the exchange.

In online the worst quality connection benefits from the netcode - an arbitrary delay has to be added which can momentarily be effective for up to 7 or 8 frames of disadvantage to the host player. In a partiularly bad game (not against Jun) I once saw a throw beat a punch, it looked bizarre, and should have been impossible. I apologised to the guy after it happened, bad way to lose a round.

In a game like this, you play someone with an awful connection, thanks to the buffer system and the input delay, you can find yourself briefly in a situation where your block doesn't work. Worst of all is what I've seen when I've had advantage, inputted a move, watched as it didn't execute, blocked the start of a string against me, then the move I inputted comes out wildly out of sequence. Fun times being both defenseless and counter-hit.

Worse still even though I've watched that happen because guard clears the buffer it probably can't have happened. Except it did.

Cherry on top is when the guy with the bad connection spouts off holier than thou when people get salty about it, like his connection somehow isn't his responsibility, like it's fun when abare that would fail offline is a bankable strategy.

Truth is no one, not even Jun, can tell how effective Jun is by how he plays online because it's not a consistent experience.

If Kuro is salty all that should mean is that he doesn't play Jun online - and that's his call to make. I won't play the guy for the reasons above, I never play anyone if I know they've a bad connection to me. It's not personal, it's general, and in general I think if someone plays online with a weak connection they have no right to demand any respect because parity clearly isn't a concern for them.

But this isn't a game to get salty about, frustrating as it can be. VF is a joke when it comes down to how active its number of players is. Competitive spirit is one thing, but it wouldn't be an issue if there were enough opponents for them to forget about each other.

Junsuina Chikara

raze wrote: »

Jun's connection is laggy. It can't be any other way and he's said as much in the past. The problem is always at his end because of where he is and the distance it is away from the exchange.

First of all, my connection is FINE against Kuro-Tao. I get at least 2 bars most times I play him so I would not define that as laggy. Most of my matches against Kuro-Tao (including our most recent encounter) were when I'm in Egypt, where I have a proper wired DSL connection that has excellent ping, 2Mbps DL and 512Kbps UL, more than enough to play online. If VF or PSN (which VFDC members will gladly confirm) gets laggy, it's nothing to do with my end.

In online the worst quality connection benefits from the netcode - an arbitrary delay has to be added which can momentarily be effective for up to 7 or 8 frames of disadvantage to the host player. In a partiularly bad game (not against Jun) I once saw a throw beat a punch, it looked bizarre, and should have been impossible. I apologised to the guy after it happened, bad way to lose a round.

My play is simple. If you pay attention to how I play, I can be beaten and when I play against a top VF player, they expose my play and destroy me. I have a certain law in my offense and if that law is exposed, I can be beaten. For example, if I do P then Knee (both are guarded), technically, my knee can be considered a 15f move because the P before it gave me +2 on advantage for the knee so if you go for a mid that is more than 15f, I'll most likely beat it with my knee because of that advantage. When my knee is blocked, I'm at -13f disadvantage. This means that if you can find a move that is 13f or less and I chose to go for, let's say, dashing elbow, I will eat a yellow counter but if you choose to go for a move that's more than 13f, my elbow will connect, it's simple as that. All it takes to interrupt my offense is a standing P or a timed 2P, that's it... With Kuro-Tao, I assume he was going for mids between my moves and Jacky has no 13f mids so it definitely won't interrupt my offense.

Cherry on top is when the guy with the bad connection spouts off holier than thou when people get salty about it, like his connection somehow isn't his responsibility, like it's fun when abare that would fail offline is a bankable strategy.

All I can say is that I back up my statement on VFDC. If Kuro Tao is going to be all disrespectful instead of saying "gg" or whatever, I won't play him. I see games as a form of sport. This isn't exactly the method of good sportsmanship. If he shows disrespect, it's simple, I won't respect him.

Aside from that, I don't think it was a very good idea to bring in the VFDC post because all that does is feed the flames but it doesn't matter, like I said, I have nothing else to say to Kuro-Tao.

If Kuro is salty all that should mean is that he doesn't play Jun online - and that's his call to make. I won't play the guy for the reasons above, I never play anyone if I know they've a bad connection to me. It's not personal, it's general, and in general I think if someone plays online with a weak connection they have no right to demand any respect because parity clearly isn't a concern for them.

If I play someone and I win/lose through a wall of lag, I immediately send a message to the other player apologising for it. My circumstances in Ireland aren't perfect so when people b*tch and moan about me having a laggy connection, I'm sorry that I can't live in the city and get super-fast broadband. My connection is intermittent, sometimes it's pretty good and sometimes it can be bad. If I didn't play online, VF would simply die for me and out of all FGs, VF is the game I enjoy most so pardon me for having a few games. There is no offline Irish VF scene like there is in Norcal or Socal or Tokyo. I think there are only 4-5 people who play VF and that hardly is a tournament worthy number so the next best thing is to just to find online matches, whether the players be in France, Germany, Italy etc. or on the other side of the pond in the US. And the whole coming to Dublin thing, well, I don't exactly have €50 to spend every weekend to go play some casuals/tournaments, it's simply not feasible. I hate the lag but there is nothing else because there is no VF community.

Jun_DP101

Junsuina Chikara wrote: »

I'm done with your troll talk so say whatever you like, I'm not wasting any more time with you.

