Educate together secondary schools

expectationlost

Campaign for Dublin second-level Educate Together school

Nuala Finnegan, Dublin City Second-level Action Group, and Paul Rowe, Educate Together, discuss the campaign for a new multi-denominational school

http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20130123,20143614,20143614,f

the department says there is choice at secondary level but look

The existing designated community college model is one in which the VEC is the sole patron but colleges are “designated” as being of a particular denomination due to the composition of the Board of Management and the provision of other supports. The current community school model involves joint patronage between the VEC and one or more denominational patrons. http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/01/19/00043.asp

i've never seen that said so explicitly that vec patronage is cover for denominational control.

two secondary education schools are supposed to open in 2014 clonburris lucan and lusk i believe

http://www.educatetogether.ie/second-level/2012/04/vec-partnership

http://www.et2ll.info/news/fingal-independent-clarification

but it seems these a partnerships with vec's see some history of that here

Until now, the department has adopted a cautious approach to Educate Together’s demand for recognition as a second-level patron, despite the organisation’s success at primary level. The department appears concerned that a move by Educate Together into second level could damage enrolment at schools run by the VECs.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0320/1224266709625.html

how are those schools progressing now? will allow future secondary schools to totaly run by educate together

expectationlost

im also interested in any statements of support from tds and senators, whether they are just cheering on local educate together projects or have any interesting in working nationally to change the educate system as is their job

kellig

Hi, I thought community colleges run by the VEC were non-denominational? So how can parents find out who's in the patronage?

Dades

Just an FYI, if you've an interest in ET schools there's a forum request here.

In the interest of practicality, don't just +1 if you like the idea of ET schools - instead add your support only if you think you would read or post in such a forum if it were created.

Rev Hellfire

expectationlost wrote: »

have any interesting in working nationally to change the educate system as is their job

What makes you think its their job to change it.

expectationlost

http://www.ivea.ie/news/2010/05/school_patronage.shtml
oh there are 40 designated community colleges... hmm what about the rest?


Clarification-of-patronage-models-for-the-new-second-level.
http://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Information/Establishing-a-New-School/New-Post-Primary-Schools/Clarification-of-patronage-models-for-the-new-second-level.pdf

expectationlost

the educate together spokeperson said there was a vec school nearby but it was vocational and not suitable for her kids... i wonder which one she was talking of?

Morag

Most of the VEC schools have a Christian if not Catholic ethos.

car.kar

Hopefully there will be more ET secondary schools by the time I have kids.

sennis

Education Together are looking for parents to complete their expressions of interest in ET second level schools to support their submissions for patronage in the following areas:

Balbriggan (Dublin, 2016)
Ballinteer (Dublin, 2016)
Tallaght (Dublin, 2016)
Carrigaline (Cork 2016)
Midleton/Carrigtwohill (Cork, 2016)
Celbridge (Kildare, 2015)
North Wicklow (Wicklow, 2016)

As a parent with a child in the new ET primary in Ballinteer I cannot speak more highly of the incredible work that the school has done for my son in his junior infant year. I would dearly love ET to get the patronage for the Ballinteer second level school (to open in 2016) to enable both my children to benefit from a continued child-centre and innovative learning experience into secondary The deadline for the application is July 12th so the greater the number of expressions of interest the better! Here's the link to the form....

http://www.educatetogether.ie/ballinteer-2016

Tipsygypsy

Hi all,

Just to add to the above, we have an active campaign in Galway for a second level ET. If you want more information or to fill in an expression on interest form you can go to www.get2ls.org or find us on facebook/twitter @GET2LS.

Sadly the Department have not yet made any announcement of any new second levels for Galway, but we are gaining strength, have over 700 expression of Interests thus far and whenever the Department do announce the next second level for Galway we hope to be in a very strong position.

Any and all support greatly appreciated, and help in spreading the word appreciated also :-)

Best of luck to all the other areas working towards 2nd level ET's, you have our full support and best wishes :-)

jaja321

sennis wrote: »

Education Together are looking for parents to complete their expressions of interest in ET second level schools to support their submissions for patronage in the following areas:

Balbriggan (Dublin, 2016)
Ballinteer (Dublin, 2016)
Tallaght (Dublin, 2016)
Carrigaline (Cork 2016)
Midleton/Carrigtwohill (Cork, 2016)
Celbridge (Kildare, 2015)
North Wicklow (Wicklow, 2016)

As a parent with a child in the new ET primary in Ballinteer I cannot speak more highly of the incredible work that the school has done for my son in his junior infant year. I would dearly love ET to get the patronage for the Ballinteer second level school (to open in 2016) to enable both my children to benefit from a continued child-centre and innovative learning experience into secondary The deadline for the application is July 12th so the greater the number of expressions of interest the better! Here's the link to the form....

http://www.educatetogether.ie/ballinteer-2016

They are amazing - I've been doing a lot of work with a particular ET primary school over the past year and I'm so impressed by what they do. Its also beautiful to see so many kids from so many different backgrounds learning and growing up together.

spurious

expectationlost wrote: »

the educate together spokeperson said there was a vec school nearby but it was vocational and not suitable for her kids... i wonder which one she was talking of?

