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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Untamedlemon


    thermo wrote: »

    if your planning on deulling and its your first time doing so only fight to first blood, kinda ease yourself into it.

    Some pro tips right here but I think ill stick to my non blood sheding sport of airsoft.......sorry if im offending anyone but I like my limbs as they are!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭Kashkai


    Some pro tips right here but I think ill stick to my non blood sheding sport of airsoft.......sorry if im offending anyone but I like my limbs as they are!!!!!

    If you haven't shed blood yet while skirmishing, you've been very lucky. I've had to endure workmates slagging me over my "shaving nicks" on a Monday morning. Little do they know that these shaving cuts are due to me getting shot in the face, losing some skin and having blood dripping onto my bdu. Or am I just very unfortunate :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Untamedlemon



    If you haven't shed blood yet while skirmishing, you've been very lucky. I've had to endure workmates slagging me over my "shaving nicks" on a Monday morning. Little do they know that these shaving cuts are due to me getting shot in the face, losing some skin and having blood dripping onto my bdu. Or am I just very unfortunate :D

    I wear full head gear and body gear so you can never see even a single piece of my skin :)..........*correction*.........except when people think its funny to pull the quick release on my ciras vest :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Thank you for answering my question and solving my holiday plans, it looks like I'm heading to the southern hemisphere ;)

    Remember when you are away that most honourable gentleman in Europe (and much of the US) always follow the Code Duello, which funnily enough was drawn up in Clonmel in 1777.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    ironclaw wrote: »
    You do realise LED's are, give or take, a single wavelength as well yes? And the reason for the slow adoption into household lighting is the strong presence of UV in some 'white' LED's and the unknown effects it has on human eye? You do realise some LED's require protective eye wear when in use?
    With any non-laser light (light LEDs, incandescent bulbs etc) if you try bringing all the light to a point then as you attempt to focus it or use a smaller aperture you will get diffraction and the light will spread out again. As a laser light is coherent then you can bring the light to a point (or at least a very small area). This is important as it means all the energy of the beam (from the photons) is dumped into the target area. As area increases with the square of the diameter the size of the target area is key to understanding how risky a light source is. Double the area, and you spread the light over 4 times the area. But there is no way you will bring a non-coherent light source to a point that is only twice the diameter of a laser. 10 times would be doing well. So the energy dumped onto the surface would be at least 1/100th of what a laser at the same level will provide.

    A laser when powered that consumes 5mW, a laser than produces 5mW of heat, a laser that produces 5mW of light (Which is an incorrect measurement, because you'd need to say if that was Lux, Lumens etc and if applicable what area it was being measured on) are all entirely different.
    Nope, as the power rating of the laser is a measure of the energy that the beam itself has, and not what it will draw from the power source - just like we rate airsoft guns based on the energy of the bb leaving the barrel, and not what was put into the piston, or gearbox, or taken from the battery.

    On Lumens, I will quite wikipedia on the difference between radiant flux (total power) and luminous flux (visible light):
    The lumen (symbol: lm) is the SI derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total "amount" of visible light emitted by a source. Luminous flux differs from power (radiant flux) in that luminous flux measurements reflect the varying sensitivity of the human eye to different wavelengths of light, while radiant flux measurements indicate the total power of all light emitted, independent of the eye's ability to perceive it. A lux is one lumen per square meter

    This distinction is important as lasers (particularly those driven by modern diodes) put out energy in more the the spectrum than just the part you see - in particular in IR wavelengths, which may or may not be filtered depending on the quality of the laser you are using.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    sliabh wrote: »
    Nope, as the power rating of the laser is a measure of the energy that the beam itself

    Again I will make the point you cannot just say 'a 5mW laser' is illegal as you must specify if you are measuring the peak or average power two very different things. That was what I was trying to say when I made the different meanings of 5mW in the various aspects of a laser. You can't just say '5mW' The correct way would be '5mW Peak Power' etc.
    Laser Power: The optical power level emitted by the laser in a sensor. The power may be specified as an average power, or as a peak power as well as an average if the sensor emits pulses or intermittent light output. All other factors being equal, the maximum range increase in proportion to the square root of the laser power: If the power is quadrupled, the maximum range will be doubled. Laser power is expressed in milliwatts (mW) or Watts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭Kashkai


    Ok so I appealed this seizure of my green laser (and M4 hand guard torch) on the grounds that there is no apparent law against green lasers either on the statute books or on Revenue's own website. In addition I cited the fact that my own quick search on google threw up at least half a dozen vendors of green lasers based here in Ireland, including some very well known household names!

    I received a response that my case has been passed to the prosecution and anti fraud section in Dublin 15. Now what??? Will my next post be from Mountjoy??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭TheHamster


    Just don't bend down in the showers, we'll have a whip round to get you a file and a cake so you can execute a daring escape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Untamedlemon


    Ok so I appealed this seizure of my green laser (and M4 hand guard torch) on the grounds that there is no apparent law against green lasers either on the statute books or on Revenue's own website. In addition I cited the fact that my own quick search on google threw up at least half a dozen vendors of green lasers based here in Ireland, including some very well known household names!

    I received a response that my case has been passed to the prosecution and anti fraud section in Dublin 15. Now what??? Will my next post be from Mountjoy??

    Anti-fraud....how has this got anything to do with fraud??!!
    They really dont want you to have that laser back


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭guttenberg


    Irish bureaucracy at it's finest! Your door will be knocked down at 5 in the morning and you'll be hauled off in cuffs I'm predicting!! but seriously, forget about it, presumably whomever gets the report will actually look up what was destroyed versus what is actually banned and realise they were in the wrong, if not they'll ring and sort it. If it's wrongly destroyed presumably they have to pay for a replacement?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭Kashkai


    I received a response from Customs to my appeal against their decision to impound my laser and M4 hand guard torch. They stated that the laser or "weapon" as they put it, is prohibited under section 12 of the firearms and offensive weapons act 1990.

    In summary, because I appealed their decision, this initiated legal proceedings by Revenue for "forfeiture and condemnation of the goods in question". They have given me the option of withdrawing my claim (whereby my goods will be destroyed) or contesting their decision in court.

    While I'd love to fight them on this, it would probably end up costing me more in legal fees than what I paid for the goods in the first place. That's if I won of course. The Judge might rule in their favour in which case, I'd be looking at a hefty fine and/or a criminal record against me. Of course Revenue probably know this and expect me to drop this claim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    I seem to remember Blay posting up something on here in the past about a gun-mounted laser being classified as a firearm under Irish legislation, so what they've said there would make sense.

    As you've already concluded; cut your losses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    section 12 of the firearms and offensive weapons act 1990.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0012/sec0012.html#sec12

    My reading of that is because you were modifying a 'weapon' it was seized. Interestingly it appears to make no provision between real steel and Airsoft (As its hopelessly outdated) However as had been discussed here lasers are illegal on real steel (Arn't they?) so hence you had a weapon not an Airsoft gun once you put a laser on it irrespective of its color etc etc


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