:you shouldn't have mentioned Kuro in your initial post then.

Kuro Tao

Talk all the **** you want online warrior. You know where to find me if you really want to prove me wrong.

1man3letters

Junsuina Chikara

I shouldn't have to justify myself because Kuro-Tao is the one who has been clearly slagging me off in this thread but I'll just share to you the beginnings of this feud.

After playing a couple of games on PSN, I receive this message with a little "No offence" at the start which is totally invalid considering the context:



Second message after 2 or 3 more games, I receive this, again slagging me off:


Third message, he sent me referencing that stagger combos only work offline but I have played many players online that recover from staggers, causing my standing palm to be guarded:


Fourth message, which was in response to my message where I stated that I know I was good because I compete regularly with top VFDC players regularly:




I ignored the first message because I understand how someone can get salty and write a message in fury but to continuously keep slagging me off, that's when it goes beyond being salty and just labels someone as being a dick.

I'm not saying I'm a victim, I'm also partially at fault for having responded to Kuro-Tao's remarks but if you go back to this post you can see that I was just asking on the thread if anyone would like some games, where Kuro-Tao felt he had to make his statement "Nope, but that money match is still on offer if you feel like you're up to the challenge." so I was never interested in mentioning anything but he brought it up.

I responded just to make a stand for myself by saying "I don't gamble and I'm not in Ireland, I don't fancy paying €50 every time I go down to Dublin but when I'm back, I'll play you offline eventually. My play is legit. Stop being salty, it's really showing now." And after that, he started calling me stuff like you're free, a fraud etc. Kuro-Tao is clearly immature and, as previously mentioned, a dick because when I explain my stance in detail all he can come up with "Talk all the **** you want online warrior, You know where to find me if you really want to prove me wrong."

For this, when I go to Dublin and play VF5FS, I'm only interested in playing against players who are good sportsmen and can have a laugh and some games, not having to deal with someone who get's whingy and huffy after a couple of games. The VFDC community generally is a good, respectful community, where regardless of player standard, scrub-like or pro, there is always respect between players.

Bento Sento

You know I was going to get into VF because I quite like the game but if this is the way the community acts then I don't think I will bother. I will just play KOF instead at least that games community aren't moaning at each other the whole time (Mainly because there isn't a community ).

Doctor DooM

Junsuina Chikara wrote: »

I shouldn't have to justify myself because Kuro-Tao is the one who has been clearly slagging me off in this thread but I'll just share to you the beginnings of this feud.

Actually, you clearly baited him earlier in this thread.

Regardless, he-started-it is 5 year old logic, and I'm going to say both of you cut it out now before I have to ban someone.

Nutrient

Junsuina Chikara wrote: »

I shouldn't have to justify myself because Kuro-Tao is the one who has been clearly slagging me off in this thread but I'll just share to you the beginnings of this feud.

After playing a couple of games on PSN, I receive this message with a little "No offence" at the start which is totally invalid considering the context:



Second message after 2 or 3 more games, I receive this, again slagging me off:


Third message, he sent me referencing that stagger combos only work offline but I have played many players online that recover from staggers, causing my standing palm to be guarded:


Fourth message, which was in response to my message where I stated that I know I was good because I compete regularly with top VFDC players regularly:




I ignored the first message because I understand how someone can get salty and write a message in fury but to continuously keep slagging me off, that's when it goes beyond being salty and just labels someone as being a dick.

I'm not saying I'm a victim, I'm also partially at fault for having responded to Kuro-Tao's remarks but if you go back to this post you can see that I was just asking on the thread if anyone would like some games, where Kuro-Tao felt he had to make his statement "Nope, but that money match is still on offer if you feel like you're up to the challenge." so I was never interested in mentioning anything but he brought it up.

I responded just to make a stand for myself by saying "I don't gamble and I'm not in Ireland, I don't fancy paying €50 every time I go down to Dublin but when I'm back, I'll play you offline eventually. My play is legit. Stop being salty, it's really showing now." And after that, he started calling me stuff like you're free, a fraud etc. Kuro-Tao is clearly immature and, as previously mentioned, a dick because when I explain my stance in detail all he can come up with "Talk all the **** you want online warrior, You know where to find me if you really want to prove me wrong."

For this, when I go to Dublin and play VF5FS, I'm only interested in playing against players who are good sportsmen and can have a laugh and some games, not having to deal with someone who get's whingy and huffy after a couple of games. The VFDC community generally is a good, respectful community, where regardless of player standard, scrub-like or pro, there is always respect between players.

Online play makes us all salty

Make up you 2

bush

Or fist fight

chopperbyrne

All I see is Kuro giving some advice and JC getting butthurt.

Quite telling that none of his replies were posted...

Anyway, we've already got one VF grudge match to settle, you two lovebirds can wait.

Chris IWS

Bento Sento wrote: »

You know I was going to get into VF because I quite like the game but if this is the way the community acts then I don't think I will bother. I will just play KOF instead at least that games community aren't moaning at each other the whole time (Mainly because there isn't a community ).

If you've got a PS3, please play KOF with me. I'm so lonely. Also, I'd be amazed to see a non-red bar game. :rolleyes:

Doctor DooM

No lads, me telling you to stop means STOP.

I don't want either of you posting on this thread for a week at all, and after that not about this topic, or you will be receiving nice long bans for it.

You can't say I've not warned you.