What an odd thing to say.

Did she mean it was for those who were 'good with their hands'?

Morag

The majority of VEC schools still have a catholic ethos.
The one my kids are in may as well be a RC church patroned school.:mad:

J.P.M

Morag wrote: »

The majority of VEC schools still have a catholic ethos.
The one my kids are in may as well be a RC church patroned school.:mad:

So what is the problem?

Sofiztikated

J.P.M wrote: »

So what is the problem?

Get back under your bridge.

No ET schools around here.

J.P.M

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Get back under your bridge.

No ET schools around here.

yeah right

Sofiztikated

J.P.M wrote: »

yeah right

Yeah right what?

legspin

Announced this morning.

http://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2013-Press-Releases/PR2013-11-28.html

Four solely run by ET, one in conjunction with a VEC.

Personally delighted with the one for Balbriggan. All bar my eldest will probably go there now.

Tipsygypsy

Delighted for Educate Together and for all the areas announced this morning, and more than a little jealous, hopefully Galway will get one whenever the next round of Second levels are announced. But massive well done to all the start-up groups involved, I'm well aware of the TROJAN work that goes on behind the scenes in these campaigns.

Hotblack Desiato

We have too many religious schools, yet more are being set up :rolleyes:

What the majority of parents want, or supposedly want (most haven't been asked) doesn't matter. We have an education system that does not treat minorities fairly.

Zamboni

legspin wrote: »

Announced this morning.

http://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2013-Press-Releases/PR2013-11-28.html

Four solely run by ET, one in conjunction with a VEC.

Personally delighted with the one for Balbriggan. All bar my eldest will probably go there now.

Unbelievably good news.

A HUGE congratulations is due to all the parents, ET board, politicians and volunteers who campaigned for this.

Seriously - a huge statue is in order for Ruairí Quinn - Hero.

Bannasidhe

Bad new for East Cork - the Bishop of Cloyne saw fit to petition for the next secondary school in East Cork to have Catholic patronage - and won.

Petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/minister-ruairi-quinn-to-address-the-real-needs-of-the-children-and-parents-of-east-cork-by-making-provision-for-a-diverse-inclusive-second-level-educational-option-in-the-midleton-area-as-a-matter-of-urgency?share_id=bTECutdxuJ&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

jj10000

I agree - great news for all those areas who campaigned for Educate Together! But a second-level ET school is badly needed for the Dublin city area. The city is dominated by single sex, Catholic-run schools, which just don't offer what a significant number of parents want. If you are interested in having a choice for Dublin city have a look at the campaign website at http://www.et2ldublin.org/ and if you have kids sign an expression of interest form on the website.
More info at http://www.facebook.com/groups/educatetogethersecondary
Or twitter https://twitter.com/ETSecondaryDubl

Hotblack Desiato

Zamboni wrote: »

Seriously - a huge statue is in order for Ruairí Quinn - Hero.

He's not a hero and I don't think he really 'gets it'. It should not be acceptable in the 21st century to set up yet more state-funded schools which discriminate on the grounds of religion. He is doing the absolute bare minimum needed to pay lip service to the issue. It's better than before, but still very far from acceptable.

A few new schools here and there are nothing more than a sop, what is needed is wholesale change to force inclusivity and tolerance on the existing schools.

Zamboni

ninja900 wrote: »

He's not a hero and I don't think he really 'gets it'. It should not be acceptable in the 21st century to set up yet more state-funded schools which discriminate on the grounds of religion. He is doing the absolute bare minimum needed to pay lip service to the issue. It's better than before, but still very far from acceptable.

A few new schools here and there are nothing more than a sop, what is needed is wholesale change to force inclusivity and tolerance on the existing schools.

He has this one last term of office to get as much done as he can.
It is possible you may not see another minister for education who happens to be atheist, in your lifetime.

Nobody in the stale civil service of the DOE, the religious organisations or the populist Christian Fine Gael party will support "wholesale change".
It simply won't happen.
He is doing what he can, with what he has.
If anything, I am surprised at what he managed to push through without much uproar.

expectationlost

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Bad new for East Cork - the Bishop of Cloyne saw fit to petition for the next secondary school in East Cork to have Catholic patronage - and won.

Petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/minister-ruairi-quinn-to-address-the-real-needs-of-the-children-and-parents-of-east-cork-by-making-provision-for-a-diverse-inclusive-second-level-educational-option-in-the-midleton-area-as-a-matter-of-urgency?share_id=bTECutdxuJ&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

i thought they'd okayed two schools instead of just one http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/two-new-secondary-schools-for-carrigaline-250908.html ( one for each type of child )